Not sure what you used yours for but I bet it isn't for going over two page spreads with clients or editing in Final Cut or other design type work.
Designers need big screens. I can barely work on a 17" screen and work on a 30" screen at the office with all my palettes on the 17" screen of my Mackbook.
For your office, at least, why limit yourself with 17" + 30"?
You could always keep the 17"-er for taking to clients if it 'barely' manages...
Otherwise people will be forced to switch to Windows.
Isn’t that exactly what I said? They couldn’t care less about these people.
Apple isn’t going to go bankrupt because five whiners didn’t get their xMac or their 17” MacBook Pro. Apple doesn’t cater to anyone and they don’t have to cater to everyone. You need to understand this.
Your analyzing whether Apple will make a 17inch MBP again based on the 15inch BTO options? WHAT? That has NOTHING to do with it.
Sure it does. It indicates that Apple prefers to even further limit their skus and configurations even when there might be demand for different needs.
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The bottom line is Apple will bring out a product if they can meet all of the requirements they feel are needed (weight, size, price, etc.etc.) and there is a big enough market for it. I doubt they will make one within a year, but after that, I am not going to speculate that they won't or will. All I know is that the market shifts.
Yes, the market shifts. That's hardly profound.
I've been in the "computer industry" for a very long time as well. My first job was selling Apple ][ clones. So what? If you're looking at long term trends you'll see that on the desktop there was an ever increasing size up to 30". Then folks stepped back and the norm appears to be 27" at the top end. Likewise with laptops shooting up to 17" and then dropping back to 15". Also dropping down to 7" and then back up to 11-12". Given the current trends I think it is highly unlikely that Apple will make a 17" MBP again.
An example is tomorrow I'm driving over to a client to go over the brochure that I'm doing for them. My 17" screen is barely big enough to display the layout and not have everything be too small to be practical.
That's just stupid. Is the brochure physically that much larger than a 17" screen? Doubtful.
Frankly I'd be surprised if an iPad + Apple TV wasn't a better client presentation platform than any 17" laptop screen you have to crowd behind. Render to a format the iPad can play. Throw on clients 55"+ conference (or living room) room HDTV or projector. Let client zoom/pan as desired on iPad. If you intend to edit then AirPlay from laptop to HDTV or projector.
That's just stupid. Is the brochure physically that much larger than a 17" screen? Doubtful.
Frankly I'd be surprised if an iPad + Apple TV wasn't a better client presentation platform than any 17" laptop screen you have to crowd behind. Render to a format the iPad can play. Throw on clients 55"+ conference (or living room) room HDTV or projector. Let client zoom/pan as desired on iPad. If you intend to edit then AirPlay from laptop to HDTV or projector.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Doesn't your client have a bigger monitor you can hook your laptop up to?
Doesn't your client have a bigger monitor you can hook your laptop up to?
We sat at a table and discussed things over lunch. But I guess we could have moved the meeting into the restaurant’s office. Then I could craw under the desk and disconnect their crappy un-calibrated monitor from their PC. Then go looking for an adapter that goes from its VGA connector to my Macbook. Damn, why didn't I think of this?
We sat at a table and discussed thing over lunch. But I guess we could have moved the meeting into the restaurant’s office. Then I could craw under the desk and disconnect their crappy un-calibrated monitor from their PC. Then go looking for an adapter that goes from its VGA connector to my Macbook. Damn, why didn't I think of this?
You should maybe print out a full sized copy and have something to write on to make notes.
There are various ways to interface with a customer when discussing a mock up for a design.
I have a friend that does graphics work and he uses a MBP w/o Retina (yeah, he's considering a new laptop). I asked him if he would prefer a 17inch just to get his reaction and he told me that the 17inch was too big and heavy and the 15 inch does just fine. He uses mostly Photoshop for what he does.
You should maybe print out a full sized copy and have something to write on to make notes.
Got it, leave laptop home. Bring Letraset, Border tape, X Acto Knife and some spray adhesive. Time to get back to basics and go old skool. Going to have to also load up camera with some Kodachrome.
Got it, leave laptop home. Bring Letraset, Border tape, X Acto Knife and some spray adhesive. Time to get back to basics and go old skool. Going to have to also load up camera with some Kodachrome.
No, you bring a full sized print in addition to the laptop if you want, so you can draw any changes on it and make notes and if you want to do the changes on the laptop in front of them, you can do that. Don't you ever show proofs in a full sized print version if the job is for a print as final copy?
Or don't you invite the customer to your shop so you have all of your big screens there to show your work on a REAL workstation?
All of the real graphics guys that use higher end s/w have higher end workstations and a laptop is just doing light modifications but the more serious work is done on a higher end workstation. At least that's what the crowd I've dealt with do.
Or don't you invite the customer to your shop so you have all of your big screens there to show your work on a REAL workstation?
You mean the spare bedroom of my house?
I'm a freelance designer. Have been for over twenty years. My last desktop machine was a G3 tower. Went from that to a 17" Powerbook. That Powerbook is still in our kitchen being used for recipes. Bought the first Intel 15" Macbook when it came out. Always found the screen too small but it still runs and is on my night stand. I use it for email and surfing the web sometimes. Also have an iPad. I like it for reading books but that is about it.
My 17" connected to a 30" screen, mouse and keyboard is my workstation. Love being able to unplug it and have everything with me.
Just like some people want a bigger iPhone some people want a bigger laptop. It's frustrating when the only place to buy hardware is one suppler and that suppler is no longer making products that fit my needs.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
And then buy two copies of the Adobe applications plus other applications that I use.
Not at all. With a single license on Creative Cloud, for example, you can install on multiple machines, as long as you don't use them at the same time. That would be some feat, if you were out at a client's.
I'm a freelance designer. Have been for over twenty years. My last desktop machine was a G3 tower. Went from that to a 17" Powerbook. That Powerbook is still in our kitchen being used for recipes. Bought the first Intel 15" Macbook when it came out. Always found the screen too small but it still runs and is on my night stand. I use it for email and surfing the web sometimes. Also have an iPad. I like it for reading books but that is about it.
My 17" connected to a 30" screen, mouse and keyboard is my workstation. Love being able to unplug it and have everything with me.
Just like some people want a bigger iPhone some people want a bigger laptop. It's frustrating when the only place to buy hardware is one suppler and that suppler is no longer making products that fit my needs.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
Well, most of the freelancers that only use a laptop to a big screen that are in graphics are typically the low end graphics crowd. I'm sorry you don't make enough money at your job to buy a more powerful desktop workstation, that you don't work for a company that buys expensive workstations. The people I used to sell to fell into the category of working for a company that bought expensive high end workstations as their main system and a laptop for their secondary system or the people just simply bought high end systems if they were freelancers because they could afford high end systems. Those were the customers I had.
I'm a freelance designer. Have been for over twenty years. My last desktop machine was a G3 tower. Went from that to a 17" Powerbook. That Powerbook is still in our kitchen being used for recipes. Bought the first Intel 15" Macbook when it came out. Always found the screen too small but it still runs and is on my night stand. I use it for email and surfing the web sometimes. Also have an iPad. I like it for reading books but that is about it.
My 17" connected to a 30" screen, mouse and keyboard is my workstation. Love being able to unplug it and have everything with me.
Just like some people want a bigger iPhone some people want a bigger laptop. It's frustrating when the only place to buy hardware is one suppler and that suppler is no longer making products that fit my needs.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
I know of one person that only uses a laptop, but he does mostly Photoshop and he doesn't even meet with his clients, he just sends them the file, gets feedback from the client, makes changes until the job is done. He gets all of his work on-line and they are rarely in the same town. But he only charges around $50 an hour and gets work whenever he can, but he's content just using a 15inch MBP (non-retina), he's saving up for a Retina model. I asked him if he would prefer a 17inch, and he doesn't want one because it's too big/heavy/expensive for his needs. But, I understand your dilemma, I think Apple should make a 17inch model because there are others in the recording/video editing that really would like the larger screen, etc.
I think if Apple's isn't making the 17inch, it's due to the retina screen not being cheap enough and the panel mfg can't make them in large enough quantities, yet. Why do you think Apple was the only 15inch retina screen available for so long? I don't think anyone else that makes a 15inch laptop even has one out yet. If so, I haven't seen them and I know they aren't mainstream amongst the PC laptop crowd.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Neither restaurant nor spa have HDTVs? Mkay. They still have power. So bring a small projector and shine it on a small screen.
I've done work in the middle of a desert with a generator. In any case my 17" MBP would not have lasted all day anyway (3-4 hours under heavy load) and there's a limit to the number of hyperjuice bricks I was going to hump around if on foot. If in a vehicle then you can run off the car power port.
Frankly if your work isn't sitting on a small raid 1 drive you're courting disaster. Especially if you still have a HDD in your MBP and not a SSD. They make relatively compact 2.5" ones.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
No it's your loss. Either you're running an underpowered machine or you're switching workflow from Mac to Windows.
You seem unwilling to use any solution other than what you're used to.
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Not sure what you used yours for but I bet it isn't for going over two page spreads with clients or editing in Final Cut or other design type work.
Designers need big screens. I can barely work on a 17" screen and work on a 30" screen at the office with all my palettes on the 17" screen of my Mackbook.
For your office, at least, why limit yourself with 17" + 30"?
You could always keep the 17"-er for taking to clients if it 'barely' manages...
You could always keep the 17"-er for taking to clients if it 'barely' manages...
And then buy two copies of the Adobe applications plus other applications that I use.
Isn’t that exactly what I said? They couldn’t care less about these people.
Apple isn’t going to go bankrupt because five whiners didn’t get their xMac or their 17” MacBook Pro. Apple doesn’t cater to anyone and they don’t have to cater to everyone. You need to understand this.
Your analyzing whether Apple will make a 17inch MBP again based on the 15inch BTO options? WHAT? That has NOTHING to do with it.
Sure it does. It indicates that Apple prefers to even further limit their skus and configurations even when there might be demand for different needs.
Yes, the market shifts. That's hardly profound.
I've been in the "computer industry" for a very long time as well. My first job was selling Apple ][ clones. So what? If you're looking at long term trends you'll see that on the desktop there was an ever increasing size up to 30". Then folks stepped back and the norm appears to be 27" at the top end. Likewise with laptops shooting up to 17" and then dropping back to 15". Also dropping down to 7" and then back up to 11-12". Given the current trends I think it is highly unlikely that Apple will make a 17" MBP again.
An example is tomorrow I'm driving over to a client to go over the brochure that I'm doing for them. My 17" screen is barely big enough to display the layout and not have everything be too small to be practical.
That's just stupid. Is the brochure physically that much larger than a 17" screen? Doubtful.
Frankly I'd be surprised if an iPad + Apple TV wasn't a better client presentation platform than any 17" laptop screen you have to crowd behind. Render to a format the iPad can play. Throw on clients 55"+ conference (or living room) room HDTV or projector. Let client zoom/pan as desired on iPad. If you intend to edit then AirPlay from laptop to HDTV or projector.
That's just stupid. Is the brochure physically that much larger than a 17" screen? Doubtful.
Frankly I'd be surprised if an iPad + Apple TV wasn't a better client presentation platform than any 17" laptop screen you have to crowd behind. Render to a format the iPad can play. Throw on clients 55"+ conference (or living room) room HDTV or projector. Let client zoom/pan as desired on iPad. If you intend to edit then AirPlay from laptop to HDTV or projector.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
http://www.siliconsolar.com/portable-solar-power-systems.html
http://www.siliconsolar.com/portable-solar-power-systems.html
Even better, portable fuel cell
http://www.gizmag.com/go/4068/picture/11293/
Because lugging around all this equipment is so much better than lugging around a 17" laptop.
Even better, portable fuel cell
http://www.gizmag.com/go/4068/picture/11293/
Because lugging around all this equipment is so much better than lugging around a 17" laptop.
That's a neat product.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Doesn't your client have a bigger monitor you can hook your laptop up to?
Doesn't your client have a bigger monitor you can hook your laptop up to?
We sat at a table and discussed things over lunch. But I guess we could have moved the meeting into the restaurant’s office. Then I could craw under the desk and disconnect their crappy un-calibrated monitor from their PC. Then go looking for an adapter that goes from its VGA connector to my Macbook. Damn, why didn't I think of this?
We sat at a table and discussed thing over lunch. But I guess we could have moved the meeting into the restaurant’s office. Then I could craw under the desk and disconnect their crappy un-calibrated monitor from their PC. Then go looking for an adapter that goes from its VGA connector to my Macbook. Damn, why didn't I think of this?
You should maybe print out a full sized copy and have something to write on to make notes.
There are various ways to interface with a customer when discussing a mock up for a design.
I have a friend that does graphics work and he uses a MBP w/o Retina (yeah, he's considering a new laptop). I asked him if he would prefer a 17inch just to get his reaction and he told me that the 17inch was too big and heavy and the 15 inch does just fine. He uses mostly Photoshop for what he does.
You should maybe print out a full sized copy and have something to write on to make notes.
Got it, leave laptop home. Bring Letraset, Border tape, X Acto Knife and some spray adhesive. Time to get back to basics and go old skool. Going to have to also load up camera with some Kodachrome.
Got it, leave laptop home. Bring Letraset, Border tape, X Acto Knife and some spray adhesive. Time to get back to basics and go old skool. Going to have to also load up camera with some Kodachrome.
No, you bring a full sized print in addition to the laptop if you want, so you can draw any changes on it and make notes and if you want to do the changes on the laptop in front of them, you can do that. Don't you ever show proofs in a full sized print version if the job is for a print as final copy?
Or don't you invite the customer to your shop so you have all of your big screens there to show your work on a REAL workstation?
All of the real graphics guys that use higher end s/w have higher end workstations and a laptop is just doing light modifications but the more serious work is done on a higher end workstation. At least that's what the crowd I've dealt with do.
Or don't you invite the customer to your shop so you have all of your big screens there to show your work on a REAL workstation?
You mean the spare bedroom of my house?
I'm a freelance designer. Have been for over twenty years. My last desktop machine was a G3 tower. Went from that to a 17" Powerbook. That Powerbook is still in our kitchen being used for recipes. Bought the first Intel 15" Macbook when it came out. Always found the screen too small but it still runs and is on my night stand. I use it for email and surfing the web sometimes. Also have an iPad. I like it for reading books but that is about it.
My 17" connected to a 30" screen, mouse and keyboard is my workstation. Love being able to unplug it and have everything with me.
Just like some people want a bigger iPhone some people want a bigger laptop. It's frustrating when the only place to buy hardware is one suppler and that suppler is no longer making products that fit my needs.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
And then buy two copies of the Adobe applications plus other applications that I use.
Not at all. With a single license on Creative Cloud, for example, you can install on multiple machines, as long as you don't use them at the same time. That would be some feat, if you were out at a client's.
You mean the spare bedroom of my house?
I'm a freelance designer. Have been for over twenty years. My last desktop machine was a G3 tower. Went from that to a 17" Powerbook. That Powerbook is still in our kitchen being used for recipes. Bought the first Intel 15" Macbook when it came out. Always found the screen too small but it still runs and is on my night stand. I use it for email and surfing the web sometimes. Also have an iPad. I like it for reading books but that is about it.
My 17" connected to a 30" screen, mouse and keyboard is my workstation. Love being able to unplug it and have everything with me.
Just like some people want a bigger iPhone some people want a bigger laptop. It's frustrating when the only place to buy hardware is one suppler and that suppler is no longer making products that fit my needs.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
Well, most of the freelancers that only use a laptop to a big screen that are in graphics are typically the low end graphics crowd. I'm sorry you don't make enough money at your job to buy a more powerful desktop workstation, that you don't work for a company that buys expensive workstations. The people I used to sell to fell into the category of working for a company that bought expensive high end workstations as their main system and a laptop for their secondary system or the people just simply bought high end systems if they were freelancers because they could afford high end systems. Those were the customers I had.
You mean the spare bedroom of my house?
I'm a freelance designer. Have been for over twenty years. My last desktop machine was a G3 tower. Went from that to a 17" Powerbook. That Powerbook is still in our kitchen being used for recipes. Bought the first Intel 15" Macbook when it came out. Always found the screen too small but it still runs and is on my night stand. I use it for email and surfing the web sometimes. Also have an iPad. I like it for reading books but that is about it.
My 17" connected to a 30" screen, mouse and keyboard is my workstation. Love being able to unplug it and have everything with me.
Just like some people want a bigger iPhone some people want a bigger laptop. It's frustrating when the only place to buy hardware is one suppler and that suppler is no longer making products that fit my needs.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
I know of one person that only uses a laptop, but he does mostly Photoshop and he doesn't even meet with his clients, he just sends them the file, gets feedback from the client, makes changes until the job is done. He gets all of his work on-line and they are rarely in the same town. But he only charges around $50 an hour and gets work whenever he can, but he's content just using a 15inch MBP (non-retina), he's saving up for a Retina model. I asked him if he would prefer a 17inch, and he doesn't want one because it's too big/heavy/expensive for his needs. But, I understand your dilemma, I think Apple should make a 17inch model because there are others in the recording/video editing that really would like the larger screen, etc.
I think if Apple's isn't making the 17inch, it's due to the retina screen not being cheap enough and the panel mfg can't make them in large enough quantities, yet. Why do you think Apple was the only 15inch retina screen available for so long? I don't think anyone else that makes a 15inch laptop even has one out yet. If so, I haven't seen them and I know they aren't mainstream amongst the PC laptop crowd.
Conference room, what conference room? Two meetings today. One at a restaurant and one at a Spa. Just the manager and I sitting down in front of a laptop going over design ideas. What you don't realize is client on I work together on layouts. iPads don't run Photoshop, InDesign, Final Cut, Dreamweaver or anything that a designer would use.
Honestly I see myself ending up lugging around a monitor and external drive in the future. Should be real fun when doing on location photo shoots when there is no power source. Guess I'll have to add a generator to the gear list. I'm going to need a much bigger laptop bag.
Neither restaurant nor spa have HDTVs? Mkay. They still have power. So bring a small projector and shine it on a small screen.
http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Portable-Tabletop-Projection-V12H002S4Y/dp/B004OBYYWG/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
I've done work in the middle of a desert with a generator. In any case my 17" MBP would not have lasted all day anyway (3-4 hours under heavy load) and there's a limit to the number of hyperjuice bricks I was going to hump around if on foot. If in a vehicle then you can run off the car power port.
Frankly if your work isn't sitting on a small raid 1 drive you're courting disaster. Especially if you still have a HDD in your MBP and not a SSD. They make relatively compact 2.5" ones.
Actually I don't like a lot of stuff with the new Macbooks but it is what it is. Isn't going to stop me from bitching or buying older Macbooks instead of the latest from Apple so it is their loss.
No it's your loss. Either you're running an underpowered machine or you're switching workflow from Mac to Windows.
You seem unwilling to use any solution other than what you're used to.
/shrug