Strong demand of Apple's iPhone 5 series driving an "anti-fragmentation" of iOS

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  • Reply 21 of 63
    enzosenzos Posts: 344member

    Android: hmm… I've heard people (smart people, uni students even) saying how much better it is than iOS but can't seem to use the maps, or find the calculator, or the camera, (oops!) … And how much better it is to have replaceable batteries (that not one of them has actually changed), SD card expansion (that not one of them had used), a stronger flash (that gives shittier pictures), a bigger screen (that requires two hands to use).

     

    Why Apple fans worry about the little green toy-robot I do not know. The execrable (effing horrendous!) Galaxy Gear is what we get if Apple doesn't provide a blue-print a year or two in advance.  Samscum will sink under the weight of its photocopiers. And Google may be genius at search (Bing is for cretins, sorry!) but is clueless at hardware (and ethics and honesty and discretion and respect for privacy). 

     

    Enz

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  • Reply 22 of 63
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    Originally Posted by enzos View Post

     

    Android: hmm… I've heard people (smart people, uni students even) saying how much better it is than iOS but can't seem to use the maps, or find the calculator, or the camera, (oops!) … And how much better it is to have replaceable batteries (that not one of them has actually changed), SD card expansion (that not one of them had used), a stronger flash (that gives shittier pictures), a bigger screen (that requires two hands to use).

     

    Why Apple fans worry about the little green toy-robot I do not know. The execrable (effing horrendous!) Galaxy Gear is what we get if Apple doesn't provide a blue-print a year or two in advance.  Samscum will sink under the weight of its photocopiers. And Google may be genius at search (Bing is for cretins, sorry!) but is clueless at hardware (and ethics and honesty and discretion and respect for privacy). 

     

    Enz


    Apple would ignore Android at its peril. I'm not a huge fan of Android, but it has some significant advantages over software, and their hardware is undeniably more advanced. They're also cheaper, which is why they are dominating in most of the world over Apple. You also seem to be ignoring all the good things that Google has done, such as the Google Maps and Earth projects, or big data or epidemic tracking or countless other initiatives that are for the good of all humankind. 

     

    What did Steve Jobs do, exactly? Create a better phone and refuse to give any money to charity. Way to go. Contrast him to Bill Gates in this sense. 

     

    If you don't like Android, fine. But to underestimate your enemy is the first step toward defeat. Of course, Apple is already well on its way to defeat, so this mistake has long been made. The question is whether its too late to stop the tide. 

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  • Reply 23 of 63
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,301member
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    Originally Posted by ScienceBoy View Post

     

    Apple would ignore Android at its peril. I'm not a huge fan of Android, but it has some significant advantages over software, and their hardware is undeniably more advanced. They're also cheaper, which is why they are dominating in most of the world over Apple. You also seem to be ignoring all the good things that Google has done, such as the Google Maps and Earth projects, or big data or epidemic tracking or countless other initiatives that are for the good of all humankind. 

     

    What did Steve Jobs do, exactly? Create a better phone and refuse to give any money to charity. Way to go. Contrast him to Bill Gates in this sense. 

     

    If you don't like Android, fine. But to underestimate your enemy is the first step toward defeat. Of course, Apple is already well on its way to defeat, so this mistake has long been made. The question is whether its too late to stop the tide. 


    Your entire argument lost all credibility once you typed "and their hardware is undeniably more advanced". They're hardware is NOT more advanced, not by a long shot, especially after the A7 SoC unveiling. And if you think "more advanced" equals a bigger screen, you have no idea what the word "advanced" truly means.

     

    Oh, and saying "Apple is already well on its way to defeat" kinda makes you sound like one of those dipshit, dumbass analysts from Wall Street, and trolls from BGR, who've been saying Apple is Doomed for almost 30 years. STFU!

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  • Reply 24 of 63
    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post

    "Down on Fraggle Roid."



    Brilliant. How many here have heard of Fraggle Rock, I wonder?

     

     

    Steal their work away,

    Conscience? Ha! Not today,

    Android’s here to stay,

    Down at Google Rock!

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  • Reply 25 of 63
    radjinradjin Posts: 165member
    From a developer point of view... Why wouldn't you just develop for the users of Android that have 4.x? Won't that prompt users to want to upgrade to take advantage of the better features?

    Because you would be developing for less than a third of users and maybe three different handsets.
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  • Reply 26 of 63
    rot'napplerot'napple Posts: 1,839member
    "A Schmidt-load" now THAT needs to be trademarked! That's just way too funny!
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  • Reply 27 of 63
    tjwaltjwal Posts: 404member

    I call BS on this report.  For the iphone 5 to have that large of share, all the previous modesl of iphones must have been turned off.  No doubt the iphone 5 is successful but I suspect there is a flaw in Chitika's analysis as it doesn't pass a simple sanity check.

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  • Reply 28 of 63
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    Originally Posted by stevemiller View Post

     

    i know there are some of us for whom tech goodies are our indulgence, and thats cool, but this article seems to be cheerleading the idea of a MAJORITY of users treating technology as something almost disposable, which i feel isn't the most responsible behaviour.


     

    I don't know about 'almost disposable' - I've owned a number of iPhones and 3 iPads over the last few years and I've only ever had to 'dispose' of one, when my iPad 2 died and couldn't be saved. All the others, when I have upgraded, have either been given or loaned to family memebers, or sold. Or have been kept for development use - while I'm on a 5S now, I have my old 4S and my old 3GS so I can test apps at 3.5" on both iOS7 and iOS6.

     

    In terms of fragmentation, I think the biggest surprise for me this year was that Apple discontinued the iPhone 5 but kept the iPhone 4S around. That means at least 1 more year of supporting the 30-pin dock connector, and at least 2 more years of supporting the 3.5" screen size in software. Assuming Applestays consistent with past behavior, next year they will release iOS 8 with support for the iPhone 4S so all iOS 8 apps will be expected to support that screen size.

     

     

    Also on the subject of fragmentation, if the two biggest challenges are multiple OS versions and multiple screen sizes, I think Apple is in good stead. It seems there really isn't a problem with multiple OS versions, with a high adoption rate. And the screen sizes problem I think they have been focused on for a year or two, by pushing developers to adopt auto-layout. They've certainly been telling devs for years not to make assumptions on screen size. 

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  • Reply 29 of 63
    mhiklmhikl Posts: 471member
    adrayven wrote: »
    Schmidt just outright lies.. Wouldn't trust him with my breakfast order.
    Schmidt saying 'tis so doesn't make it neat. Dreams of desperation do not conjure reality from such a little mouth housing such large feet. Better he practise silent prayer whilst rumination on the little throne.
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  • Reply 30 of 63
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tjwal View Post

     

    I call BS on this report.  For the iphone 5 to have that large of share, all the previous modesl of iphones must have been turned off.  No doubt the iphone 5 is successful but I suspect there is a flaw in Chitika's analysis as it doesn't pass a simple sanity check.


     

    At least up until the 4 I believe it was a fact that newest model of iPhone would sell more than all previous iPhones put together, so would be >50% of all iPhones in use.

     

    Therefore the proposition that the 5 + 5C +5S equals >40% of all iPhones in use isn't beyond comprehension.  iPhones also break, get recycled, or just get thrown away sometimes.

     

    Plus, it's web stats, not a primary information source.  I think it's not illogical that people with a new iPhone are going to browse the web more than those with an older one.  Maybe LTE makes some difference too.

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  • Reply 31 of 63
    zabazaba Posts: 226member
    drblank wrote: »
    "Schmidt made similarly hollow predictions about widespread adoption of Google TV and more recently insisted that Android is "more secure than the iPhone," a remark that was met by laughter during a Gartner Symposium earlier this month."


    Meanwhile, back in Cupertino, Tim Cook's reaction to Schmidt's ridiculous statement....


    <img alt="CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 85" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="32160" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/32160/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 233px">
    I didn't know Jesus worked for Apple, that explains a lot.
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  • Reply 32 of 63
    i have friends who make the leep to android all the time, and then welcome them back a few months later, almost all come back, once the eyes free gimmick wears off they just want a sold OS with quality apps
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  • Reply 33 of 63
    mhiklmhikl Posts: 471member
    tjwal wrote: »
    I call BS on this report.  For the iphone 5 to have that large of share, all the previous modesl of iphones must have been turned off.  No doubt the iphone 5 is successful but I suspect there is a flaw in Chitika's analysis as it doesn't pass a simple sanity check.
    Much like the simple sanity test that the sun obviously revolves around the earth.
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  • Reply 34 of 63
    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,844member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ScienceBoy View Post

     

    Apple would ignore Android at its peril.


    No.


    I'm not a huge fan of Android, but...


    Obviously.


    ...but it has some significant advantages over software


    Because it isn't software?


    ...and their hardware is undeniably more advanced.


    This isn't the first place where your so-called argument falls apart but is breathtaking, although it would be breathtaking if you had a clue.


    They're also cheaper...


    Apple didn't hire Angela Ahrendts, whose current up-market company has particular expertise in China, to help them build a cheaper phone.



    What did Steve Jobs do, exactly? Create a better phone and refuse to give any money to charity. Way to go. Contrast him to Bill Gates in this sense.





    You have not the slightest clue what Steve Jobs gave to charity. True charity is not seen. Bill Gates is doing a great work though not on his own but driven by his wife Melinda and he's using ill gotten gains to do it.




    ...But to underestimate your enemy is the first step toward defeat.



    Like you'd have a clue about Apple's thinking!




    ...Of course, Apple is already well on its way to defeat, so this mistake has long been made. The question is whether its too late to stop the tide.




    By every metric this is untrue. Do you know how much of the phone market Steve Jobs hoped to corner with the iPhone when released? Your arguments are laughable except for the waste of time taken to reply to them.

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  • Reply 35 of 63
    Quote:


     That's perpetuating fragmentation on the Android platform, most obviously in software. Developers have little incentive to take advantage of new features and must write for the lowest common denominator to reach a wide installed base of users


     

    As many have said before; these users are not application aware, but rather, simply 'phone' users.

     

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     Despite those efforts, the ACLU issued a complaintwith the FCC this year describing how Android's fragmentation was exposing users to significant privacy risks.


     

    How stupid! How is the ACLU even involved in this, and what would they possibly expect to happen to fix this? We are now going to government regulate software installations? Ha! 

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  • Reply 36 of 63
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    Originally Posted by Radjin View Post





    Because you would be developing for less than a third of users and maybe three different handsets.

     

    I think your figures are off by quite a large margin.  Would you care to offer a source or two for your numbers?

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  • Reply 37 of 63

    You don't think the Android phones have more advanced hardware than the iPhone? Hmm... you're delusional or horribly ill informed. The only reason iPhones can compete on any metric that matters is due to software, not hardware. The top end Androids have faster processors, more memory, better screens and so on. What metric are you using to be so dismissive? Oh, right. You're a fanboy so don't bother taking an unbiased view of the competition. 

     

    As to the Steve Jobs charity issue... criminy. Spare me the Libertarian claptrap about charity. And to badmouth Bill Gates on the issue of charity  is idiotic, not to mention (again) ill informed. As a cancer researcher I have zero tolerance for the opinions of slimeballs like Jobs. 

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  • Reply 38 of 63
    Originally Posted by ScienceBoy View Post

    You don't think the Android phones have more advanced hardware than the iPhone?

     

    Only because they don’t. 

     
    The only reason iPhones can compete on any metric that matters is due to software, not hardware. The top end Androids have faster processors, more memory, better screens and so on. What metric are you using to be so dismissive? Oh, right. You're a fanboy so don't bother taking an unbiased view of the competition. 

     

    WOW, you’re stupid for a “cancer researcher”.

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  • Reply 39 of 63
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,650member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by enzos View Post

     

    Android: hmm… I've heard people (smart people, uni students even) saying how much better it is than iOS but can't seem to use the maps, or find the calculator, or the camera, (oops!) … And how much better it is to have replaceable batteries (that not one of them has actually changed), SD card expansion (that not one of them had used), a stronger flash (that gives shittier pictures), a bigger screen (that requires two hands to use).

     

    Why Apple fans worry about the little green toy-robot I do not know. The execrable (effing horrendous!) Galaxy Gear is what we get if Apple doesn't provide a blue-print a year or two in advance.  Samscum will sink under the weight of its photocopiers. And Google may be genius at search (Bing is for cretins, sorry!) but is clueless at hardware (and ethics and honesty and discretion and respect for privacy). 

     

    Enz


     

    How is sponsored search, which is what you get from Google any good? how many times have you gone directly to the 2nd or 3rd page? Facebook and Google are despicable with any info you give them. OS X, iOS, Apple hardware, and what Apple doesn't do with your info, makes Apple far and away the best you can buy and its not even close.

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  • Reply 40 of 63
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScienceBoy View Post

     

    You don't think the Android phones have more advanced hardware than the iPhone? Hmm... you're delusional or horribly ill informed. The only reason iPhones can compete on any metric that matters is due to software, not hardware. The top end Androids have faster processors, more memory, better screens and so on. What metric are you using to be so dismissive? Oh, right. You're a fanboy so don't bother taking an unbiased view of the competition. 

     

    As to the Steve Jobs charity issue... criminy. Spare me the Libertarian claptrap about charity. And to badmouth Bill Gates on the issue of charity  is idiotic, not to mention (again) ill informed. As a cancer researcher I have zero tolerance for the opinions of slimeballs like Jobs. 


     

     

    I thought we showed some 10+ years ago that processor speed is NOT the benchmark for performance, nor is amount of ram? Regardless whether you think one is better than the other, this argument has been proven wrong long, long ago. 

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