why isn't he getting the latest BB device that looks and kind of functions like an iPhone? isn't that secure?
so the iPhone is not secure, but the iPad the president has, that runs the same iOS software as the iPhone, is secure enough that he's allowed to use.. Isn't that stupid?
His campaign certainly used a metric ton of iPhones! I volunteered, and although I was a grunt at the bottom end, many organizers above me had campaign-issued iPhones which were used for all kinds of things. It was a well-oiled machine that looked like chaos on the surface but was super-efficient and detail-focused in reality--and iPhones were a part of that. (As were banks of plain-old computers of course, which is where I came in.)
I can definitely see why jumping on the latest new advances is NOT good for security though!
Yea. You wouldn't think the rollout of the ACA would be such a cluster because of this, but an election campaign and a government agency are very different animals. Campaigns can hire the 'best and brightest' and use whatever technology they see fit to accomplish the task. Government agencies must follow Federal procurement laws and use 'approved' standards. It's one thing for people to listen in on a call you make to a potential voter and something altogether different when the President is calling the Secretary of State.
FWIW, I volunteered in 2008 and 2012 and used my iPhone and Mac both times...
The issue is not strictly the device, but the security of networks that the device utilizes. Early on, RIM developed it's back end servers to meet the security needs of service providers, corporations, and government agencies.
The classic BlackBerry infrastructure requires all traffic to be tunneled through a proxy server. It was designed that way because the original Mobitex and DataTAC networks were basically 2-way pager networks, they didn't understand IP. This had some benefits: you can switch between Wi-Fi and cellular on the fly without dropping a connection. The mail client actually ran on a server, not your phone. This let you do push e-mail without using any battery because the server would handle the connection.
The disadvantage is that 100% of traffic passed through one data center in Canada. Remember the outages? This also means that's a single point for spying. Your phone doesn't access your e-mail, a server in Canada does. The reason why BES tunnels data encrypted is to fix this vulnerability. Even if you have BES, the traffic still travels through RIM servers in Canada.
BlackBerry security is largely a myth. For example, there's no code signing or hardware encryption long after the iPhone came out with those features.
so the iPhone is not secure, but the iPad the president has, that runs the same iOS software as the iPhone, is secure enough that he's allowed to use..
Isn't that stupid?
It may be that he only uses the iPad for web-surfing, reading and/or watching videos. It's probably still on a secure wifi or broadband network. No email, messaging, or VoIP-video chat...
why isn't he getting the latest BB device that looks and kind of functions like an iPhone? isn't that secure?
so the iPhone is not secure, but the iPad the president has, that runs the same iOS software as the iPhone, is secure enough that he's allowed to use..
Uh, iOS is pretty fucking secure. It just shows how behind and backwards the federal government is at updating their protocols. There's a fucking problem when the President is only allowed to use a 7 year old phone with an obsolete OS because of "security".
Frankly, there are still security concerns about the Blackberry he uses, or him using a cellphone at all. He also has been photographed repeatedly violating communications security protocols with that stupid Blackberry, such as making calls on it right next to his secured landline (which interferes with the encryption and can allow for eavesdropping). Many TCSM professionals have commented on this. Him not using an iPhone is a nonissue, IMO.
What an inflammatory piece of yellow journalism. Being able to pose with an iPhone does not make you tech savvy. Obama has demonstrated a remarkable ability to not grasp technology nor the business world. The list of failure his administration has created is long but includes the like of A123, Soylandra and many others. In a nut shel he doesn't have a clue about technology.
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When your development team tells your project managers "we need three to six months to test this new website", and you find out the hard way on launch day that they only scheduled three weeks for testing, well, someone wasn't very tech savvy....
Oh, I'm sure he'd rather use whatever his focus-group polling tells him would be the best received in photo ops (the iPhone I'm certain), but for now, "Since the Secret Service likes his Blackberry, he'll keep his Blackberry. Period."
Lest you all forget, it wasn't a given that Obama was allowed to use the BB at the beginning of his first term. He had to convince the NSA to allow him to use it. And it has been rumoured that he doesn't use a standard issue BB, as NSA added an extra layer of encryption to the device.
"Due to security reasons, we are no longer permitted to implement battleships. We will instead deploy this last-remaining awesome Viking ship. I am assured of its efficacy, despite there being only seven people on board, six of whom are dedicated to bailing water."
Well, a battleship does have a much higher radar signature
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so the iPhone is not secure, but the iPad the president has, that runs the same iOS software as the iPhone, is secure enough that he's allowed to use..
Isn't that stupid?
Yea. You wouldn't think the rollout of the ACA would be such a cluster because of this, but an election campaign and a government agency are very different animals. Campaigns can hire the 'best and brightest' and use whatever technology they see fit to accomplish the task. Government agencies must follow Federal procurement laws and use 'approved' standards. It's one thing for people to listen in on a call you make to a potential voter and something altogether different when the President is calling the Secretary of State.
FWIW, I volunteered in 2008 and 2012 and used my iPhone and Mac both times...
The issue is not strictly the device, but the security of networks that the device utilizes. Early on, RIM developed it's back end servers to meet the security needs of service providers, corporations, and government agencies.
The classic BlackBerry infrastructure requires all traffic to be tunneled through a proxy server. It was designed that way because the original Mobitex and DataTAC networks were basically 2-way pager networks, they didn't understand IP. This had some benefits: you can switch between Wi-Fi and cellular on the fly without dropping a connection. The mail client actually ran on a server, not your phone. This let you do push e-mail without using any battery because the server would handle the connection.
The disadvantage is that 100% of traffic passed through one data center in Canada. Remember the outages? This also means that's a single point for spying. Your phone doesn't access your e-mail, a server in Canada does. The reason why BES tunnels data encrypted is to fix this vulnerability. Even if you have BES, the traffic still travels through RIM servers in Canada.
BlackBerry security is largely a myth. For example, there's no code signing or hardware encryption long after the iPhone came out with those features.
What does Putin use?
In Russia, the phone uses Putin!
It may be that he only uses the iPad for web-surfing, reading and/or watching videos. It's probably still on a secure wifi or broadband network. No email, messaging, or VoIP-video chat...
why isn't he getting the latest BB device that looks and kind of functions like an iPhone? isn't that secure?
so the iPhone is not secure, but the iPad the president has, that runs the same iOS software as the iPhone, is secure enough that he's allowed to use..
Isn't that stupid?
iPad without GPS.
Uh, iOS is pretty fucking secure. It just shows how behind and backwards the federal government is at updating their protocols. There's a fucking problem when the President is only allowed to use a 7 year old phone with an obsolete OS because of "security".
Don't all Crackberry communications go through Cannuckistan?
Lol, a large percentage of America only cares about which phones the Kardashians use.
Frankly, there are still security concerns about the Blackberry he uses, or him using a cellphone at all. He also has been photographed repeatedly violating communications security protocols with that stupid Blackberry, such as making calls on it right next to his secured landline (which interferes with the encryption and can allow for eavesdropping). Many TCSM professionals have commented on this. Him not using an iPhone is a nonissue, IMO.
What an inflammatory piece of yellow journalism. Being able to pose with an iPhone does not make you tech savvy. Obama has demonstrated a remarkable ability to not grasp technology nor the business world. The list of failure his administration has created is long but includes the like of A123, Soylandra and many others. In a nut shel he doesn't have a clue about technology.
When your development team tells your project managers "we need three to six months to test this new website", and you find out the hard way on launch day that they only scheduled three weeks for testing, well, someone wasn't very tech savvy....
Oh, I'm sure he'd rather use whatever his focus-group polling tells him would be the best received in photo ops (the iPhone I'm certain), but for now, "Since the Secret Service likes his Blackberry, he'll keep his Blackberry. Period."
What does Putin use?
Putin does not use mobile phone, he told once.
Yesterday russians announce their first smartphone with dual screen: http://www.yotaphone.com/#/en/
Lest you all forget, it wasn't a given that Obama was allowed to use the BB at the beginning of his first term. He had to convince the NSA to allow him to use it. And it has been rumoured that he doesn't use a standard issue BB, as NSA added an extra layer of encryption to the device.
So glad you're here!
Kardashians? What's that? A successor race to the Cyclons? Or perhaps predecessor?
"Due to security reasons, we are no longer permitted to implement battleships. We will instead deploy this last-remaining awesome Viking ship. I am assured of its efficacy, despite there being only seven people on board, six of whom are dedicated to bailing water."
Well, a battleship does have a much higher radar signature