Yeah, for now iWork '09 works just fine. Eventually compatibility will break I presume. Maybe not: I'm amazed that iWeb still functions even though it's not been updated since what, Snow Leopard days?
Don't get me going ... I love iWeb (and I have every Mac based Web Dev App in existence including long dead ones such as Go Live). Can you imagine what Apple could do with it now? ... Apple maps, Auto hot links to iWork and iLife files shared on iCloud (via widgets), Collaboration, Header data editing, more and better widgets, HTML5 utilities built in (BUY HYPE APPLE) ...
I noticed this just this morning when I clicked the old Pages icon in the dock and found that it launched version 4.3. Then I launched Pages from the new icon in the applications folder and had both running side-by-side for comparison. Interesting.
I came this close to deleting them! Glad I didn't for now. Then again I still have Final Cut Studio (FCPro 7) as well as FCPro X ... but that's just me ...
Don't get me going ... I love iWeb (and I have every Mac based Web Dev App in existence including long dead ones such as Go Live). Can you imagine what Apple could do with it now? ... Apple maps, Auto hot links to iWork and iLife files shared on iCloud (via widgets), Collaboration, Header data editing, more and better widgets, HTML5 utilities built in (BUY HYPE APPLE) ...
Just in case this thread hasn't been sufficiently jacked... ;-)
I also loved iWeb and used it to create several travel journals and did a little bit of blogging with it. With the integration with MobileMe, it was a rather easy way for average folks to create websites (and this coming from a guy who gets paid to build internal websites using PHP, Java, JavaScript, and AJAX against MySQL). It seemed like a short-sighted decision to kill it. Your thoughts take it even further... It's a nice thought, and it was a nice service while it lasted.
I still think without any doubt… That Apple is the best we have out there.
We have to stop comparing them to the Steve Jobs era. Steve Jobs is not with Apple… But then again he's not with any other company either. This is the best we got in my opinion
So, you're saying this total trashy release of software is "AS GOOD IS IT GETS" with the new "good enouf" management?
Like with the iMaps screw up, Apple just chums the water with shit and sees if the user base will eat it up.
Keynote, iMovie, Numbers are all getting hammered in the forums and on the store.
Though I know the media likes to focus on hardware, Apple is also a very big software maker. Will AI write an article about software?
Overall, I am getting the feeling that Apple is in a post-Steve slump and are stumbling a bit. Quite a bit?
What a sensational, and troll-worthy post. Is that last line really necessary, tastelessly dragging up SJ whenever you think it helps you make an anti-Apple quip? Or are you one of those people that revise history to pretend everything was honky dory under Jobs, especially software? It wasn't. Not even close. Every piece of Apple software today is SIGNIFICANTLY better than what it was from those days.
As for those threads..and? 665 posts is supposed to imply a disaster? When we're talking about software that is used by millions? How many of those posts detail actual flaws, and how many are whining about change? Some of Apple's biggest and most forward-thinking decisions - that are obviously the right choice in hindsight- were met with the MOST derision, spanning treads containing tens of thousands of posts on Apple's forums. Everything from the launch of the iPad, to the loss of the optical drives, to moving to SSDs, to making batteries non-removable, to dropping firewire, to making OSX updates download-only, to pretty much every single one of their software updates, and every single launch- has been met with massive threads of disappointment. Yeah, what a disaster all those things were in real life, right? Yes, it seems there is an issue with the new MBPs, which I have no doubt Apple will resolve very soon- just like there's been issues with every single product Apple has ever launched throughout the existence of the company, affecting a minority of people. This is to be expected, with the complexity of hardware and software. It will never be 100% flawless, but I definitely don't see this "post-SJ slump" you're referring to. Mavericks for me has been the best piece of software Apple has ever released, and their recent hardware has all garnered excellent critical reviews, the best in the industry. People seem to want to forget just how criticized SJ was on Apple websites.
Enough with the hyperbole, and try to gain some perspective. That's what support threads are- a whole lot of bitching. The vast majority of people will never experience these issues, and for those that ARE experiencing them, history tells us that a fix is very shortly forth-coming.
Just FYI: Open a Pages doc from iWork '9 that had auto flowing linked text boxes in the new version ... Word to the wise ... sometimes it's worth checking facts before being too adamant. Luckily we all have both versions so it's not the end of the world and I trust Apple will update iWork asap.
What??? TS jumping the gun and ridiculing someone for complaining about an Apple product or software change....instantly pegging them as a troll? We ALL know that never happens...
What??? TS jumping the gun and ridiculing someone for complaining about an Apple product or software change....instantly pegging them as a troll? We ALL know that never happens...
I was very restrained you have to admit
Gotta love the guy though. For every incorrect lambaste he nails ten real trolls.
Just in case this thread hasn't been sufficiently jacked... ;-)
I also loved iWeb and used it to create several travel journals and did a little bit of blogging with it. With the integration with MobileMe, it was a rather easy way for average folks to create websites (and this coming from a guy who gets paid to build internal websites using PHP, Java, JavaScript, and AJAX against MySQL). It seemed like a short-sighted decision to kill it. Your thoughts take it even further... It's a nice thought, and it was a nice service while it lasted.
I still use it, it has great built in FTP, just use a standard hosting space ... it's very intelligent too, only uploads changes.
OK, but you still have the '11 Numbers, right? So not the end of the world. But I agree Apple need to an Excel level app but I'd prefer a pro version and the iWork suite can then stay simple for the average user. A Pro version could then be the Excel killer.
EDit ... I always forget it is iWork '9 and iLife '11. Well I recently learned to say iWork not iWorks so I am making some progress ...
I'm not saying there is nothing positive about the Numbers upgrade. It will continue to get better as Apple gets more feedback from professionals. My blunt comments were meant for those who care about Apple providing the best in order to beat the competition.
What a sensational, and troll-worthy post. Is that last line really necessary, tastelessly dragging up SJ whenever you think it helps you make an anti-Apple quip? Or are you one of those people that revise history to pretend everything was honky dory under Jobs, especially software? It wasn't. Not even close. Every piece of Apple software today is SIGNIFICANTLY better than what it was from those days.
As for those threads..and? 665 posts is supposed to imply a disaster? When we're talking about software that is used by millions? How many of those posts detail actual flaws, and how many are whining about change? Some of Apple's biggest and most forward-thinking decisions - that are obviously the right choice in hindsight- were met with the MOST derision, spanning treads containing tens of thousands of posts on Apple's forums. Everything from the launch of the iPad, to the loss of the optical drives, to moving to SSDs, to making batteries non-removable, to dropping firewire, to making OSX updates download-only, to pretty much every single one of their software updates, and every single launch- has been met with massive threads of disappointment. Yeah, what a disaster all those things were in real life, right? Yes, it seems there is an issue with the new MBPs, which I have no doubt Apple will resolve very soon- just like there's been issues with every single product Apple has ever launched throughout the existence of the company, affecting a minority of people. This is to be expected, with the complexity of hardware and software. It will never be 100% flawless, but I definitely don't see this "post-SJ slump" you're referring to. Mavericks for me has been the best piece of software Apple has ever released, and their recent hardware has all garnered excellent critical reviews, the best in the industry. People seem to want to forget just how criticized SJ was on Apple websites.
Enough with the hyperbole, and try to gain some perspective. That's what support threads are- a whole lot of bitching. The vast majority of people will never experience these issues, and for those that ARE experiencing them, history tells us that a fix is very shortly forth-coming.
It's entirely possible that there is some truth to what he is claiming about a post-Jobs Apple. We all know that Steve expected nothing less than perfect and strived for perfection with every aspect of Apple. An objective look at the present-day Apple makes one think about what's going on there. In all honesty and fairness, were there a similar amount of SW & HW bugs and when Steve was still at the helm?
Makes you think where people get off thinking Apple was any less perfect then than now.
Yep.
To be honest, in the years since 1978 that I've been hooked on, working for or with or just using Apple ... I'd say they are better now than ever. That's not to say I don't miss Steve and his one more things etc. but Apple Inc. is humming along like never before IMHO.
Makes you think where people get off thinking Apple was any less perfect then than now.
Yep.
Your answer accomplished nothing more than making me feel (or anyone posting similar) that we are completely wrong....without providing any citations to prove otherwise.
So what you're saying is that these questions wouldn't have been raised if Steve was still with us or we would accept them as the norm because all is status quo, before and after Steve's death. In other words we are focusing on the bad and wrongly see more because we're trying to look for places to point fingers?
Actually, here's what I THINK might be going on. They had a major announcement date which doesn't change. And to get all of the hardware/software updates ready on the same date? Yeah, right. I think what happens is they give them a date to release new s/w and the developers can't always have everything ready, tested, and with all of the features because a specific release date was mandated by upper management, so they release what they feel most comfortable with (even though features might have been left out or not fully tested) and then they complete everything and THEN they release an update and things get resolved. I don't know how much better they can do it because of these mandated announcement dates, but MAYBE if we send enough submissions to the feedback, they'll improve.
No. I suggest that you try iWork, compare this new version and previous versions before making assumptions. This has little to do with developers not keeping up. This has to do with a conscious decision by Apple to *reset* iWork. Some features have regressed. Some have changed outright. Some folks have compared this to what happened to FCP. Some believe Apple took 2 steps backward on purpose to make iWork consistent across all platforms (iOS, MacOS and iCloud).
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Don't get me going ... I love iWeb (and I have every Mac based Web Dev App in existence including long dead ones such as Go Live). Can you imagine what Apple could do with it now? ... Apple maps, Auto hot links to iWork and iLife files shared on iCloud (via widgets), Collaboration, Header data editing, more and better widgets, HTML5 utilities built in (BUY HYPE APPLE) ...
I came this close to deleting them! Glad I didn't for now. Then again I still have Final Cut Studio (FCPro 7) as well as FCPro X ... but that's just me ...
Let me save you some time: They are GONE.
Don't get me going ... I love iWeb (and I have every Mac based Web Dev App in existence including long dead ones such as Go Live). Can you imagine what Apple could do with it now? ... Apple maps, Auto hot links to iWork and iLife files shared on iCloud (via widgets), Collaboration, Header data editing, more and better widgets, HTML5 utilities built in (BUY HYPE APPLE) ...
Just in case this thread hasn't been sufficiently jacked... ;-)
I also loved iWeb and used it to create several travel journals and did a little bit of blogging with it. With the integration with MobileMe, it was a rather easy way for average folks to create websites (and this coming from a guy who gets paid to build internal websites using PHP, Java, JavaScript, and AJAX against MySQL). It seemed like a short-sighted decision to kill it. Your thoughts take it even further... It's a nice thought, and it was a nice service while it lasted.
So, you're saying this total trashy release of software is "AS GOOD IS IT GETS" with the new "good enouf" management?
Like with the iMaps screw up, Apple just chums the water with shit and sees if the user base will eat it up.
This fall's launches are not looking to be Apple's best. That might be the biggest understatement I've ever made.
The Pages thread is 45 pages long with 665 messages detailing a disaster.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5473697?tstart=0
Keynote, iMovie, Numbers are all getting hammered in the forums and on the store.
Though I know the media likes to focus on hardware, Apple is also a very big software maker. Will AI write an article about software?
Overall, I am getting the feeling that Apple is in a post-Steve slump and are stumbling a bit. Quite a bit?
What a sensational, and troll-worthy post. Is that last line really necessary, tastelessly dragging up SJ whenever you think it helps you make an anti-Apple quip? Or are you one of those people that revise history to pretend everything was honky dory under Jobs, especially software? It wasn't. Not even close. Every piece of Apple software today is SIGNIFICANTLY better than what it was from those days.
As for those threads..and? 665 posts is supposed to imply a disaster? When we're talking about software that is used by millions? How many of those posts detail actual flaws, and how many are whining about change? Some of Apple's biggest and most forward-thinking decisions - that are obviously the right choice in hindsight- were met with the MOST derision, spanning treads containing tens of thousands of posts on Apple's forums. Everything from the launch of the iPad, to the loss of the optical drives, to moving to SSDs, to making batteries non-removable, to dropping firewire, to making OSX updates download-only, to pretty much every single one of their software updates, and every single launch- has been met with massive threads of disappointment. Yeah, what a disaster all those things were in real life, right? Yes, it seems there is an issue with the new MBPs, which I have no doubt Apple will resolve very soon- just like there's been issues with every single product Apple has ever launched throughout the existence of the company, affecting a minority of people. This is to be expected, with the complexity of hardware and software. It will never be 100% flawless, but I definitely don't see this "post-SJ slump" you're referring to. Mavericks for me has been the best piece of software Apple has ever released, and their recent hardware has all garnered excellent critical reviews, the best in the industry. People seem to want to forget just how criticized SJ was on Apple websites.
Enough with the hyperbole, and try to gain some perspective. That's what support threads are- a whole lot of bitching. The vast majority of people will never experience these issues, and for those that ARE experiencing them, history tells us that a fix is very shortly forth-coming.
Just FYI: Open a Pages doc from iWork '9 that had auto flowing linked text boxes in the new version ... Word to the wise ... sometimes it's worth checking facts before being too adamant. Luckily we all have both versions so it's not the end of the world and I trust Apple will update iWork asap.
What??? TS jumping the gun and ridiculing someone for complaining about an Apple product or software change....instantly pegging them as a troll? We ALL know that never happens...
+1 Hahaha. Could not have said it any better.
Sorry. Double post. Getting old ...
Sorry that was supposed to be pulling TS's leg ... I know they are gone!
I was very restrained you have to admit
Gotta love the guy though. For every incorrect lambaste he nails ten real trolls.
I was planning to upgrade my MBP, but I think I'll wait for the next refresh.
Why? Mavericks is awesome and solid as a rock.
I still use it, it has great built in FTP, just use a standard hosting space ... it's very intelligent too, only uploads changes.
OK, but you still have the '11 Numbers, right? So not the end of the world. But I agree Apple need to an Excel level app but I'd prefer a pro version and the iWork suite can then stay simple for the average user. A Pro version could then be the Excel killer.
EDit ... I always forget it is iWork '9 and iLife '11. Well I recently learned to say iWork not iWorks so I am making some progress ...
I'm not saying there is nothing positive about the Numbers upgrade. It will continue to get better as Apple gets more feedback from professionals. My blunt comments were meant for those who care about Apple providing the best in order to beat the competition.
What a sensational, and troll-worthy post. Is that last line really necessary, tastelessly dragging up SJ whenever you think it helps you make an anti-Apple quip? Or are you one of those people that revise history to pretend everything was honky dory under Jobs, especially software? It wasn't. Not even close. Every piece of Apple software today is SIGNIFICANTLY better than what it was from those days.
As for those threads..and? 665 posts is supposed to imply a disaster? When we're talking about software that is used by millions? How many of those posts detail actual flaws, and how many are whining about change? Some of Apple's biggest and most forward-thinking decisions - that are obviously the right choice in hindsight- were met with the MOST derision, spanning treads containing tens of thousands of posts on Apple's forums. Everything from the launch of the iPad, to the loss of the optical drives, to moving to SSDs, to making batteries non-removable, to dropping firewire, to making OSX updates download-only, to pretty much every single one of their software updates, and every single launch- has been met with massive threads of disappointment. Yeah, what a disaster all those things were in real life, right? Yes, it seems there is an issue with the new MBPs, which I have no doubt Apple will resolve very soon- just like there's been issues with every single product Apple has ever launched throughout the existence of the company, affecting a minority of people. This is to be expected, with the complexity of hardware and software. It will never be 100% flawless, but I definitely don't see this "post-SJ slump" you're referring to. Mavericks for me has been the best piece of software Apple has ever released, and their recent hardware has all garnered excellent critical reviews, the best in the industry. People seem to want to forget just how criticized SJ was on Apple websites.
Enough with the hyperbole, and try to gain some perspective. That's what support threads are- a whole lot of bitching. The vast majority of people will never experience these issues, and for those that ARE experiencing them, history tells us that a fix is very shortly forth-coming.
It's entirely possible that there is some truth to what he is claiming about a post-Jobs Apple. We all know that Steve expected nothing less than perfect and strived for perfection with every aspect of Apple. An objective look at the present-day Apple makes one think about what's going on there. In all honesty and fairness, were there a similar amount of SW & HW bugs and when Steve was still at the helm?
But didn’t always receive it.
Makes you think where people get off thinking Apple was any less perfect then than now.
Yep.
To be honest, in the years since 1978 that I've been hooked on, working for or with or just using Apple ... I'd say they are better now than ever. That's not to say I don't miss Steve and his one more things etc. but Apple Inc. is humming along like never before IMHO.
But didn’t always receive it.
Makes you think where people get off thinking Apple was any less perfect then than now.
Yep.
Your answer accomplished nothing more than making me feel (or anyone posting similar) that we are completely wrong....without providing any citations to prove otherwise.
So what you're saying is that these questions wouldn't have been raised if Steve was still with us or we would accept them as the norm because all is status quo, before and after Steve's death. In other words we are focusing on the bad and wrongly see more because we're trying to look for places to point fingers?
Actually, here's what I THINK might be going on. They had a major announcement date which doesn't change. And to get all of the hardware/software updates ready on the same date? Yeah, right. I think what happens is they give them a date to release new s/w and the developers can't always have everything ready, tested, and with all of the features because a specific release date was mandated by upper management, so they release what they feel most comfortable with (even though features might have been left out or not fully tested) and then they complete everything and THEN they release an update and things get resolved. I don't know how much better they can do it because of these mandated announcement dates, but MAYBE if we send enough submissions to the feedback, they'll improve.
No. I suggest that you try iWork, compare this new version and previous versions before making assumptions. This has little to do with developers not keeping up. This has to do with a conscious decision by Apple to *reset* iWork. Some features have regressed. Some have changed outright. Some folks have compared this to what happened to FCP. Some believe Apple took 2 steps backward on purpose to make iWork consistent across all platforms (iOS, MacOS and iCloud).
All to say, let's not make stuff up.