My guess is to keep the price down and that most people who will buy one will be upgrading from an old Mac Pro so will already have the keyboard, mouse, screen etc.
It's a lot cheaper than I was expecting.
That and the box isn’t big enough to hold either.
Know what I expect from the new Mac Pro?
When the reviews come out, I see it being 2x as fast as anything else available on the market, but for only 1.5x the price. I see production studios being quoted, “We couldn’t afford NOT to buy ten Mac Pros. Their performance combined with the power draw blows away our old Dell crap.”
Gotta shut up the haters. The best way to do that is to be the single greatest product on the market.
That was my initial reaction, but then I started thinking about it. Most of my Pro machines now have a custom "editor's keyboard" that I use with them, so my "free" ones from Apple never get used. Honestly it's one less thing for me to have to store.
the issue is that research/industry software packages such as Cadence or MATLAB support CUDA and it would have been great to have CUDA NVIDIA there.
Both MATLAB and Cadence support OpenCL but CUDA is a lot more mature. Give it time, if these new Mac's take off so will OpenCL. I still prefer CUDA though, as a programmer, there are a whole lot more code examples out there for CUDA over OpenCL.
That was my initial reaction, but then I started thinking about it. Most of my Pro machines now have a custom "editor's keyboard" that I use with them, so my "free" ones from Apple never get used. Honestly it's one less thing for me to have to store.
Hey, send me one of those unused Mac Pro keyboards because mine certainly got used.
It was cheaper than I thought. With the dual GPU configuration I was expecting a $3299 starting point. Those are very expensive GPU's. I just wish they would offer a model with a standard (read far cheaper) desktop class GPU which would have allowed for an entry model a tad more affordable to home buyers that just don't want an iMac for a variety of reasons. But I admit I want one of these bad boys but I will need to wait and see what an external thunderbolt array will cost me to be able to bring over all my old hard drives. Even though the new Mac Pro may be a lot smaller I still have about 12GB of data I need to access so I doubt I will see any space or energy savings since now I will need an external array to hold my storage as opposed to now.
Hey, send me one of those unused Mac Pro keyboards because mine certainly got used.
It was cheaper than I thought. With the dual GPU configuration I was expecting a $3299 starting point. Those are very expensive GPU's. I just wish they would offer a model with a standard (read far cheaper) desktop class GPU which would have allowed for an entry model a tad more affordable to home buyers that just don't want an iMac for a variety of reasons. But I admit I want one of these bad boys but I will need to wait and see what an external thunderbolt array will cost me to be able to bring over all my old hard drives. Even though the new Mac Pro may be a lot smaller I still have about 12GB of data I need to access so I doubt I will see any space or energy savings since now I will need an external array to hold my storage as opposed to now.
The first Apple II computers went on sale on June 10, 1977[2][3] with a MOS Technology 6502 microprocessor running at 1 MHz, 4 KB of RAM, an audio cassette interface for loading programs and storing data, and the Integer BASIC programming language built into the ROMs. The video controller displayed 40 columns by 24 lines of monochrome, upper-case-only (the original character set matches ASCII characters 0x20 to 0x5F) text on the screen, with NTSC composite video output suitable for display on a TV monitor, or on a regular TV set by way of a separate RF modulator. The original retail price of the computer was US$1298[13] (with 4 kB of RAM) and US$2638 (with the maximum 48 kB of RAM).
I’m sure you could put together something cheaper from a screwdriver shop but I just tried to configure something similar at Dell to compare, and with a slower CPU configuration and less RAM, it came out about $2.8k. I couldn’t spec it with all the parts Apple includes because Dell doesn’t e.g. have Thunderbolt on their options list. The AMD D300 seems to new, since I can’t find anywhere but in the Mac Pro PR, so I don’t know if I specced the Dell with comparable graphics.
Nice I suppose if you want a machine in this class. I would like something in the gap between this and the mini where I can spec my own parts and don’t need midget fingers or to desolder delicate parts to swap RAM etc.
Do i really need dual Firepro 2gbs? Wouldn't it be better for the base model to have one and a bigger SDD or better processor instead? Or is the graphics card used a lot in osx ?
I'm looking for a home machine to be used for Photoshop and Logic X.
I'm not convinced that $2999 is a good price for the entry level model. It's the pricing of the maxed-out high end model that matters. For post production we'll need a mix of mid- and high-end machines, ideally not the minimum spec that runs Avid, then you need decent RAM and at least some local Thunderbolt storage - or commit to a fast SAN with 10GB Ethernet or better. So there are significant additional costs beyond the cylinder. At $1999 up we'd buy 10 now, at a likely $4500 kitted out, one every 6 months over the next 3 years. There's pent up demand for sure, but at this price we won't be buying them in bulk.
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I still say it’s a dalek. Especially when they do one of those disassembly views.
I am a bit surprised that Apple went with ATI. The CUDA by NVIDIA is more accepted in the industry. For PRO users that is an important point...
Not those with any sense. OpenCL is more portable.
Audience seemed very underwhelmed, but I thought $3k was a good price, although I don't shop in that market.
They were only there for the iPad. The media chose to say that this was an iPad event.
It's a lot cheaper than I was expecting.
That and the box isn’t big enough to hold either.
Know what I expect from the new Mac Pro?
When the reviews come out, I see it being 2x as fast as anything else available on the market, but for only 1.5x the price. I see production studios being quoted, “We couldn’t afford NOT to buy ten Mac Pros. Their performance combined with the power draw blows away our old Dell crap.”
Gotta shut up the haters. The best way to do that is to be the single greatest product on the market.
Display?
Not those with any sense. OpenCL is more portable.
the issue is that research/industry software packages such as Cadence or MATLAB support CUDA and it would have been great to have CUDA NVIDIA there.
That was my initial reaction, but then I started thinking about it. Most of my Pro machines now have a custom "editor's keyboard" that I use with them, so my "free" ones from Apple never get used. Honestly it's one less thing for me to have to store.
The pros this is designed for buy specialized keyboards and mouses. Why ship with those things if they might not be used?
the issue is that research/industry software packages such as Cadence or MATLAB support CUDA and it would have been great to have CUDA NVIDIA there.
Both MATLAB and Cadence support OpenCL but CUDA is a lot more mature. Give it time, if these new Mac's take off so will OpenCL. I still prefer CUDA though, as a programmer, there are a whole lot more code examples out there for CUDA over OpenCL.
3,000, isn't bad, good job Apple.
That was my initial reaction, but then I started thinking about it. Most of my Pro machines now have a custom "editor's keyboard" that I use with them, so my "free" ones from Apple never get used. Honestly it's one less thing for me to have to store.
Hey, send me one of those unused Mac Pro keyboards because mine certainly got used.
It was cheaper than I thought. With the dual GPU configuration I was expecting a $3299 starting point. Those are very expensive GPU's. I just wish they would offer a model with a standard (read far cheaper) desktop class GPU which would have allowed for an entry model a tad more affordable to home buyers that just don't want an iMac for a variety of reasons. But I admit I want one of these bad boys but I will need to wait and see what an external thunderbolt array will cost me to be able to bring over all my old hard drives. Even though the new Mac Pro may be a lot smaller I still have about 12GB of data I need to access so I doubt I will see any space or energy savings since now I will need an external array to hold my storage as opposed to now.
Hey, send me one of those unused Mac Pro keyboards because mine certainly got used.
It was cheaper than I thought. With the dual GPU configuration I was expecting a $3299 starting point. Those are very expensive GPU's. I just wish they would offer a model with a standard (read far cheaper) desktop class GPU which would have allowed for an entry model a tad more affordable to home buyers that just don't want an iMac for a variety of reasons. But I admit I want one of these bad boys but I will need to wait and see what an external thunderbolt array will cost me to be able to bring over all my old hard drives. Even though the new Mac Pro may be a lot smaller I still have about 12GB of data I need to access so I doubt I will see any space or energy savings since now I will need an external array to hold my storage as opposed to now.
12GB? Would that be TB?
Just for some perspective...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series
My first Apple ][ cost $2638 in 1978. It came with a keyboard and case. I had to buy separately (not in the box):
What cost $2638 in 1978 would cost $9,462.69 in 2012.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com
I’m sure you could put together something cheaper from a screwdriver shop but I just tried to configure something similar at Dell to compare, and with a slower CPU configuration and less RAM, it came out about $2.8k. I couldn’t spec it with all the parts Apple includes because Dell doesn’t e.g. have Thunderbolt on their options list. The AMD D300 seems to new, since I can’t find anywhere but in the Mac Pro PR, so I don’t know if I specced the Dell with comparable graphics.
And someone else has also noted the dalek connection.
Nice I suppose if you want a machine in this class. I would like something in the gap between this and the mini where I can spec my own parts and don’t need midget fingers or to desolder delicate parts to swap RAM etc.
Do i really need dual Firepro 2gbs? Wouldn't it be better for the base model to have one and a bigger SDD or better processor instead? Or is the graphics card used a lot in osx ?
I'm looking for a home machine to be used for Photoshop and Logic X.
I'm curious as to the UK price.
that's like 3K less than I was expecting. wow.
Well, wait till we get the prices for the higher specs models. You won't be disappointed.
Both MATLAB and Cadence support OpenCL
MATLAB only supports CUDA natively. There's third-party OpenCL support but it doesn't work with the built in toolboxes, so it's basically worthless.
I'm looking for a home machine to be used for Photoshop and Logic X.
27” iMac.
If you have to ask, you don’t need a Mac Pro.
For starters...
Just how much is that worth -- in other words, how much are you getting paid for your time?
Also, aren't some of those parts supply constrained -- in other words, how many weeks/months will elapse until you have a working computer.
What will be its resale value?