So why not just let the product do that itself, like every single Apple product has? No one says boo about Maps anymore, because that was never anything but a lie. No one says boo about antennagate anymore, because that was never anything but a lie. No one says…
Actually, maps has been in the press a lot recently, something to do with an airport in Alaska. I've also seen a number of articles in the last few days talking precisely about 'antennagate' and 'maps' and comparing the 5c 'sales problems' to them. That's exactly the problem with perception, people remember the flaw, whether or not it has any solid basis to it.
I'd suggest that if the negativity around the 5c persists, you will see Apple do a 'full court press' on the issue to start to minimize the damage. There are lots of strategies Apple could employ, anything from simple press releases/media interviews and advertising to more drastic changes including pricing and product changes/modifications.
Again, what we should be reading about is the 5s, without doubt the best phone Apple has ever produced, and arguably, the best phone ever produced. Instead, we're reading only about the negatives, and Apple who are a very well run company should be expected to manage this better.
I've been a registered member for some time. During that time I rarely read posts, and even more rarely posted myself. The past couple days have been different.
What I've learned from reading member's posts in this thread is consistent with all public forums. The first thing is that lack of knowledge doesn't stop the poster from posting.
A great example of that is Island Hermit. Over 4000 posts, and if the others are anything like what he's posted on this thread they are full of emotional, agenda driven, rumor based anger. There is no way that facts/common sense/logic will change his mind. Facts are an annoyance to someone like Island Hermit.
I've wasted enough time reading comments on Apple Insider. I won't do that again. The articles though are first rate. To bad they don't attract more knowledgeable commenters.
I'm glad I could be of help.
It must have been this angry post that got to him:
Quote:
Originally Posted by island hermit
I think AI has improved greatly by removing the trolls and obnoxious people much more quickly.
It was a real zoo for a while and it's actually quite pleasant now.
Yup... I'm, a real angry emotional guy.
I'm sure it must have been this post that caused it all:
Quote:
Originally Posted by island hermit
Pal, we are all allowed to have our opinions. I don't think my opinions are any more valid than anyone else. I have already stated that. I have also stated that I have no more evidence than the next guy, that it is my opinion. Until I see more evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that the 5c, while not a failure by any means for Apple, has not yet lived up to its expectations.
I gave my reasons and for whatever reason it really bothers you. I'm not sure why you think I'm such a powerful person but I'm flattered.
... and I like the fact that TS has given his opinion and I respect that.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out, my friend.
There are a few very knowledgeable people on here, 3 for sure, that, although we have our differences, I can always trust to slice and dice me whenever I get too far off the mark. The fact that I haven't had replies from certain members, 3 in particular, tells me that I must not have gone over the line too far (which in no way means that they agree with me).
Oh... and by the way, in case anyone is wondering, I have never ever replied to any of Gregg's comments until now. There has never ever been an exchange between us until his emotional agenda driven rumor based angry and extremely rude post above. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Name another low price device alternative to its bigger one that succeeded such as simular name that did not fail. This is espically true when it hit market that would have already been covered, but with a cheaper feel device.
How this meme may eventually turn out reminds me of the play-on-words highlighted in the 70s by British folkies The Dransfield brothers, with an album entitled "Popular to Contrary Belief".
Actually, maps has been in the press a lot recently, something to do with an airport in Alaska.
Link? Never heard of it.
I've also seen a number of articles in the last few days talking precisely about 'antennagate' and 'maps' and comparing the 5c 'sales problems' to them.
Exactly. It’s just as pointless and just as wrong. Hasn’t affected sales.
I'd suggest that if the negativity around the 5c persists, you will see Apple do a 'full court press' on the issue to start to minimize the damage.
I don't think we'll ever see another apology letter from Tim Cook about. Anything. Ever. Again.
I’d actually prefer they do something like this every time a group whines loud enough about whatever. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
In the media I've read, the Surface and its sales figures have pretty much been panned.
DED really needs to stop with these childish 'the media is biased against Apple!' articles. They're unprofessional as well as fallacious. Apple gets an extraordinary level of media attention, most of it positive.
In the media I've read, Apple's products have been panned time after time, only for Apple to post blowout sales figures.
Take the iPhone. Steve Ballmer laughed at the iPhone, saying that the lack of a keyboard makes it a not-so-great email machine. It's still called a toy, even though it's the phone of choice in the enterprise market. In fact, none of the leading smartphones these days, such as the Galaxy phones, Nexus, and others have a physical keyboard. They're all touch-only.
Take the iPad. When it came out, it was mocked by pundits. They said it was a giant iPod Touch. They said that the lack of Flash made it a failure. Some lampooned it, likening the name to a feminine hygiene product. Yet, Apple went on to post blowout sales. Not ones to accept defeat, pundits latched onto whisperings of Android smartphone OEMs preparing tablets to frame their case that Apple's days of dominance were numbered. Articles claimed that Apple should be afraid the "army of Android tablets," all of which would run Flash, giving consumers the "full web." Even Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen implied that the availability of Flash would cause customers to jump ship to Android. Guess who ate their words on Flash. Hint: not Apple.
It's true that Apple gets an extraordinary level of media attention, but not because they like Apple. It's because bashing Apple generates hits. If you call DED's article "unprofessional and fallacious," I don't know what to call the articles I've seen that bash Apple without a shred of supporting evidence or fact.
A lot of buyers are being convinced to buy the older 5 over the 5c by resellers and airtime providers. Probably clearing stock, in a way this would reflect on the 5c sales. Dont know how much.
The 5c is only a failure in relation to the 5s. I don't know if Apple considered that $100 bucks is not enough of a savings for people to forgo the latest and greatest.
Agreed. Though that definitely makes it a win for Apple. I think the 5C will really pick up momentum when it cascades into lower price tiers and begins displaces iPod touch sales. I'd like to see them refresh the colours. Red, orange and purple would all look nice. The yellow model is excellent. I'd like a to see a more intense blue (ultramarine?). The pink and green models are truly hideous.
Is the MS surface the only damn piece of tech that didn't sell like hotcakes? LOL! This article must have been written with MS's money in the hands of the arthur. The 5c is just the 5 from last year but with high quality plastic and colors. And the 5 sold like nobody';s business. Now, enter the surface. It wasn't a reworking of a mega hit product. It was a POS in the market space from the word GO! Last I read Apple sold 9 million phones in 3 days. Damn! They banking. Moreover, the 5s is selling out all over town. But didn't the market analyst say the cell phone market needed a cheap ass iPhone? Really? Seriously? Screw the analyst. They are market condition makers. The only folks suffering form the bs spewing from the jaws of those Wall Street pimps are the stockholders. But Apple is banking all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It just proved the point Apple's "regulars" don't want a cheap product. As soon as you tell people the low-end model is plastic...they would rather spend the extra $100 for 5S. I doubt Apple is complaining, especially is 5S is doing well. Innovate and they will pay for premium products.
You place everybody in the same boat. My girlfriend replaced her 3GS with a 5C. That is a huge step up, and it does everything she needs it to do and more. She does not need the 5S, and thought the 5C was a better choice. Besides being a huge step up in performance, it was $130 less then the 5S. Further, she bought it unlocked for zero dollars down at T-Mobile for $30 less than Apple sells it with a two year interest free loan. She can pay it off anytime she wants. The carrier service is contract free.
My impression - based on iPhone owners around me - is that most people who already have iP4, 4S, 5... feel that going from glass/metal to glass/plastic is perceived downgrade, regardless of facts. And price difference seems not to be strong enough to justify that.
Even my wife, who still has dying 3Gs, does not want to go for 5c, but is waiting for 5s to become available (initially only for new high-end contracts).
The way I see it, 5c is more attractive to first time iPhone buyers, then to upgraders who simply crave for that premium metal feel.
5C is not a good deal because it doesn't have the fingerprint sensor nor the 64bit CPU. Both not necessities but for $100 difference most folks rather have the newest Apple hardware than outdated retrofit. In the resale market the 5C will absolutely tank compare to even the iPhone 5 because a lot of people think the plastic is cheap and that's what Android phones are known for.
5C is not a good deal because it doesn't have the fingerprint sensor nor the 64bit CPU. Both not necessities but for $100 difference most folks rather have the newest Apple hardware than outdated retrofit. In the resale market the 5C will absolutely tank compare to even the iPhone 5 because a lot of people think the plastic is cheap and that's what Android phones are known for.
It is actually selling worst in Asian countries. In the US, iPhone is not so much a status symbol. A cheaper one is a good option. In Asia, the 5c is very expensive, and 5s is very VERY expensive. So they might as well get the top model. The 5c would have to be half the price to sell in Asia. As it is, it is a bit of a pointless product I am afraid.
Btw, I just saw a commercial this morning for new Kitchen Aid blenders that come in 10 different colors, and several of the colors were exactly the same as the 5C colors. No one is required to like the 5C colors but I guarantee there are people working at Apple who are more knowledgeable about colors and trends than those of us posting here. And I'll bet it won't be difficult for Apple to add or change colors depending on sales data or customer feedback they get.
I wouldn't doubt that Apple consults directly with Pantone to learn and discuss trending design colors.
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So why not just let the product do that itself, like every single Apple product has? No one says boo about Maps anymore, because that was never anything but a lie. No one says boo about antennagate anymore, because that was never anything but a lie. No one says…
Actually, maps has been in the press a lot recently, something to do with an airport in Alaska. I've also seen a number of articles in the last few days talking precisely about 'antennagate' and 'maps' and comparing the 5c 'sales problems' to them. That's exactly the problem with perception, people remember the flaw, whether or not it has any solid basis to it.
I'd suggest that if the negativity around the 5c persists, you will see Apple do a 'full court press' on the issue to start to minimize the damage. There are lots of strategies Apple could employ, anything from simple press releases/media interviews and advertising to more drastic changes including pricing and product changes/modifications.
Again, what we should be reading about is the 5s, without doubt the best phone Apple has ever produced, and arguably, the best phone ever produced. Instead, we're reading only about the negatives, and Apple who are a very well run company should be expected to manage this better.
I've been a registered member for some time. During that time I rarely read posts, and even more rarely posted myself. The past couple days have been different.
What I've learned from reading member's posts in this thread is consistent with all public forums. The first thing is that lack of knowledge doesn't stop the poster from posting.
A great example of that is Island Hermit. Over 4000 posts, and if the others are anything like what he's posted on this thread they are full of emotional, agenda driven, rumor based anger. There is no way that facts/common sense/logic will change his mind. Facts are an annoyance to someone like Island Hermit.
I've wasted enough time reading comments on Apple Insider. I won't do that again. The articles though are first rate. To bad they don't attract more knowledgeable commenters.
I'm glad I could be of help.
It must have been this angry post that got to him:
I think AI has improved greatly by removing the trolls and obnoxious people much more quickly.
It was a real zoo for a while and it's actually quite pleasant now.
Yup... I'm, a real angry emotional guy.
I'm sure it must have been this post that caused it all:
Quote:
Pal, we are all allowed to have our opinions. I don't think my opinions are any more valid than anyone else. I have already stated that. I have also stated that I have no more evidence than the next guy, that it is my opinion. Until I see more evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that the 5c, while not a failure by any means for Apple, has not yet lived up to its expectations.
I gave my reasons and for whatever reason it really bothers you. I'm not sure why you think I'm such a powerful person but I'm flattered.
... and I like the fact that TS has given his opinion and I respect that.
It's definitely emotional agenda driven rumor based anger. Yup... uh huh... okay...
Don't let the door hit you on your way out, my friend.
There are a few very knowledgeable people on here, 3 for sure, that, although we have our differences, I can always trust to slice and dice me whenever I get too far off the mark. The fact that I haven't had replies from certain members, 3 in particular, tells me that I must not have gone over the line too far (which in no way means that they agree with me).
Oh... and by the way, in case anyone is wondering, I have never ever replied to any of Gregg's comments until now. There has never ever been an exchange between us until his emotional agenda driven rumor based angry and extremely rude post above.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Link? Never heard of it.
Exactly. It’s just as pointless and just as wrong. Hasn’t affected sales.
I'd suggest that if the negativity around the 5c persists, you will see Apple do a 'full court press' on the issue to start to minimize the damage.
Nope. Runs contrary to how Apple operates.
Nope. Runs contrary to how Apple operates.
I don't think we'll ever see another apology letter from Tim Cook about. Anything. Ever. Again.
I don't think we'll ever see another apology letter from Tim Cook about. Anything. Ever. Again.
I’d actually prefer they do something like this every time a group whines loud enough about whatever.
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In the media I've read, the Surface and its sales figures have pretty much been panned.
DED really needs to stop with these childish 'the media is biased against Apple!' articles. They're unprofessional as well as fallacious. Apple gets an extraordinary level of media attention, most of it positive.
In the media I've read, Apple's products have been panned time after time, only for Apple to post blowout sales figures.
Take the iPhone. Steve Ballmer laughed at the iPhone, saying that the lack of a keyboard makes it a not-so-great email machine. It's still called a toy, even though it's the phone of choice in the enterprise market. In fact, none of the leading smartphones these days, such as the Galaxy phones, Nexus, and others have a physical keyboard. They're all touch-only.
Take the iPad. When it came out, it was mocked by pundits. They said it was a giant iPod Touch. They said that the lack of Flash made it a failure. Some lampooned it, likening the name to a feminine hygiene product. Yet, Apple went on to post blowout sales. Not ones to accept defeat, pundits latched onto whisperings of Android smartphone OEMs preparing tablets to frame their case that Apple's days of dominance were numbered. Articles claimed that Apple should be afraid the "army of Android tablets," all of which would run Flash, giving consumers the "full web." Even Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen implied that the availability of Flash would cause customers to jump ship to Android. Guess who ate their words on Flash. Hint: not Apple.
It's true that Apple gets an extraordinary level of media attention, but not because they like Apple. It's because bashing Apple generates hits. If you call DED's article "unprofessional and fallacious," I don't know what to call the articles I've seen that bash Apple without a shred of supporting evidence or fact.
The 5c is only a failure in relation to the 5s. I don't know if Apple considered that $100 bucks is not enough of a savings for people to forgo the latest and greatest.
Agreed. Though that definitely makes it a win for Apple. I think the 5C will really pick up momentum when it cascades into lower price tiers and begins displaces iPod touch sales. I'd like to see them refresh the colours. Red, orange and purple would all look nice. The yellow model is excellent. I'd like a to see a more intense blue (ultramarine?). The pink and green models are truly hideous.
Whilst everyone is hatching history it is still more than apparant that most of those 5c sales were in fact channel inventory.
This article must have been written with MS's money in the hands of the arthur.
The 5c is just the 5 from last year but with high quality plastic and colors. And the 5 sold like nobody';s business.
Now, enter the surface. It wasn't a reworking of a mega hit product. It was a POS in the market space from the word GO!
Last I read Apple sold 9 million phones in 3 days. Damn! They banking.
Moreover, the 5s is selling out all over town. But didn't the market analyst say the cell phone market needed a cheap ass iPhone? Really? Seriously?
Screw the analyst. They are market condition makers. The only folks suffering form the bs spewing from the jaws of those Wall Street pimps are the stockholders. But Apple is banking all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It just proved the point Apple's "regulars" don't want a cheap product. As soon as you tell people the low-end model is plastic...they would rather spend the extra $100 for 5S. I doubt Apple is complaining, especially is 5S is doing well. Innovate and they will pay for premium products.
My impression - based on iPhone owners around me - is that most people who already have iP4, 4S, 5... feel that going from glass/metal to glass/plastic is perceived downgrade, regardless of facts. And price difference seems not to be strong enough to justify that.
Even my wife, who still has dying 3Gs, does not want to go for 5c, but is waiting for 5s to become available (initially only for new high-end contracts).
The way I see it, 5c is more attractive to first time iPhone buyers, then to upgraders who simply crave for that premium metal feel.
Link? Never heard of it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24246646
Btw, I just saw a commercial this morning for new Kitchen Aid blenders that come in 10 different colors, and several of the colors were exactly the same as the 5C colors. No one is required to like the 5C colors but I guarantee there are people working at Apple who are more knowledgeable about colors and trends than those of us posting here. And I'll bet it won't be difficult for Apple to add or change colors depending on sales data or customer feedback they get.
I wouldn't doubt that Apple consults directly with Pantone to learn and discuss trending design colors.
I wouldn't doubt that Apple consults directly with Pantone to learn and discuss trending design colors.
... and/or the IACC... International Association of Color Consultants.