Well, I'm not interested in the 5c whatsoever, nor anyone I know. For only 100euros more (since Apple's dollar is worth one euro, for some reason), I can get a 5s. Why would I get the lower end?
I do feel Apple should have not done the 5s in the two lower prices. It should only be the most expensive one, for lower prices get the 5c. Then again, Apple's in charge and they should know better than I, right.
I also think the 4S may be discontinued early next year - not end of year. With an 8G entry model which will sell like hot cakes at that price. Maybe the other model ranges will drop by $50. In any case there is probably no need now - cheap 5C would meet as much supply constraint as the 5S which would generate its own bad publicity.
I also think the 4S may be discontinued early next year - not end of year. With an 8G entry model which will sell like hot cakes at that price. Maybe the other model ranges will drop by $50. In any case there is probably no need now - cheap 5C would meet as much supply constraint as the 5S which would generate its own bad publicity.
I don't see people wanting an 8GB entry model... As I said, I don't think the price of the 5C is wrong, I think the 5S should not have the 16GB version at all, or even the 32.
(...) it is so much more beautiful and functional than previous iOS'.
I am agnostic, but about 4 people out of 5 around me hate the looks.
Functional is one thing, but looks is essential to some people who buy Apple (many girls and artists around me). "Playskool", "kid", "it looked more pro before", "why does it look like crap", "my beautiful icons have changed and now I have those ugly ones, can you fix it please?" (last one is I expect the worst, the user in question having no clue what happened and that she's asking for the impossible here... I upgraded her phone for her by the way, makes for a complicated explanation that despite the looks, her iPhone 5 is much better now)
Yes, that's the point. It's the identical price to what "last year's" flagship has always been. Except ... it's a cheaper plastic version brought to you at no saving whatsoever.
I'm not having a go the phone itself (I really liked my plastic 3GS). Just the price.
To be fair, it does have a slightly better camera and better LTE support. It's probably selling about as well as "last year's flagship" did, but Apple and resellers hoped it would do a bit better. It could be the same scenario that played out with the rMBP. Apple lowered the price of that device back in January. They can easily do that with the 5c.
My guess is that it isn't so much the similarity to the 5 as it is the contrast to the 5s. It really makes it that much clearer how much more you get for $100 more (Touch ID, A7, better camera, fancier design). Since the 5 "looks like" the 5s, the contrast might not have been as clear.
I don't see people wanting an 8GB entry model... As I said, I don't think the price of the 5C is wrong, I think the 5S should not have the 16GB version at all, or even the 32.
The 16GB version is fine for a lot of people. The 32GB version is plenty for me.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
I am agnostic, but about 4 people out of 5 around me hate the looks.
Functional is one thing, but looks is essential to some people who buy Apple (many girls and artists around me). "Playskool", "kid", "it looked more pro before", "why does it look like crap", "my beautiful icons have changed and now I have those ugly ones, can you fix it please?" (last one is I expect the worst, the user in question having no clue what happened and that she's asking for the impossible here... I upgraded her phone for her by the way, makes for a complicated explanation that despite the looks, her iPhone 5 is much better now)
I think it's a function of being "different" after 6 years of largely the same look. After 2 weeks of using iOS 7 it looks perfectly normal to me. Plus the UI updates were long overdue (the control center, updates to notifications, etc) as Android and even Windows Phone have had similar functionality for a while now.
The 16GB version is fine for a lot of people. The 32GB version is plenty for me.
I think it's a function of being "different" after 6 years of largely the same look. After 2 weeks of using iOS 7 it looks perfectly normal to me. Plus the UI updates were long overdue (the control center, updates to notifications, etc) as Android and even Windows Phone have had similar functionality for a while now.
I agree that it is fine for a lot of people, I'm talking marketing here. If you sell a good phone at its price at 600 and a better phone at only 700, people will get the better phone.
If you sell a good phone at 600 and a much better phone at 800, people will think twice. Do they need more features and more space? Should they go for the 5C?
For the looks/features: as I said, people complain about the looks, the features are pretty welcome... but the looks aren't. Might be as you say "getting used to it".
I find it interesting that Apple continues to heavily push the 5c on their web site. For the last three weeks when you visit their home page you get the 5c in your face. If you pause you will see the 5s but I would have thought they would want to promote their top of the range phone first.
This is why the 5c is so different than the 4s when the 4s was in the mid-tier spot last year... the marketing. This is also the reason I believe that Apple had the 5c positioned as a volume seller. It was never meant to sell like previous phones in this position. It was built as a phone to increase volume.
I agree that it is fine for a lot of people, I'm talking marketing here. If you sell a good phone at its price at 600 and a better phone at only 700, people will get the better phone.
That's true in much of the world. In the U.S. with a major carrier, it's $100 vs $200 - which is enough to make the cheaper one relatively more attractive than if you had to pay the full price.
I understand all about subsidies, but that's a red herring. If you're like most Americans, you pay the same amount per month whether you get a new phone every 2 years or not, so you might as well do it - so the effective cost is $100 or $200 (or nothing if you get a 4S).
9 million phones in 3 days. Happy now? I don't care what the split is between C and S. Bottom line is the combined effort blew away the 5 sales by 80%.
If the C is causing people to buy the S then mission accomplished.
tell me whats wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days.
so now you know better than Apple. Get off your island and start your own smartphone company if you think you are so smart. I don't know why you are so bitter about the 5C. It was Wall Street alone that feed you the dream that a $400 iPhone was coming.
With Apple you either get it or you don't. PERIOD. Hundreds of millions of people get it and are willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. People like you will NEVER get it. Stop being a cheapskate and pay the $550 or just get a $99 Android for crying out loud.
... and, as usual, you are changing the subject. I guess I have to remind you what the original poster said:
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Originally Posted by 512ke
The 5C is selling like hotcakes compared to every other smartphone in the market except one, the 5S.
Look at web traffic and activations.
Sorry to those who are rooting for Apple to fail.
So very very sorry.
Show me the stats. I'm not here to prove or disprove the 5c selling better or worse than anything else. I'm actually interested to see the stats if they are available. I'd like to know how the competition stacks up against the 5c.
tell me whats wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days.
so now you know better than Apple. Get off your island and start your own smartphone company if you think you are so smart. I don't know why you are so bitter about the 5C. It was Wall Street alone that feed you the dream that a $400 iPhone was coming.
With Apple you either get it or you don't. PERIOD. Hundreds of millions of people get it and are willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. People like you will NEVER get it. Stop being a cheapskate and pay the $550 or just get a $99 Android for crying out loud.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days. I believe they did, and that of course includes all sales to channels. However, it DOES NOT mean that all of those 9 million phones were sold to consumers. But, why do you think Apple's stock hasn't soared since the launch with those fabulous numbers?
There's a lot of doubt in the investment community about how many of the 9 million were 5C models and how many didn't actually sell during that weekend. The 5S seems to be doing very well, but there's a lingering doubt (and and increasing amount of evidence) that the 5C is not doing well. Specifically there have been reports out of Australia and China that the 5C isn't selling well and the ONLINE STATS that you referred to earlier (but could not produce) indicate that the 5C is being activated at about a 1 to 3 ratio versus the 5S.
Best Buy offering a discount a mere two weeks after launching is another indicator.
If you're so sure of yourself, go buy some Apple shares, because there's a discount being built into the price because of this doubt. If on the other hand you're wrong, and the 5C is selling poorly and the 5S sales are not making up for it, be prepared to take a hair cut!
So Matt Drudge decides to put the Best Buy 5C promotion on the front page of the drudge report under the misleading headline 'iPhone 5C price cut in half' - no reference to Best Buy. Anything for clicks I guess. :rolleyes:
OT: the Leica camera that Jony Ive and Marc Newson designed for the Product(RED) auction has been leaked. Now if only I was wealthy and could bid on it. Sigh.
Does anybody know ... Is there a 5c you can buy off contract from any carrier that does NOT require a data plan?
I want to buy a 5c for my mother but only to use as a phone and camera, with Siri (for making calls), and to sync with her Mac. I know AT&T requires a data plan, but that is an unnecessary expense.
How is it too late to backtrack on the price? They could silently drop the 4s and put the base 5c in the "free"/$450 slot if they want to. They probably won't do this so quickly after launch, but they might in January or March. Apple's done this before. Heck, they dropped the price of the original iPhone by 1/3 just 74 days after release. Most recently, they dropped the prices of the rMBP line in January 2013, just 4 months after releasing the 13" model.
Oddly, if the analyst data on activations is remotely correct, the 5c is doing better in the US and UK than in emerging markets. My guess is what's happening is that the 5c is selling in similar numbers to what the 4s did last year, or what the 5 would have if Apple had stayed true to form and just made it the "mid-range" phone. Apple probably hoped repackaging it and introducing it as a "new" model might spur some growth, but that doesn't seem to be happening. $100 probably isn't a big enough price different. But maybe $150 would be.
If Apple dropped the price before September 2014, they would be admitting they made a mistake. That's something Apple never does.
The most I expect is an entry level 8GB model released for $450 some time after the holidays. The 16GB and 32GB will remain the same price until the next iPhone is released.
I am agnostic, but about 4 people out of 5 around me hate the looks.
Functional is one thing, but looks is essential to some people who buy Apple (many girls and artists around me). "Playskool", "kid", "it looked more pro before", "why does it look like crap", "my beautiful icons have changed and now I have those ugly ones, can you fix it please?" (last one is I expect the worst, the user in question having no clue what happened and that she's asking for the impossible here... I upgraded her phone for her by the way, makes for a complicated explanation that despite the looks, her iPhone 5 is much better now)
The 5C is selling like hotcakes compared to every other smartphone in the market except one, the 5S.
Look at web traffic and activations.
Sorry to those who are rooting for Apple to fail.
So very very sorry.</div>
Show me the stats. I'm not here to prove or disprove the 5c selling better or worse than anything else. I'm actually interested to see the stats if they are available. I'd like to know how the competition stacks up against the 5c.
So your saying all 9 MM sold on the first weekend were 5S's? If not, what percentage were 5C's? 20%, 30%? So that's still 2-3 MM in one weekend. Compare to most Androids, that's fantastic.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days. I believe they did, and that of course includes all sales to channels. However, it DOES NOT mean that all of those 9 million phones were sold to consumers. But, why do you think Apple's stock hasn't soared since the launch with those fabulous numbers?
Really? How much do you think Apple shipped to its partners on opening weekend and how much did it keep for its own sales? If Apple kept a simple majority of iPhones, it wouldn't count as sales until it was shipped/sold to the end user.
WS was disappointed with 9 MM sales over the weekend. Eff WS.
So your saying all 9 MM sold on the first weekend were 5S's? If not, what percentage were 5C's? 20%, 30%? So that's still 2-3 MM in one weekend. Compare to most Androids, that's fantastic.
Either you are really really stupid or you know damn well that is not what I am saying.
I just want to see the stats that the poster mentioned.
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I do feel Apple should have not done the 5s in the two lower prices. It should only be the most expensive one, for lower prices get the 5c. Then again, Apple's in charge and they should know better than I, right.
I also think the 4S may be discontinued early next year - not end of year. With an 8G entry model which will sell like hot cakes at that price. Maybe the other model ranges will drop by $50. In any case there is probably no need now - cheap 5C would meet as much supply constraint as the 5S which would generate its own bad publicity.
I don't see people wanting an 8GB entry model... As I said, I don't think the price of the 5C is wrong, I think the 5S should not have the 16GB version at all, or even the 32.
I LOVE iOS 7 honestly.
(...) it is so much more beautiful and functional than previous iOS'.
I am agnostic, but about 4 people out of 5 around me hate the looks.
Functional is one thing, but looks is essential to some people who buy Apple (many girls and artists around me). "Playskool", "kid", "it looked more pro before", "why does it look like crap", "my beautiful icons have changed and now I have those ugly ones, can you fix it please?" (last one is I expect the worst, the user in question having no clue what happened and that she's asking for the impossible here... I upgraded her phone for her by the way, makes for a complicated explanation that despite the looks, her iPhone 5 is much better now)
Yes, that's the point. It's the identical price to what "last year's" flagship has always been. Except ... it's a cheaper plastic version brought to you at no saving whatsoever.
I'm not having a go the phone itself (I really liked my plastic 3GS). Just the price.
To be fair, it does have a slightly better camera and better LTE support. It's probably selling about as well as "last year's flagship" did, but Apple and resellers hoped it would do a bit better. It could be the same scenario that played out with the rMBP. Apple lowered the price of that device back in January. They can easily do that with the 5c.
My guess is that it isn't so much the similarity to the 5 as it is the contrast to the 5s. It really makes it that much clearer how much more you get for $100 more (Touch ID, A7, better camera, fancier design). Since the 5 "looks like" the 5s, the contrast might not have been as clear.
I don't see people wanting an 8GB entry model... As I said, I don't think the price of the 5C is wrong, I think the 5S should not have the 16GB version at all, or even the 32.
The 16GB version is fine for a lot of people. The 32GB version is plenty for me.
I am agnostic, but about 4 people out of 5 around me hate the looks.
Functional is one thing, but looks is essential to some people who buy Apple (many girls and artists around me). "Playskool", "kid", "it looked more pro before", "why does it look like crap", "my beautiful icons have changed and now I have those ugly ones, can you fix it please?" (last one is I expect the worst, the user in question having no clue what happened and that she's asking for the impossible here... I upgraded her phone for her by the way, makes for a complicated explanation that despite the looks, her iPhone 5 is much better now)
I think it's a function of being "different" after 6 years of largely the same look. After 2 weeks of using iOS 7 it looks perfectly normal to me. Plus the UI updates were long overdue (the control center, updates to notifications, etc) as Android and even Windows Phone have had similar functionality for a while now.
The 16GB version is fine for a lot of people. The 32GB version is plenty for me.
I think it's a function of being "different" after 6 years of largely the same look. After 2 weeks of using iOS 7 it looks perfectly normal to me. Plus the UI updates were long overdue (the control center, updates to notifications, etc) as Android and even Windows Phone have had similar functionality for a while now.
I agree that it is fine for a lot of people, I'm talking marketing here. If you sell a good phone at its price at 600 and a better phone at only 700, people will get the better phone.
If you sell a good phone at 600 and a much better phone at 800, people will think twice. Do they need more features and more space? Should they go for the 5C?
For the looks/features: as I said, people complain about the looks, the features are pretty welcome... but the looks aren't. Might be as you say "getting used to it".
I find it interesting that Apple continues to heavily push the 5c on their web site. For the last three weeks when you visit their home page you get the 5c in your face. If you pause you will see the 5s but I would have thought they would want to promote their top of the range phone first.
This is why the 5c is so different than the 4s when the 4s was in the mid-tier spot last year... the marketing. This is also the reason I believe that Apple had the 5c positioned as a volume seller. It was never meant to sell like previous phones in this position. It was built as a phone to increase volume.
That's true in much of the world. In the U.S. with a major carrier, it's $100 vs $200 - which is enough to make the cheaper one relatively more attractive than if you had to pay the full price.
I understand all about subsidies, but that's a red herring. If you're like most Americans, you pay the same amount per month whether you get a new phone every 2 years or not, so you might as well do it - so the effective cost is $100 or $200 (or nothing if you get a 4S).
9 million phones in 3 days. Happy now? I don't care what the split is between C and S. Bottom line is the combined effort blew away the 5 sales by 80%.
If the C is causing people to buy the S then mission accomplished.
So, as usual, you got nothing.
tell me whats wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days.
so now you know better than Apple. Get off your island and start your own smartphone company if you think you are so smart. I don't know why you are so bitter about the 5C. It was Wall Street alone that feed you the dream that a $400 iPhone was coming.
With Apple you either get it or you don't. PERIOD. Hundreds of millions of people get it and are willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. People like you will NEVER get it. Stop being a cheapskate and pay the $550 or just get a $99 Android for crying out loud.
... and, as usual, you are changing the subject. I guess I have to remind you what the original poster said:
Quote:
The 5C is selling like hotcakes compared to every other smartphone in the market except one, the 5S.
Look at web traffic and activations.
Sorry to those who are rooting for Apple to fail.
So very very sorry.
Show me the stats. I'm not here to prove or disprove the 5c selling better or worse than anything else. I'm actually interested to see the stats if they are available. I'd like to know how the competition stacks up against the 5c.
tell me whats wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days.
so now you know better than Apple. Get off your island and start your own smartphone company if you think you are so smart. I don't know why you are so bitter about the 5C. It was Wall Street alone that feed you the dream that a $400 iPhone was coming.
With Apple you either get it or you don't. PERIOD. Hundreds of millions of people get it and are willing to pay a premium price for a premium product. People like you will NEVER get it. Stop being a cheapskate and pay the $550 or just get a $99 Android for crying out loud.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with selling 9 million phones in 3 days. I believe they did, and that of course includes all sales to channels. However, it DOES NOT mean that all of those 9 million phones were sold to consumers. But, why do you think Apple's stock hasn't soared since the launch with those fabulous numbers?
There's a lot of doubt in the investment community about how many of the 9 million were 5C models and how many didn't actually sell during that weekend. The 5S seems to be doing very well, but there's a lingering doubt (and and increasing amount of evidence) that the 5C is not doing well. Specifically there have been reports out of Australia and China that the 5C isn't selling well and the ONLINE STATS that you referred to earlier (but could not produce) indicate that the 5C is being activated at about a 1 to 3 ratio versus the 5S.
Best Buy offering a discount a mere two weeks after launching is another indicator.
If you're so sure of yourself, go buy some Apple shares, because there's a discount being built into the price because of this doubt. If on the other hand you're wrong, and the 5C is selling poorly and the 5S sales are not making up for it, be prepared to take a hair cut!
OT: the Leica camera that Jony Ive and Marc Newson designed for the Product(RED) auction has been leaked. Now if only I was wealthy and could bid on it. Sigh.
I want to buy a 5c for my mother but only to use as a phone and camera, with Siri (for making calls), and to sync with her Mac. I know AT&T requires a data plan, but that is an unnecessary expense.
How is it too late to backtrack on the price? They could silently drop the 4s and put the base 5c in the "free"/$450 slot if they want to. They probably won't do this so quickly after launch, but they might in January or March. Apple's done this before. Heck, they dropped the price of the original iPhone by 1/3 just 74 days after release. Most recently, they dropped the prices of the rMBP line in January 2013, just 4 months after releasing the 13" model.
Oddly, if the analyst data on activations is remotely correct, the 5c is doing better in the US and UK than in emerging markets. My guess is what's happening is that the 5c is selling in similar numbers to what the 4s did last year, or what the 5 would have if Apple had stayed true to form and just made it the "mid-range" phone. Apple probably hoped repackaging it and introducing it as a "new" model might spur some growth, but that doesn't seem to be happening. $100 probably isn't a big enough price different. But maybe $150 would be.
If Apple dropped the price before September 2014, they would be admitting they made a mistake. That's something Apple never does.
The most I expect is an entry level 8GB model released for $450 some time after the holidays. The 16GB and 32GB will remain the same price until the next iPhone is released.
I am agnostic, but about 4 people out of 5 around me hate the looks.
Functional is one thing, but looks is essential to some people who buy Apple (many girls and artists around me). "Playskool", "kid", "it looked more pro before", "why does it look like crap", "my beautiful icons have changed and now I have those ugly ones, can you fix it please?" (last one is I expect the worst, the user in question having no clue what happened and that she's asking for the impossible here... I upgraded her phone for her by the way, makes for a complicated explanation that despite the looks, her iPhone 5 is much better now)
That's subject.
4 people out of 5 around me love it.
That's subject.
4 people out of 5 around me love it.
Someone else said that and then basically went on to say they were going to buy the 5s. Loving it doesn't necessarily mean buying it.
So your saying all 9 MM sold on the first weekend were 5S's? If not, what percentage were 5C's? 20%, 30%? So that's still 2-3 MM in one weekend. Compare to most Androids, that's fantastic.
Really? How much do you think Apple shipped to its partners on opening weekend and how much did it keep for its own sales? If Apple kept a simple majority of iPhones, it wouldn't count as sales until it was shipped/sold to the end user.
WS was disappointed with 9 MM sales over the weekend. Eff WS.
So your saying all 9 MM sold on the first weekend were 5S's? If not, what percentage were 5C's? 20%, 30%? So that's still 2-3 MM in one weekend. Compare to most Androids, that's fantastic.
Either you are really really stupid or you know damn well that is not what I am saying.
I just want to see the stats that the poster mentioned.