Talk about out of network lol
That's because the regulation was that it had be to be off. Which is part the change. Doesn't have to be powered off but has to be in airplane mode and not free sitting on a tray etc during takeoff and landing where it could fall.
It will likely be firmly defined to anything where you are talking out. into a phone, into an iPad with FaceTime etc. The idea is that you aren't being a jerk to fellow passengers by making noise.
theothergeoff wrote: »
Oh, and what is FaceTime over WiFi (I did that on Delta last spring)... is that "voice communications" and therefore banned on iPhones, but allowed on iPads and MacBooks?
Or do they mean ?cellular telephone calls'?
Things will get worse before they get better.
This entire argument would be less hostile if the FAA would tell the truth about the use of these devices. The truth is:
1. Nobody really knows for sure if using a device can cause trouble on an airplane in flight.
2. So many pilots, and their regulators in the FAA are of the opinion that it would be best to not use these devices during the takeoff and landing phase of flight. just in case.
3. The likelihood of a device that is not transmitting can cause trouble is infinitesimally low.
4. The chance that a device which is transmitting (e.g., a cellphone conversation) is really low, but how would you like to be on the flight that crashed on takeoff due to a cellular transmission? That would make it 100% for you...wouldn't it? Want to find out the hard way?
5. The real (possible) problem has noting to do with the navigation. It has to do with the fact that almost all airliners today use flight controls that are controlled by computers which take inputs from the pilot's controls and convert them into electrical signals that, in turn activate the flight controls. That's the fear of those of us who are concerned.
6. Yes. All the wires are shielded. But are they shielded for all different types of inputs? No. Costs too much. And every RF transmission that crosses a wire (to shielded for that specific RF freq) has the potential to cause a voltage jump.
7. When the airplane is close to the ground there is a very limited time to do something about a pending crash caused by spurious flight control inputs.
8. I agree. It's really nice to be able to make calls at all times. That's what makes cellphones so darn useful. But is it really too much to ask that people refrain from transmitting for 15 minutes for takeoff and another 15 for landing? I mean...since the truth is that no one really, really knows for sure?
9. How would you like to lose your life because someone else on the plane though their conversation was so critical that it was more important than your life?
10. Someday this will no longer be a problem because an increasing number of planes will have optical circuitry instead of electrical. then the problem will become moot. (I think)
And I have to sympathize with all who are frustrated by the fact that each crew and each airline seems to treat the subject differently. Often is is airline policy to deal with the situation in a specific way (Airplane mode...v...Full off). Sometimes it is no more than an overcautious (and sometimes arrogant and hostile) lead flight attendant who makes the decision.
not a perfect system at all. But the facts are still the facts.
A few things: From the question: iPads further restrict a pilots visibility how?
When we land using instruments only, things like the compass can become very important. Think about this situation. Heavy clouds down to 300 feet, all is going great on a instrument landing, random power issue, instruments go down. All I have is my compass.
Then, the kicker, was on a check flight the other day and made a joke about this issue. My check pilot pulled out his iPhone and asked me to watch the compass, and wow, it spun about 5 degrees.
5 degrees is enough to put the above aircraft off the runway.
I agree, long shot, but is possible. The other item that has not been discussed much is all those phones in a bad landing are no longer phones, they become the thing that just knocked your 'I have to have my game going during landing' head. Just like the guy who is up to use the restroom is the guy that just took out a row of passengers. Does not happen often, but does happen, and as someone who travels a good amount, why not error on the side of safety.
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It's about time. I've always ignored the stupid rule anyway, so it won't change how I operate.