Also, the prettier the computer, the more powerful it looks. From the pic above, compare the Dell to the generic cases at the bottom. Notice how much more significant and professional the Dell looks in comparison? If Apple makes something that looks sexy, people will associate it with that. They'll basically ride SGI's coattails as "Good looking servers are made by good companies"</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those generic cases at the bottom are APC's...not servers ;-)
Besides, you'd be amazed at how impressed clients are when we show them our server room!
I am looking at new servers right now for the next year and the LAST thing I look at is what the server looks like. There are things that are MUCH, MUCH more important. I hate to say it, but when I'm spending $60,000+ per rack I am VERY concerned about uptime, ease of acessability and ease of maintinance while the servers are still up and running.
Bottom line...I care about uptime...as do my clients! For all I care the servers could be pink...well, maybe I'd draw the line there
<strong>Also, the prettier the computer, the more powerful it looks. From the pic above, compare the Dell to the generic cases at the bottom. Notice how much more significant and professional the Dell looks in comparison? </strong><hr></blockquote>
The "Generic" cases are in fact APC back-up[ power supplies (UPS) not computers at all. Nobody care what the UPS in the server room looks like.
<strong>Ok, so they're UPS's. Sorry. I have seen a number of rackmount cases that look like that anyway.
Still, my question is, if it's bad, why does SGI do it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not that it is bad...I just won't spend an extra $50.00 to have a server that looks nicer. Servers are function over form (with the exception of size).
The "Generic" cases are in fact APC back-up[ power supplies (UPS) not computers at all. Nobody care what the UPS in the server room looks like.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless you have a Summetra unit Then you have oooohhhhhhh factor!
It's not that it is bad...I just won't spend an extra $50.00 to have a server that looks nicer. Servers are function over form (with the exception of size).</strong><hr></blockquote>
if 50 bucks is the deciding factor in the servers you by then you must really have problems
if 50 bucks is the deciding factor in the servers you by then you must really have problems</strong><hr></blockquote>
You missed the whole point...but that's ok.
I could say: "If you spend 50 bucks just to have a nicer looking server than you must really have problems"...however, I'll give a dignified response!
If one of my guys came to me and said they wanted to get 20 servers that were $50.00 more than another and would get me no performance boost, than I'd rather have that $1000.00 in my pocket...
It's simple economics...that's something you learn when you own a company and it's your money that you're spending!
I could say: "If you spend 50 bucks just to have a nicer looking server than you must really have problems"...however, I'll give a dignified response!
If one of my guys came to me and said they wanted to get 20 servers that were $50.00 more than another and would get me no performance boost, than I'd rather have that $1000.00 in my pocket...
It's simple economics...that's something you learn when you own a company and it's your money that you're spending!</strong><hr></blockquote>
nevermind, your comprehension skills must have gotten lost when you gained those "simple economics" skills
Lets think of it from another angle, what if that $50 gets you something other than design. It gets you more efficiency. Lets say you run a server farm and your Intel/AMD boxes with dual CPUs are consuming 450W of power. In the same space you can have a Mac consuming 300W of power with the same computing power. If by any chance you are looking at the long term (2+years) that equates to much more power consumption and in turn heat as well, therefore more A/C especially if you are running this in a dedicated server room and well you can get my idea on economics. You might save that $50 now but will that $50 stay in your pocket? Just another point of view.
<strong>Lets think of it from another angle, what if that $50 gets you something other than design. It gets you more efficiency. Lets say you run a server farm and your Intel/AMD boxes with dual CPUs are consuming 450W of power. In the same space you can have a Mac consuming 300W of power with the same computing power. If by any chance you are looking at the long term (2+years) that equates to much more power consumption and in turn heat as well, therefore more A/C especially if you are running this in a dedicated server room and well you can get my idea on economics. You might save that $50 now but will that $50 stay in your pocket? Just another point of view.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed! Nearly all of our servers even have redundant power supplies...or even three because of the number of HD's.
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Also, the prettier the computer, the more powerful it looks. From the pic above, compare the Dell to the generic cases at the bottom. Notice how much more significant and professional the Dell looks in comparison? If Apple makes something that looks sexy, people will associate it with that. They'll basically ride SGI's coattails as "Good looking servers are made by good companies"</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those generic cases at the bottom are APC's...not servers ;-)
Besides, you'd be amazed at how impressed clients are when we show them our server room!
I am looking at new servers right now for the next year and the LAST thing I look at is what the server looks like. There are things that are MUCH, MUCH more important. I hate to say it, but when I'm spending $60,000+ per rack I am VERY concerned about uptime, ease of acessability and ease of maintinance while the servers are still up and running.
Bottom line...I care about uptime...as do my clients! For all I care the servers could be pink...well, maybe I'd draw the line there
I was told that everything that's bigger than 1U is definitely not going to draw attention from the pros, as it doesn't offer anything others cant.
Thus the success of the blade rackmounts: much power in little space.
G_News
<strong>Also, the prettier the computer, the more powerful it looks. From the pic above, compare the Dell to the generic cases at the bottom. Notice how much more significant and professional the Dell looks in comparison? </strong><hr></blockquote>
The "Generic" cases are in fact APC back-up[ power supplies (UPS) not computers at all. Nobody care what the UPS in the server room looks like.
Still, my question is, if it's bad, why does SGI do it?
<strong>Ok, so they're UPS's. Sorry. I have seen a number of rackmount cases that look like that anyway.
Still, my question is, if it's bad, why does SGI do it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not that it is bad...I just won't spend an extra $50.00 to have a server that looks nicer. Servers are function over form (with the exception of size).
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The "Generic" cases are in fact APC back-up[ power supplies (UPS) not computers at all. Nobody care what the UPS in the server room looks like.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unless you have a Summetra unit
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It's not that it is bad...I just won't spend an extra $50.00 to have a server that looks nicer. Servers are function over form (with the exception of size).</strong><hr></blockquote>
if 50 bucks is the deciding factor in the servers you by then you must really have problems
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if 50 bucks is the deciding factor in the servers you by then you must really have problems</strong><hr></blockquote>
You missed the whole point...but that's ok.
I could say: "If you spend 50 bucks just to have a nicer looking server than you must really have problems"...however, I'll give a dignified response!
If one of my guys came to me and said they wanted to get 20 servers that were $50.00 more than another and would get me no performance boost, than I'd rather have that $1000.00 in my pocket...
It's simple economics...that's something you learn when you own a company and it's your money that you're spending!
Does anyone think something else will be shown as well?
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You missed the whole point...but that's ok.
I could say: "If you spend 50 bucks just to have a nicer looking server than you must really have problems"...however, I'll give a dignified response!
If one of my guys came to me and said they wanted to get 20 servers that were $50.00 more than another and would get me no performance boost, than I'd rather have that $1000.00 in my pocket...
It's simple economics...that's something you learn when you own a company and it's your money that you're spending!</strong><hr></blockquote>
nevermind, your comprehension skills must have gotten lost when you gained those "simple economics" skills
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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nevermind, your comprehension skills must have gotten lost when you gained those "simple economics" skills
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
You're obviously a teenager...
When you're running your own company and you're responsible for other families salaries come and see me. Maybe then we can talk on the same level.
<strong>Lets think of it from another angle, what if that $50 gets you something other than design. It gets you more efficiency. Lets say you run a server farm and your Intel/AMD boxes with dual CPUs are consuming 450W of power. In the same space you can have a Mac consuming 300W of power with the same computing power. If by any chance you are looking at the long term (2+years) that equates to much more power consumption and in turn heat as well, therefore more A/C especially if you are running this in a dedicated server room and well you can get my idea on economics. You might save that $50 now but will that $50 stay in your pocket? Just another point of view.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed! Nearly all of our servers even have redundant power supplies...or even three because of the number of HD's.
not to mention lower air conditioning costs because they don't run as hot...
but meh, whatever
EDIT: uh yeah, what Power of X said.
(i should really start reading through the whole thread before i reply.... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> )
[ 05-13-2002: Message edited by: gumby5647 ]</p>
Rackmount! Huh? HUH?
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Rackmount! Huh? HUH?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Can I order online
Looks closer to a 2U to me.
Inquiring minds want to know.
[ 05-13-2002: Message edited by: Cobra ]</p>