First, this and other articles, ignore that Apple is a key member of the USB Standards body.
Second that there seems to be MUCH confusion as to the features, capabilities, and use cases for this, Lightning, and Thunderbolt. If USB goes the way of Lightning that's a win for all, including Apple.
What is missing however, again here and other like articles, is that we have competition and that's good for all. If there was no lightning I'm pretty confident there would be no new connector just as if had their not been the old 400 Firewire I would argue that there wouldn't have been a USB 2.0 later 3.0 from FW800 in the timeframes they appeared. These things accelerate development and good ideas bubble up.
Sadly people are too quick to claim Apple creates things such as ADB, ADC, Firewire, 30-pin, Lightning, Thunderbolt,etc., to extract more $$$ and prevent others from entry. There may be some of that which results but the real story is Apple is manic in creating thinner, faster, greater functionality products, and where standards bodies can take years to approve a something like this and even longer for OEM's to support, Apple has no hesitation to go on its own when it feels it can offer a more compelling solution and gain competitive advantage. It's also the case that when these Apple developed technologies are caught up by standards they are dropped for the standard or replaced by an even more compelling Apple offering. It's really pretty simple!
In my view...once this settles...we all win...again including Apple.
VGA + Mini VGA = 2, which is certainly better than USB.
At least you know what I’m talking about now. There’s only one Thunderbolt and one Lightning, after all.
And yet you still can't even go Thunderbolt to lightning (and probably never will). That's the point. Thunderbolt devices (capacity relies on the underlying mini Display Port) require a chip on the other end, so not really that universal, no, but they are one size. Lightning is proprietary from the start, so that's as good as saying some Nokia or samsung crap phone connector is universal cause it's one size and...Of course that fact that Lightning only works with a USB connection makes this whole convo pretty ironic.
You guys are fools to think that Apple isn't already on board with this emerging standard. Frankly it looks like Apple had a hand in the design, you know smaller and reversible. Apple know damn well that TB and USB are largely playing in different fields.
All those will connect in a type A socket? What are you smoking? Or do you have a keychain full of converter dongles?
While you can convert back and forth between mini/micro whatever, the other end for the host is nearly always Type A receptacle, no?
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Without wanting to respond to the discussion at hand, I think it's either audio (headphone) jacks or RJ-45.
Audio is definitely out, there's a ton of TS connectors, just because 3.5mm is common on mobile now, doesn't make it the only or universal, and I think the discussion revolves around digital data connections here generally anyway. RJ-45 though, could be the winner. Good call.
I believe this is when Fandroids start gushing uncontrollably about how smart and awesome reversible connectors are. Because it's stupid and greedy when Apple does it.
This is exciting stuff and long overdue (although probably early for the USB committee).
Now who wants to run through old posts to find where people disparaged Lightning as being pointlessly small and reversible just to pair them up with comments of the news of USB finally catching up?
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First, this and other articles, ignore that Apple is a key member of the USB Standards body.
Second that there seems to be MUCH confusion as to the features, capabilities, and use cases for this, Lightning, and Thunderbolt. If USB goes the way of Lightning that's a win for all, including Apple.
What is missing however, again here and other like articles, is that we have competition and that's good for all. If there was no lightning I'm pretty confident there would be no new connector just as if had their not been the old 400 Firewire I would argue that there wouldn't have been a USB 2.0 later 3.0 from FW800 in the timeframes they appeared. These things accelerate development and good ideas bubble up.
Sadly people are too quick to claim Apple creates things such as ADB, ADC, Firewire, 30-pin, Lightning, Thunderbolt,etc., to extract more $$$ and prevent others from entry. There may be some of that which results but the real story is Apple is manic in creating thinner, faster, greater functionality products, and where standards bodies can take years to approve a something like this and even longer for OEM's to support, Apple has no hesitation to go on its own when it feels it can offer a more compelling solution and gain competitive advantage. It's also the case that when these Apple developed technologies are caught up by standards they are dropped for the standard or replaced by an even more compelling Apple offering. It's really pretty simple!
In my view...once this settles...we all win...again including Apple.
So the fact that all of those will connect in a type A socket means that they're not universal? News to me.
Guess no one told you your fancy new Lightning Cable is really USB too. Oops.
All those will connect in a type A socket? What are you smoking? Or do you have a keychain full of converter dongles?
Without wanting to respond to the discussion at hand, I think it's either audio (headphone) jacks or RJ-45.
You're specifically talking about Android fanboys. They're idiots. Ignore them.
Apple has some pretty serious patents on the lightning connector. I wonder how USB group will deal with that.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/10/apple-granted-36-patents-today-covering-the-lightning-connector-micro-sim-assembly-future-ipad-materials-more.html
VGA + Mini VGA = 2, which is certainly better than USB.
At least you know what I’m talking about now. There’s only one Thunderbolt and one Lightning, after all.
And yet you still can't even go Thunderbolt to lightning (and probably never will). That's the point. Thunderbolt devices (capacity relies on the underlying mini Display Port) require a chip on the other end, so not really that universal, no, but they are one size. Lightning is proprietary from the start, so that's as good as saying some Nokia or samsung crap phone connector is universal cause it's one size and...Of course that fact that Lightning only works with a USB connection makes this whole convo pretty ironic.
And replace it with what?
All those will connect in a type A socket? What are you smoking? Or do you have a keychain full of converter dongles?
While you can convert back and forth between mini/micro whatever, the other end for the host is nearly always Type A receptacle, no?
Without wanting to respond to the discussion at hand, I think it's either audio (headphone) jacks or RJ-45.
Audio is definitely out, there's a ton of TS connectors, just because 3.5mm is common on mobile now, doesn't make it the only or universal, and I think the discussion revolves around digital data connections here generally anyway. RJ-45 though, could be the winner. Good call.
USB looks like it was designed by standards committees (plural). Which makes it all the more standard(s).
Yep, it's either the Jack. Plug or men and women ....:D
Can you imagine a flash drive with a tiny plug like that?
Let's hope it's [I]very[/I] strong, reliable and durable.
I tried telling him that that it's USB to Lightning but he wouldn't listen.
Because you did no such thing, don’t comprehend what’s going on now, and didn’t comprehend what was going on then, either.
...with cables the size of fire hoses?
Those were the days when computers looked like they meant business!
I sure did, just because you don't remember doesn’t mean that I didn't.
Now who wants to run through old posts to find where people disparaged Lightning as being pointlessly small and reversible just to pair them up with comments of the news of USB finally catching up?
Being strong, reliable and durable are definitely the weak points I see for USB. They don't have a good track record with any small port interface.
What?! In no way does the micro-USB3.0 Type C connector affect Thunderbolt.
And a printer cable alone cost as much a color ink jet printer on Amazon.