Dont back pedal. This debate is about android copying ios.
Does the original iphone/ios has app drawer, pull down notification, back and multi task key, widget screen, live wallpaper or menu? NO!
Now ios has pull down and live wallpaper which came after android.
If the debate is about Android copying iOS then why are you the one claiming that Apple is stealing by licensing from ARM? It sounds like you're the one backpedaling.
Dont back pedal. This debate is about android copying ios.
Does the original iphone/ios has app drawer, pull down notification, back and multi task key, widget screen, live wallpaper or menu? NO!
Now ios has pull down and live wallpaper which came after android.
If the debate is about Android copying iOS then why are you the one claiming that Apple is stealing by licensing from ARM? It sounds like you're the one backpedaling.
I didn't say anything about Apple stealing from Arm at all. Please read properly.
All I said was apple didn't invent arm chipset set but is using it. Android is using flick scrolling which apple didn't invent. I said if you called the latter stealing then the former must be stealing as well (which is not the case here i.e neither is considered stealing)
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450200" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>zerobim08</strong> <a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450200"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />But hey samsung is one of the main contributor to 3g /4G. Without some of samsung 4g/lte frand licensing none of the iPhones are possible. But then Apple still refuses to pay for them. So apple is still the bigger jersey here by first stealing and suing first.</div></div><p> </p><p>You do know what FRAND Licensing is don't you? Apple did not refuse to pay Samsung for FRAND licensing. They refused to pay quite a bit more than Samsung was charging other companies. They also offered to license Samsung some of their patents. Samsung refused. HTC made an agreement with Apple though.</p>
This is so laughable. I owned something and I want to sell it at a price. If you don't like then don't buy it. Why apple give stupid excuses? Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S. Can I take one home for free since I don't like the higher price charged? A thief is still a thief.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450630" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span style="line-height:1.4em">Originally Posted by </span><strong style="font-style:normal; line-height:1.4em">zerobim08</strong><span style="line-height:1.4em"> </span><a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450630" style="line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><div class="quote-block"><span style="line-height:1.4em">I owned something and I want to sell it at a price.</span></div></div><p> </p><p>No, see, that’s not how it works. </p><div class="quote-container"> <div class="quote-block"><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S.</span></div></div></div><p> </p><p>If you cared about anything you’ve said anywhere in this thread, you’d know this isn’t anywhere near a comparable argument.</p><div class="quote-container"> <div class="quote-block"><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">A thief is still a thief.</span></div></div></div><p> </p><p>Prove Apple stole anything.</p>
Didn't the itc ruled that apple infringed samsung frand patents and have the 3gs/4 banned? How did the one who stole got away? By getting its country president to veto it. The great American nepotism to protect a thief at play.
This is so laughable. I owned something and I want to sell it at a price. If you don't like then don't buy it. Why apple give stupid excuses? Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S. Can I take one home for free since I don't like the higher price charged? A thief is still a thief.
I didn't say anything about Apple stealing from Arm at all. Please read properly.
All I said was apple didn't invent arm chipset set but is using it. Android is using flick scrolling which apple didn't invent. I said if you called the latter stealing then the former must be stealing as well (which is not the case here i.e neither is considered stealing)
You wrote, "Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset. All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well."
You mention copying after you state Apple is using ARM. Your implication is clear. You even segued into the next sentence with "All I am saying is…"
I didn't say anything about Apple stealing from Arm at all. Please read properly.
All I said was apple didn't invent arm chipset set but is using it. Android is using flick scrolling which apple didn't invent. I said if you called the latter stealing then the former must be stealing as well (which is not the case here i.e neither is considered stealing)
You wrote, "Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset. All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well."
You mention copying after you state Apple is using ARM. Your implication is clear. You even segued into the next sentence with "All I am saying is…"
Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.
Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.
You should be on a talent show with those kind of backpedalling skills.
Didn't the itc ruled that apple infringed samsung frand patents and have the 3gs/4 banned?
No.
Kinda throws the water on your fire, huh.
By getting its country president to veto it.
If you want to bring politics into it, we can certainly give you the beating of a lifetime. Keep pretending Samsung doesn’t rely on its control of the South Korean government to keep existing.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450668" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span style="line-height:1.4em">Originally Posted by </span><strong style="font-style:normal; line-height:1.4em">zerobim08</strong><span style="line-height:1.4em"> </span><a href="/t/161257/googles-reaction-to-apples-iphone-unveiling-were-going-to-have-to-start-over-on-android/160#post_2450668" style="line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><div class="quote-block"><span style="line-height:1.4em">Didn't the itc ruled that apple infringed samsung frand patents and have the 3gs/4 banned?</span></div></div><p> </p><p>No.</p><p> </p><p>Kinda throws the water on your fire, huh.</p><div class="quote-container"> <div class="quote-block"><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">By getting its country president to veto it.</span></div></div></div><p> </p><p>If you want to bring politics into it, we can certainly give you the beating of a lifetime. Keep pretending Samsung doesn’t rely on its control of the South Korean government to keep existing.</p>
Maybe you have been living under a rock but the rest of the world didn't.
This is so laughable. I owned something and I want to sell it at a price. If you don't like then don't buy it. Why apple give stupid excuses? Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S. Can I take one home for free since I don't like the higher price charged? A thief is still a thief.
What are you talking about? Your argument is laughable. I'm pretty sure Samsung is also using tech under FRAND that someone else is licensing to them that they couldn't do without. I wonder what your argument would be if somebody pulled this sleazy nonsense on them, after all they are profiting more than ALL other Android companies combined. Shouldn't they pay an exorbitant price for those licenses?. You're clueless. Another bit of advice, just because you repeat the same points over & over again doesn't make them true.
Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.
Android as copied the original iPhone OS design and concept, just look at the pre-iPhone Android 1.0 to see how much they took the iPhone as an inspiration. Before the iPhone, every smartphone was looking like Blackberrys, at that time, Android was a blackberry killer with a physical keyboard, the iPhone make them change their mind.
After all, Android is merely a skin over a Java runtime environment, like most first gen smartphone.
Android as copied the original iPhone OS design and concept, just look at the pre-iPhone Android 1.0 to see how much they took the iPhone as an inspiration. Before the iPhone, every smartphone was looking like Blackberrys, at that time, Android was a blackberry killer with a physical keyboard, the iPhone make them change their mind.
After all, Android is merely a skin over a Java runtime environment, like most first gen smartphone.
I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).
Anyway, if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story. Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone. The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700. Maybe apple copied this design.
I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).
Anyway, if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story. Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone. The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700. Maybe apple copied this design.
And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java. Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone. You are talking nonsense.
We're not gonna rehash Sammy's theft but: Which company had a "crisis in design" after the iPhone was announced? Which company also had a 120+ page slide deck comparing its designs to the iPhone?
I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).
Anyway, if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story. Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone. The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700. Maybe apple copied this design.
And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java. Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone. You are talking nonsense.
We're not gonna rehash Sammy's theft but: Which company had a "crisis in design" after the iPhone was announced? Which company also had a 120+ page slide deck comparing its designs to the iPhone?
What does this prove? I bet somewhere in apple hidden away there are similar documents showing how Johnny Ive design comparison to android when he designed iOS7.
Original iphone was a runaway success. As apple competitors they would have to response to the new competition by dissecting iphone and how to respond. Just like now Apple has to copy the strong points of Android to fight it.
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If the debate is about Android copying iOS then why are you the one claiming that Apple is stealing by licensing from ARM? It sounds like you're the one backpedaling.
I didn't say anything about Apple stealing from Arm at all. Please read properly.
All I said was apple didn't invent arm chipset set but is using it. Android is using flick scrolling which apple didn't invent. I said if you called the latter stealing then the former must be stealing as well (which is not the case here i.e neither is considered stealing)
This is so laughable. I owned something and I want to sell it at a price. If you don't like then don't buy it. Why apple give stupid excuses? Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S. Can I take one home for free since I don't like the higher price charged? A thief is still a thief.
No, see, that’s not how it works.
If you cared about anything you’ve said anywhere in this thread, you’d know this isn’t anywhere near a comparable argument.
Prove Apple stole anything.
Didn't the itc ruled that apple infringed samsung frand patents and have the 3gs/4 banned? How did the one who stole got away? By getting its country president to veto it. The great American nepotism to protect a thief at play.
You obviously don't know what FRAND is.
You wrote, "Apple did not invent the flick scrolling or the grid of icons or a rectangle slate or the smartphone os or 2g/3g/4G/wifi tech used or slide to unlock or ARM chipset. All I am saying is if we want to accuse Google of copying then you must also accuse apple of copying as well."
You mention copying after you state Apple is using ARM. Your implication is clear. You even segued into the next sentence with "All I am saying is…"
Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.
You should be on a talent show with those kind of backpedalling skills.
No.
Kinda throws the water on your fire, huh.
If you want to bring politics into it, we can certainly give you the beating of a lifetime. Keep pretending Samsung doesn’t rely on its control of the South Korean government to keep existing.
Maybe you have been living under a rock but the rest of the world didn't.
www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/08/03/president-obama-vetoes-itc-ban-on-iphone-ipads-apple-happy-samsung-not/
This is so laughable. I owned something and I want to sell it at a price. If you don't like then don't buy it. Why apple give stupid excuses? Because samsung wanted to charge more? Apple priced its phone higher outside of U.S. Can I take one home for free since I don't like the higher price charged? A thief is still a thief.
What are you talking about? Your argument is laughable. I'm pretty sure Samsung is also using tech under FRAND that someone else is licensing to them that they couldn't do without. I wonder what your argument would be if somebody pulled this sleazy nonsense on them, after all they are profiting more than ALL other Android companies combined. Shouldn't they pay an exorbitant price for those licenses?. You're clueless. Another bit of advice, just because you repeat the same points over & over again doesn't make them true.
Show me where android stole anything from ios?
Apple sued for slide to unlock and it has been shown that was prior art.
Voice search, rectangular design and grid of icons have been around since ages ago way before apple.
Do you have the rights to say someone is stealing when they are using something that aren't yours to begin with.
Do you know how long Apple has been around? Voice search was around before Apple?
Yeah. I mentioned "if". So if you want to ridiculously accuse android of copying something apple didn't invent then I can also ridiculously do the same to apple. You want to do a insanely nonsensical debate please go ahead. I won't indulge you.
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.txt&topic=Origins&sortOrder=Sort by Date
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Busy_Being_Born.txt&topic=User Interface&sortOrder=Sort by Date&detail=medium
I think I called them Desktop accessories in a previous post they were called desktop ornaments (which became widgets)
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&topic=User Interface&sortOrder=Sort by Date&detail=medium
Because they did not actually infringe on anything. Someone’s been polishing his rocks.
Show me where android stole anything from ios?
Android as copied the original iPhone OS design and concept, just look at the pre-iPhone Android 1.0 to see how much they took the iPhone as an inspiration. Before the iPhone, every smartphone was looking like Blackberrys, at that time, Android was a blackberry killer with a physical keyboard, the iPhone make them change their mind.
After all, Android is merely a skin over a Java runtime environment, like most first gen smartphone.
Android as copied the original iPhone OS design and concept, just look at the pre-iPhone Android 1.0 to see how much they took the iPhone as an inspiration. Before the iPhone, every smartphone was looking like Blackberrys, at that time, Android was a blackberry killer with a physical keyboard, the iPhone make them change their mind.
After all, Android is merely a skin over a Java runtime environment, like most first gen smartphone.
I thought we are talking about OS similarity (not design).
Anyway, if you take a look at this filing by samsung, it was a completely different story. Samsung released F700 6 months before iphone. The iphone looked remarkably similar to F700. Maybe apple copied this design.
http://www.osnews.com/story/26230/Samsung_reveals_its_pre-iPhone_concepts_10_touchscreen_devices
And Android is not "merely" a skin over Java. Symbian/WinMo were never a Java runtime phone. You are talking nonsense.
We're not gonna rehash Sammy's theft but: Which company had a "crisis in design" after the iPhone was announced? Which company also had a 120+ page slide deck comparing its designs to the iPhone?
What does this prove? I bet somewhere in apple hidden away there are similar documents showing how Johnny Ive design comparison to android when he designed iOS7.
Original iphone was a runaway success. As apple competitors they would have to response to the new competition by dissecting iphone and how to respond. Just like now Apple has to copy the strong points of Android to fight it.
That’s just sad.
Bet not.
lol.