Hmmm. I took it to mean don't connect to the internet using the TV but connect to the internet using AppleTV box. Does that not solve the problem of the TV spying on you?
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Yes of course. I trust Apple way more than I trust any of these other companies with my information.
I have an Apple TV, and that's the way to go.
I was merely referring to the people who buy these so-called smart TV's and use them to access the content. I don't really care about those people, and if all of their viewing habits and private info is being collected, then that's their problem.
Yes of course. I trust Apple way more than I trust any of these other companies with my information.
I have an Apple TV, and that's the way to go.
I was merely referring to the people who buy these so-called smart TV's and use them to access the content. I don't really care about those people, and if all of their viewing habits and private info is being collected, then that's their problem.
Thanks, Apple ][, I was just making sure I understood! I feel the same way about Apple, too!
Apple's future smart TV should just be regular TV with no advertising and just great content on a great display in a package that is dang sexy. Smart does not equal "advertising the crap out of your consumers".
One day (hopefully soon), the spying that Apple's competitors (Amazon, Google, LG, etc) engage in will blow up in their face. I respect Apple precisely because they make money by selling "things" (devices, media, apps) and not trolled data of users.
Absolutely agree.
What LG is doing is arrogant. First, they charge you a premium price for premium features. Then they force you to accept T&C to use those T&C. They hide the opt-out feature and disable it so your set still sends information.
You pay for a premium service such as Netflix and the privilege to not be bombarded by ads.
And, then LG thumbs it's nose at you, and sends you targeted ads on top of the premium service even though you paid to not receive the ads.
To add to it, they blame the retailer if you object and tell you to go pound sand basically.
Then, to add to the injury, if your internet provider charges you for your bandwidth, the LG set uses additional, albeit small, amounts of bandwidth on your internet connection.
Responsible corporations don't behave in this manner.
All of this represents one of the reasons why I respect the company and buy Apple products. It's yet another reason to not buy non-Apple products.
When people stop using services like Facebook and Google (both of whom track everything you do) and products from companies such as Samsung and, now LG, these invasive, arrogant and often dishonest practices will stop.
The best way to stop it? Stop buying the products. And, tell retailers why you won't buy the products of those companies. If enough of us complain enough, word will get back.
Apple's future smart TV should just be regular TV with no advertising and just great content on a great display in a package that is dang sexy. Smart does not equal "advertising the crap out of your consumers".
It's yet another reason to not buy non-Apple products.
There's always going to be cheapskates around who base their buying decisions solely on price.
If they can get a ripoff product for a few bucks cheaper, they'll do that, never mind that they'll have to give away their first born and sign a pact with the devil. Hey, it was a few bucks cheaper, so it was worth it for the ignoramuses.
What LG is doing is arrogant. First, they charge you a premium price for premium features. Then they force you to accept T&C to use those T&C. They hide the opt-out feature and disable it so your set still sends information.
You pay for a premium service such as Netflix and the privilege to not be bombarded by ads.
And, then LG thumbs it's nose at you, and sends you targeted ads on top of the premium service even though you paid to not receive the ads.
To add to it, they blame the retailer if you object and tell you to go pound sand basically.
Then, to add to the injury, if your internet provider charges you for your bandwidth, the LG set uses additional, albeit small, amounts of bandwidth on your internet connection.
Responsible corporations don't behave in this manner.
All of this represents one of the reasons why I respect the company and buy Apple products. It's yet another reason to not buy non-Apple products.
When people stop using services like Facebook and Google (both of whom track everything you do) and products from companies such as Samsung and, now LG, these invasive, arrogant and often dishonest practices will stop.
The best way to stop it? Stop buying the products. And, tell retailers why you won't buy the products of those companies. If enough of us complain enough, word will get back.
I have to agree with you, Maca...I only buy Apple tech (HW/SW) for the exact reasons you state here. If Apple doesn't make it, I won't buy it.
I didn't buy a stand alone GPS unit, back in the day, b/c they were crappy. Did buy the iOS TomTom App ($30) a few years ago and now use Apple Maps.
As the iPhone camera became better, flash, optics, SW, etc., I sold my thin point-and-shoot Casio. (One less thing to carry or more likely forget to carry!)
I won't buy a DSLR b/c they're heavy and have crappy SW (interfaces). Did like Ives's take on the Leica, though!
I do have a Motorola modem (wish Apple would make one) and a Brother MFC printer. Don't have a TV but would like to get one soon.
P.S. I should say I do buy third party Apps on the Apple AppStore. I do have some confidence they have been vetted by Apple and pretty much go with the recommendations of MacWorld.
I purchased two TVs this past weekend. In each store I visited, I asked which brands they see the most returns from.
In all cases, LGs are only a notch above the very worst for defect returns (i.e., no-name store brands, and anything from Thompson). I went with a Panasonic, and a Sony Bravia.
I usually like Panny's, but they seem to have also jumped on the home-screen-UI bandwagon this year [bleah].
What types of targeted advertising would one receive based on this information?
Don’t some games set in a modern world have real, rotating advertisements on in-game billboards? Enemy comes around the corner, you frag him, his blood splatters all over a Cialis ad.
There is nothing wrong with an LG TV, just buy the non-smart version. Or if you get a deal on the smart version, keep it off your network and keep it "dumb".
This all plays into Apple's hand nicely. Apple bases all its business on hardware sales. They may track you to improve the service they offer you but there is no value for Apple to use your data beyond providing a great service in order to sell product. That is distinctly different from the pack who looks at advertising as a revenue stream to pad out low profit margins.
Because Apple sells premium products at often premium prices their customer demographic is an advertiser's wet dream which in turn gives Apple extraordinary power. The reason Apple allows advertising is not to pad out their own bottom line, but to help their developers. (Ironically the customers advertisers try to reach through app ads in the IOS eco system are willing to pay the extra few bucks to remove the ads for good).
I always imagined Apple would use iAds as a way to offer free or cheaper content on Apple TV to users who didn't want to pay extra. I have very mixed feelings about this as I am not a huge fan of ads on TV. I feel confident Apple would not stoop to interrupting a feature every few minutes at the movie's most critical point with ads, however. I am fine with ads during sports.
Use an ATV as the main input/source to connect to the internet watch content, (NetFlix, PBS, etc.).
Do I have this right? Did I miss anything?
More importantly, know the Terms & Conditions of any service. That's not an excuse for the kind of data collection overreach by LG (they have no business reporting the contents of my USB drives, for example), and IMO, one should be able to opt-out, turn-off, or better still, require explicit opt-in (the way iTunes Genius Recommendations works).
However, what I think LG should do has nothing to do with the reality of the company is doing. So technically, the only choices left for this person is to choose NOT to use LG TVs, or to not connect it to the Internet.
Ok, I bought a Samsung TV a few years ago and it blacks out regularly. I'll never knowingly buy anything from them again. Now LG, which I thought makes some of the screens/monitors for Apple, is doing things as bad as Google. This means no LG TV. Who's left that we can actually trust to make a large TV that doesn't spy on us? My daughter has a Visio and she likes it. Who makes their components?
Daniel, I'd like to see something a little different from you. Would you be willing to do the research necessary to document who makes the components for the typical TVs and include a part documenting the spyware each contains? This isn't typical Apple-related, at least not until Apple figures out a way to produce a valid Apple TV product.
note: I signed up for the PBS station on AppleTV yesterday and now my local PBS station has my contact information and probably knows everything I watch. The only way to stop this is to try and cancel my PBS account, which shuts down my ability to watch their shows on-line or through AppleTV. Unfortunately, this looks like the wave of the future but at least with PBS we can control who gets our viewing history.
Does turning off location services for Apple TV stop the tracking but still allow you to watch the channels such as PBS? That begs the question as to why there's location services, and why the default is ON, in the first place. My guess it's for user tracking with regard to advertising but not entirely certain.
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Hmmm. I took it to mean don't connect to the internet using the TV but connect to the internet using AppleTV box. Does that not solve the problem of the TV spying on you?
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Yes of course. I trust Apple way more than I trust any of these other companies with my information.
I have an Apple TV, and that's the way to go.
I was merely referring to the people who buy these so-called smart TV's and use them to access the content. I don't really care about those people, and if all of their viewing habits and private info is being collected, then that's their problem.
Yes of course. I trust Apple way more than I trust any of these other companies with my information.
I have an Apple TV, and that's the way to go.
I was merely referring to the people who buy these so-called smart TV's and use them to access the content. I don't really care about those people, and if all of their viewing habits and private info is being collected, then that's their problem.
Thanks, Apple ][, I was just making sure I understood!
I feel the same way about Apple, too! 
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NSA: "but but but it's just metadataaaaaa!!!"
Thanks, Apple ][, I was just making sure I understood!
I feel the same way about Apple, too! 
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Yeah, we're on the same page. :-)
It's fairly obvious that companies like Google that make almost all of their profits from advertising are in the business of raping users.
What LG is doing is arrogant. First, they charge you a premium price for premium features. Then they force you to accept T&C to use those T&C. They hide the opt-out feature and disable it so your set still sends information.
You pay for a premium service such as Netflix and the privilege to not be bombarded by ads.
And, then LG thumbs it's nose at you, and sends you targeted ads on top of the premium service even though you paid to not receive the ads.
To add to it, they blame the retailer if you object and tell you to go pound sand basically.
Then, to add to the injury, if your internet provider charges you for your bandwidth, the LG set uses additional, albeit small, amounts of bandwidth on your internet connection.
Responsible corporations don't behave in this manner.
All of this represents one of the reasons why I respect the company and buy Apple products. It's yet another reason to not buy non-Apple products.
When people stop using services like Facebook and Google (both of whom track everything you do) and products from companies such as Samsung and, now LG, these invasive, arrogant and often dishonest practices will stop.
The best way to stop it? Stop buying the products. And, tell retailers why you won't buy the products of those companies. If enough of us complain enough, word will get back.
Apple's future smart TV should just be regular TV with no advertising and just great content on a great display in a package that is dang sexy. Smart does not equal "advertising the crap out of your consumers".
I would love to see that!
It's yet another reason to not buy non-Apple products.
There's always going to be cheapskates around who base their buying decisions solely on price.
If they can get a ripoff product for a few bucks cheaper, they'll do that, never mind that they'll have to give away their first born and sign a pact with the devil. Hey, it was a few bucks cheaper, so it was worth it for the ignoramuses.
Absolutely agree.
What LG is doing is arrogant. First, they charge you a premium price for premium features. Then they force you to accept T&C to use those T&C. They hide the opt-out feature and disable it so your set still sends information.
You pay for a premium service such as Netflix and the privilege to not be bombarded by ads.
And, then LG thumbs it's nose at you, and sends you targeted ads on top of the premium service even though you paid to not receive the ads.
To add to it, they blame the retailer if you object and tell you to go pound sand basically.
Then, to add to the injury, if your internet provider charges you for your bandwidth, the LG set uses additional, albeit small, amounts of bandwidth on your internet connection.
Responsible corporations don't behave in this manner.
All of this represents one of the reasons why I respect the company and buy Apple products. It's yet another reason to not buy non-Apple products.
When people stop using services like Facebook and Google (both of whom track everything you do) and products from companies such as Samsung and, now LG, these invasive, arrogant and often dishonest practices will stop.
The best way to stop it? Stop buying the products. And, tell retailers why you won't buy the products of those companies. If enough of us complain enough, word will get back.
I have to agree with you, Maca...I only buy Apple tech (HW/SW) for the exact reasons you state here. If Apple doesn't make it, I won't buy it.
I didn't buy a stand alone GPS unit, back in the day, b/c they were crappy. Did buy the iOS TomTom App ($30) a few years ago and now use Apple Maps.
As the iPhone camera became better, flash, optics, SW, etc., I sold my thin point-and-shoot Casio. (One less thing to carry or more likely forget to carry!)
I won't buy a DSLR b/c they're heavy and have crappy SW (interfaces). Did like Ives's take on the Leica, though!
I do have a Motorola modem (wish Apple would make one) and a Brother MFC printer. Don't have a TV but would like to get one soon.
P.S. I should say I do buy third party Apps on the Apple AppStore. I do have some confidence they have been vetted by Apple and pretty much go with the recommendations of MacWorld.
Are we sure LG is a SOUTH Korean company not NORTH Korean?
Funny! Made me laugh, Tundra!
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What types of targeted advertising would one receive based on this information?
I purchased two TVs this past weekend. In each store I visited, I asked which brands they see the most returns from.
In all cases, LGs are only a notch above the very worst for defect returns (i.e., no-name store brands, and anything from Thompson). I went with a Panasonic, and a Sony Bravia.
I usually like Panny's, but they seem to have also jumped on the home-screen-UI bandwagon this year [bleah].
Don’t some games set in a modern world have real, rotating advertisements on in-game billboards? Enemy comes around the corner, you frag him, his blood splatters all over a Cialis ad.
B&O
How much is the restock fee?
This all plays into Apple's hand nicely. Apple bases all its business on hardware sales. They may track you to improve the service they offer you but there is no value for Apple to use your data beyond providing a great service in order to sell product. That is distinctly different from the pack who looks at advertising as a revenue stream to pad out low profit margins.
Because Apple sells premium products at often premium prices their customer demographic is an advertiser's wet dream which in turn gives Apple extraordinary power. The reason Apple allows advertising is not to pad out their own bottom line, but to help their developers. (Ironically the customers advertisers try to reach through app ads in the IOS eco system are willing to pay the extra few bucks to remove the ads for good).
I always imagined Apple would use iAds as a way to offer free or cheaper content on Apple TV to users who didn't want to pay extra. I have very mixed feelings about this as I am not a huge fan of ads on TV. I feel confident Apple would not stoop to interrupting a feature every few minutes at the movie's most critical point with ads, however. I am fine with ads during sports.
More importantly, know the Terms & Conditions of any service. That's not an excuse for the kind of data collection overreach by LG (they have no business reporting the contents of my USB drives, for example), and IMO, one should be able to opt-out, turn-off, or better still, require explicit opt-in (the way iTunes Genius Recommendations works).
However, what I think LG should do has nothing to do with the reality of the company is doing. So technically, the only choices left for this person is to choose NOT to use LG TVs, or to not connect it to the Internet.
Yes, for two reasons:
1. Trade restrictions exist with NK
2. They just recently got Internet.
Does turning off location services for Apple TV stop the tracking but still allow you to watch the channels such as PBS? That begs the question as to why there's location services, and why the default is ON, in the first place. My guess it's for user tracking with regard to advertising but not entirely certain.