Google's reaction to Apple's iPhone unveiling: 'We're going to have to start over' on Android

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  • Reply 181 of 226
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Since I never said Android copied flick scrolling or that flick scrolling was a new invention you can take your hypocrisy accusations and toddle off.
  • Reply 182 of 226
    crowley wrote: »
    Since I never said Android copied flick scrolling or that flick scrolling was a new invention you can take your hypocrisy accusations and toddle off.

    I am sorry to implied that you said that. I may have confused you with another poster.

    If this the case what did android copied from Apple? Why are many here felt apple was screwed when android come about?

    Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset.

    All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well. It is hypocritical otherwise (in general not referring to anyone).
  • Reply 183 of 226
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    zerobim08 wrote: »
    Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset.

    All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well. It is hypocritical otherwise (in general not referring to anyone).

    So if Apple didn't invent a technology it means they copied it? So now Apple copied ARM? Good one¡
  • Reply 184 of 226
    solipsismx wrote: »
    zerobim08 wrote: »
    Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset.

    All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well. It is hypocritical otherwise (in general not referring to anyone).

    So if Apple didn't invent a technology it means they copied it? So now Apple copied ARM? Good one¡

    So can your statement be interpreted as apple didn't invent those things in iPhone but apple is anal to sue and accuse others of copying. :lol:
  • Reply 185 of 226
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    zerobim08 wrote: »
    So can your statement be interpreted as apple didn't invent those things in iPhone but apple is anal to sue and accuse others of copying. :lol:

    Are you seriously equating stealing as licensing technology? Show me where Apple stole anything from ARM or Intel or just do us all a favour and leave.
  • Reply 186 of 226
    solipsismx wrote: »
    zerobim08 wrote: »
    So can your statement be interpreted as apple didn't invent those things in iPhone but apple is anal to sue and accuse others of copying. :lol:

    Are you seriously equating stealing as licensing technology? Show me where Apple stole anything from ARM or Intel or just do us all a favour and leave.

    Show me where android stole anything from ios?

    Apple sued for slide to unlock and it has been shown that was prior art.

    Voice search, rectangular design and grid of icons have been around since ages ago way before apple.

    Do you have the rights to say someone is stealing when they are using something that aren't yours to begin with.
  • Reply 187 of 226
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    zerobim08 wrote: »
    Show me where android stole anything from ios?

    Good try on trying to change the subject and put me on the defensive but your comment has nothing to do with what Android or any other vendor did or didn't do; it's about foolish statements by you. Particularly, equating licensing ARM as being the same as bank heist.
  • Reply 188 of 226
    Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post

    [who cares what the post contains]

     

    Shouldn’t be that hard to answer his question if you’re not wrong. You don’t seem to have done so, though.

  • Reply 189 of 226
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    That's your argument. What avalanche? Looks like android is the avalanche. Apple has a slight head start but now android has 4 to 5 times more market share than iphone.



    Apple may have jump start (but not invent) the touch device trend just like Nokia has popularized the smartphone trend with its mass market Symbian phones. Android then took the smartphone trend even further.

     

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    Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post





    LG prada is a full touch device which came out before iphone. It included finger scrolling.



    What you are implying is that Apple is the one that first invented touch device. It is as ridiculous as saying that apple invented the rectangular form factor.



    Apple just took existing tech and make it popular. First Android has more dissimilarity to ios including pull down notification, widget and app drawer, hard buttons. The only common thing between them is the touch UI. But then again apple didn't invent touch UI.



    If we are talking about copying then Apple is the one that blatantly copy android UI later on like pull down notification, holo UI.

    It's a metaphor. The snowflake is Notifications ( a small idea)...which you & your kind keep repeating as if it was some kind of paradigm shifting concept. The avalanche is the iPhone ( a big idea)... the paradigm shifting concept that changed the industry. I said nothing about marketshare in any of my post. Android did nothing to change an industry. It's a knock off product. Please check my other posts. Also WIDGETS have been around on the Mac for years. They go back to the classic Mac OS. I think they used to be called desktop accessories back then & were later called Widgets in OSX. They could be accessed from an icon in the Dock, which would open up a separate space where all your widgets are. (hmmmmm sounds like Android's App Drawer) or a keyboard shortcut.  App drawer? How is App drawer innovative in any way? I tap a button. I see all my apps! Wow! Never seen anything like this before! Pull down menus (Notifications)! Yeah, that's new!

  • Reply 190 of 226
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post





    I am sorry to implied that you said that. I may have confused you with another poster.



    If this the case what did android copied from Apple? Why are many here felt apple was screwed when android come about?



    Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset.



    All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well. It is hypocritical otherwise (in general not referring to anyone).

    Nope but hey were early contributors to some...

    In the late 1980s Apple Computer and VLSI Technology started working with Acorn on newer versions of the ARM core. In 1990, Acorn spun off the design team into a new company named Acorn RISC Machines Ltd., which became ARM Ltd when its parent company, ARM Holdings plc, floated on theLondon Stock Exchange and NASDAQ in 1998.

    The new Apple-ARM work would eventually evolve into the ARM6, first released in early 1992. Apple used the ARM6-based ARM610 as the basis for their Apple Newton PDA (Which had apps in a grid). In 1994, Acorn used the ARM610 as the main central processing unit (CPU) in their RiscPC computers. Where was Google in the 1990's?

     

    I remember reading somewhere that they invested money in Texas Instruments to develop a "Wi-fi" chip that would make it affordable for consumer use. Apple ahas been building hardware & designing software & interfaces for over 30 years. Google?

  • Reply 191 of 226
    splif wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450101" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450101"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />I am sorry to implied that you said that. I may have confused you with another poster.<br /><br />If this the case what did android copied from Apple? Why are many here felt apple was screwed when android come about?<br /><br />Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset.<br /><br />All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well. It is hypocritical otherwise (in general not referring to anyone).</div></div><p>Nope but hey were early contributors to some...</p><p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-bottom:0.5em; margin-top:0.4em">In the late 1980s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer" style="background-image:none; color:rgb(11, 0, 128)" title="Apple Computer">Apple Computer</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLSI_Technology" style="background-image:none; color:rgb(11, 0, 128)" title="VLSI Technology">VLSI Technology</a> started working with Acorn on newer versions of the ARM core. In 1990, Acorn spun off the design team into a new company named Acorn RISC Machines Ltd., which became ARM Ltd when its parent company, ARM Holdings plc, floated on the<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stock_Exchange" style="background-image:none; color:rgb(11, 0, 128)" title="London Stock Exchange">London Stock Exchange</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASDAQ" style="background-image:none; color:rgb(11, 0, 128)" title="NASDAQ">NASDAQ</a> in 1998.</p><p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-bottom:0.5em; margin-top:0.4em">The new Apple-ARM work would eventually evolve into the ARM6, first released in early 1992. Apple used the ARM6-based ARM610 as the basis for their <strong>Apple Newton PDA (Which had apps in a grid)</strong>. In 1994, Acorn used the ARM610 as the main <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit" style="background-image:none; color:rgb(11, 0, 128)" title="Central processing unit">central processing unit</a> (CPU) in their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RiscPC" style="background-image:none; color:rgb(11, 0, 128)" title="RiscPC">RiscPC</a> computers. Where was Google in the 1980's?</p><p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-bottom:0.5em; margin-top:0.4em"> </p><p style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-bottom:0.5em; margin-top:0.4em">I remember reading somewhere that they invested money in Texas Instruments to develop a "Wi-fi" chip that would make it affordable for consumer use. Apple ahas been building hardware & designing software & interfaces for over 30 years. Google?</p>

    But hey samsung is one of the main contributor to 3g /4G. Without some of samsung 4g/lte frand licensing none of the iPhones are possible. But then Apple still refuses to pay for them. So apple is still the bigger jersey here by first stealing and suing first.
  • Reply 192 of 226
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Originally Posted by zerobim08 View Post





    But hey samsung is one of the main contributor to 3g /4G. Without some of samsung 4g/lte frand licensing none of the iPhones are possible. But then Apple still refuses to pay for them. So apple is still the bigger jersey here by first stealing and suing first.

     

    You do know what FRAND Licensing is don't you? Apple did not refuse to pay Samsung for FRAND licensing. They refused to pay quite a bit more than Samsung was charging other companies. They also offered to license Samsung some of their patents. Samsung refused. HTC made an agreement with Apple though.

  • Reply 193 of 226
    splif wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2449694" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2449694"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />That's your argument. What avalanche? Looks like android is the avalanche. Apple has a slight head start but now android has 4 to 5 times more market share than iphone.<br /><br />Apple may have jump start (but not invent) the touch device trend just like Nokia has popularized the smartphone trend with its mass market Symbian phones. Android then took the smartphone trend even further.</div></div><p> </p><div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2449636" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2449636"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />LG prada is a full touch device which came out before iphone. It included finger scrolling.<br /><br />What you are implying is that Apple is the one that first invented touch device. It is as ridiculous as saying that apple invented the rectangular form factor.<br /><br />Apple just took existing tech and make it popular. First Android has more dissimilarity to ios including pull down notification, widget and app drawer, hard buttons. The only common thing between them is the touch UI. But then again apple didn't invent touch UI.<br /><br />If we are talking about copying then Apple is the one that blatantly copy android UI later on like pull down notification, holo UI.</div></div><p><strong>It's a metaphor.</strong> The snowflake is Notifications ( a small idea)...which you & your kind keep repeating as if it was some kind of paradigm shifting concept. The avalanche is the iPhone ( a big idea)... the paradigm shifting concept that changed the industry. I said nothing about marketshare in any of my post. Android did nothing to change an industry. It's a knock off product. Please check my other posts. Also WIDGETS have been around on the Mac for years. They go back to the classic Mac OS. I think they used to be called desktop accessories back then & were later called Widgets in OSX. They could be accessed from an icon in the Dock, which would open up a separate space where all your widgets are. (hmmmmm sounds like Android's App Drawer) or a keyboard shortcut.  App drawer? How is App drawer innovative in any way? I tap a button. I see all my apps! Wow! Never seen anything like this before! Pull down menus (Notifications)! Yeah, that's new!</p>

    No. If apple didn't come along the smartphone would still have achieved tremendous growth. It is not like smartphone has no growth before apple came along. That trend was already in a big upward swing before iphone. Why apple didn't come out with a feature phone? It didn't because it recognized and followed the smartphone trend which has already started. It wouldn't be right to say apple copied the smartphone which was pioneered by sony ericsson and nokia just like it wouldn't be right to say everyone else copied apple touch based device since touch based devices existed before iphone.

    On UI argument, did the original iphone has pull down or widget or app drawer or hard menu or back button? Back and menu buttons existed on existing os like symbian and window. Iphone doesn't have that. There are so many dissimilarities that it is ridiculous to say it is a copy. What google did was make the os more finger friendly which was more receptive for the market due to trend started by Apple.
  • Reply 194 of 226
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    No. If apple didn't come along the smartphone would still have achieved tremendous growth. It is not like smartphone has no growth before apple came along. That trend was already in a big upward swing before iphone. Why apple didn't come out with a feature phone? It didn't because it recognized and followed the smartphone trend which has already started. It wouldn't be right to say apple copied the smartphone which was pioneered by sony ericsson and nokia just like it wouldn't be right to say everyone else copied apple touch based device since touch based devices existed before iphone.



    On UI argument, did the original iphone has pull down or widget or app drawer or hard menu or back button? Back and menu buttons existed on existing os like symbian and window. Iphone doesn't have that. There are so many dissimilarities that it is ridiculous to say it is a copy. What google did was make the os more finger friendly which was more receptive for the market due to trend started by Apple.

     

    Look at smartphone offerings before the iPhone. Show me something that says CONSUMERS were buying smartphones or thought they even needed one.You didn't NEED AN APP DRAWER ON THE ORIGINAL IPHONE YOU WOULD JUST SWIPE to the next window full of applications. When you chose an Apple application the choices in the dock would change specific to the application you were in (convenient & efficient). So now hitting a button to get to my apps so that I can swipe through them is somehow an innovation. Back & menu buttons...are you serious? The buttons on the original iPhone were SPECIFIC TO THE APPLICATION THAT YOU WERE WORKING in. YES, they would take you back to specific points within an application. My point was to show you that most of the UI concepts that you brought up were not original concepts. Hard menu? Didn't Blackberry have a hard menu?

  • Reply 195 of 226
    splif wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450208" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450208"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />No. If apple didn't come along the smartphone would still have achieved tremendous growth. It is not like smartphone has no growth before apple came along. That trend was already in a big upward swing before iphone. Why apple didn't come out with a feature phone? It didn't because it recognized and followed the smartphone trend which has already started. It wouldn't be right to say apple copied the smartphone which was pioneered by sony ericsson and nokia just like it wouldn't be right to say everyone else copied apple touch based device since touch based devices existed before iphone.<br /><br />On UI argument, did the original iphone has pull down or widget or app drawer or hard menu or back button? Back and menu buttons existed on existing os like symbian and window. Iphone doesn't have that. There are so many dissimilarities that it is ridiculous to say it is a copy. What google did was make the os more finger friendly which was more receptive for the market due to trend started by Apple.</div></div><p> </p><p>Look at smartphone offerings before the iPhone. Show me something that says CONSUMERS were buying smartphones or thought they even needed one.You didn't NEED AN APP DRAWER ON THE ORIGINAL IPHONE YOU WOULD JUST SWIPE to the next window full of applications. When you chose an Apple application the choices in the dock would change specific to the application you were in (convenient & efficient). So now hitting a button to get to my apps so that I can swipe through them is somehow an innovation. Back & menu buttons...are you serious? The buttons on the original iPhone were SPECIFIC TO THE APPLICATION THAT YOU WERE WORKING in. YES, they would take you back to specific points within an application. My point was to show you that most of the UI concepts that you brought up were not original concepts. Hard menu? Didn't Blackberry have a hard menu?</p>

    Well, thank you very much. You have validated my point that android was so dissimilar to iphone that it is wrong to say android copied from iphone.

    So can we stop this rhetoric nonsense that everyone copied from Apple.
  • Reply 196 of 226
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,387member
    For an article acknowledging both perspectives without falling into the trap of seemingly obligatory emotional rhetoric:
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
  • Reply 197 of 226
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    For an article acknowledging both perspectives without falling into the trap of seemingly obligatory emotional rhetoric:

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/

    This article gives no credit for the work Apple has done in touch interfaces. It is the usual geek culture BS that Apple steals everything & claims it is theirs. Apple offers nothing & does nothing to further technology. Apple didn't work on touch based interfaces in the 80's & 90's? Where is the credit in the article for that? The original argument that you made was about Google having the same product vision as Apple. They didn't & it's obvious. Also, Fingerworks was a company that did plenty of research into gesture based products & input devices. Apple bought Fingerworks so wouldn't they own whatever patents Fingerworks owns also. In the article you posted plenty of this work was research work. Of course Apple does no research work. They just steal. The article was not very even handed. Technology, like most things creative, are a progression of works by many people. For some reason Apple's contributions are always theft or trivialized. Microsoft was also working on touch based devices. The fruit of their labor was Surface. The size of a foosball table. Apple's solution fit in the palm of your hand & in your pocket.

  • Reply 198 of 226
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Well, thank you very much. You have validated my point that android was so dissimilar to iphone that it is wrong to say android copied from iphone.



    So can we stop this rhetoric nonsense that everyone copied from Apple.

     

    I didn't say everyone copied from Apple. Which version of Android are you referring to? What did Google develop as far as UI that was unique? You haven't mentioned a thing.

  • Reply 199 of 226
    splif wrote: »
    This article gives no credit for the work Apple has done in touch interfaces.

    It is the usual geek culture BS that Apple steals everything & claims it is theirs. Apple offers nothing & does nothing to further technology. Apple didn't work on touch based interfaces in the 80's & 90's? Where is the credit in the article for that? The original argument that you made was about Google having the same product vision as Apple. They didn't & it's obvious. Also, Fingerworks was a company that did plenty of research into gesture based products & input devices. Apple bought Fingerworks so wouldn't they own whatever patents Fingerworks owns also. In the article you posted plenty of this work was research work. Of course Apple does no research work. They just steal. The article was not very even handed. Technology, like most things creative, are a progression of works by many people. For some reason Apple's contributions are always theft or trivialized. Microsoft was also working on touch based devices. The fruit of their labor was Surface. The size of a foosball table. Apple's solution fit in the palm of your hand & in your pocket.

    Exactly!

    Legend has it that Apple was working on multi-touch glass screens in the early 2000's... first for a tablet device but then for a phone.

    Yes... the concept of "multi-touch" had existed for some time. But it was Apple's implementation of multi-touch that was so groundbreaking. That's the part that people seem to ignore.

    So what was Apple working on in the years leading up to the iPhone launch?

    I agree with you... that article gave no credit for any of the work Apple did.
  • Reply 200 of 226
    splif wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450248" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450248"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />Well, thank you very much. You have validated my point that android was so dissimilar to iphone that it is wrong to say android copied from iphone.<br /><br />So can we stop this rhetoric nonsense that everyone copied from Apple.</div></div><p> </p><p>I didn't say everyone copied from Apple. Which version of Android are you referring to? What did Google develop as far as UI that was unique? You haven't mentioned a thing.</p>

    Dont back pedal. This debate is about android copying ios.

    Does the original iphone/ios has app drawer, pull down notification, back and multi task key, widget screen, live wallpaper or menu? NO!

    Now ios has pull down and live wallpaper which came after android.
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