Apple says it was unaware of NSA's iPhone spying, vows to defend customers' privacy

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  • Reply 21 of 84
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post



    When will these lowlifes realize that they run the risk of destroying the overseas sales of some of our most successful, dynamic parts of the economy? Don't these idiots get that!?



    Add to this, eviscerating our Constitution (violation of the fourth amendment, without which, the first, second and fifth amendments mean nothing), and one has to wonder, what exactly are we protecting with this kind of state overreach?

     

    I think that the problem (if you regard it that way) is that the intelligence agencies, much like the military, tend to develop whatever capabilities that they can to try to keep their edge and for use if needed. That may be fine, but tends to spawn the problem of regulation of such use, scope creep in the use, and "best intentions" justifications for going too far. It's not a simple issue to fix.

  • Reply 22 of 84

    OT- Apple is also unaware of useless Board Members which are of no good! Al Gore is one of them (which Apple thinks has invented internet? ) <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

  • Reply 23 of 84
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    There has been NSA code all though out iOS from the start. It goes back through all OS X and even Nextstep. There is the NSA's rray, lert, nimation and many more. Most of the code seems be one sort of National Security something or other.

    So clever and, yet, so dangerous if not enough people here know about Mac programming.

  • Reply 24 of 84
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post



    When will these lowlifes realize that they run the risk of destroying the overseas sales of some of our most successful, dynamic parts of the economy? Don't these idiots get that!?



    Add to this, eviscerating our Constitution (violation of the fourth amendment, without which, the first, second and fifth amendments mean nothing), and one has to wonder, what exactly are we protecting with this kind of state overreach?

    Other countries are seriously questioning how they do business now with American companies. Especially American companies with servers in America. The fear mongering the American government has created since 911 reminds me of the image below. When you grow so powerful that you can't even trust yourself, you end up destroying everything around you and then yourself.

  • Reply 25 of 84
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    So clever and, yet, so dangerous if not enough people here know about Mac programming.

    I tried to make it more verbose at the risk of losing the funny in hopes that it would be obvious to those not familiar with OSX/iOS coding that I'm not being serious.
  • Reply 27 of 84
    If the NSA requires physical contact then the target list is pretty short.

    After all, they are not landing UPS & FedEX cargo planes at Area 51 for some fuel and a big cargo wrap-up party
  • Reply 28 of 84
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member

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  • Reply 29 of 84
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Microsoft seems to be worried about Chromebooks intruding on their turf now. Maybe Google really does have a decent idea. Certainly got MS's attention. Unfortunate that accuracy has never held a lot of importance in their Scroogled campaign.

    "Scrappled" may not be all that far off. Back-door negative ads seem like a Microsoft specialty.
  • Reply 30 of 84
    NSA should be held to the same standard as a hacker that hacks into any government agency. Eye for an eye.
  • Reply 31 of 84
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
    Buahahahaha! Glad I left Apple! Keep buying their tainted products you iSheep! My Galaxy Note 3 is WAAAAYYY better than my iPhone ever was and if they dare taint it, I'll root it.
  • Reply 32 of 84
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,324moderator
    Man, is the NSA stuff so advanced that none of the industry-leading security advocates can see this stuff at work in the wild?

    It makes sense that they would - they pretty much have to. Techniques they used decades ago would seem laughable now with storage capability, processing power, wireless tech, camera tech and the internet but at the time, nobody would even think it was going on.

    This isn't just an issue for customers, Apple's employees use the devices too. Imagine if someone in the intelligence community discovered Apple's plans for the iPhone and decided to trade in stocks on that information. They could even just be snooping on private conversations, you'd never know.

    The software being installed doesn't even have to exist in the OS. If it's for tracking data, they just have to hide something in the communication chips and they get access to most of what they need. It's mainly the communication data that matters. It doesn't even have to be active until it's requested like the App Store issue where they can submit broken code that passes any check for malware and it's reassembled later.

    If the people in control were only using the techniques responsibly in order to weed out potential mass murder, that's better than having no option to prevent that but, who checks up on it and who decides how they should be punished? It seems to have already happened:

    http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/nsa-employees-used-spy-tools-to-track-spouses-former-lovers-425800

    It sounds as though they log every request made to the records so abuse can be traced but we'd never know just like we never knew about all the things being covered up in various wars until wikileaks revealed them. It doesn't even matter that we do find out about these things really, there's nothing anyone can do about it just like nobody had any say in which banks were bailed out, which wars were started with whatever budget. It doesn't matter that people know about this now, it won't stop happening.
  • Reply 33 of 84
    ruel24 wrote: »
    Buahahahaha! Glad I left Apple! Keep buying their tainted products you iSheep! My Galaxy Note 3 is WAAAAYYY better than my iPhone ever was and if they dare taint it, I'll root it.

    Good for you. So happy for you. Now, run along.
  • Reply 34 of 84
    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

    Buahahahaha! Glad I left Apple! Keep buying their tainted products you iSheep! My Galaxy Note 3 is WAAAAYYY better than my iPhone ever was and if they dare taint it, I'll root it.

     

    Shut up and go away.

  • Reply 35 of 84

    Apple can say whatever they want, but does the public believe them?  That's what this is about now...trust.

     

    Personally I think anyone that trusts anything that comes out of NSA or any of the providers such as Apple that are bound by secret courts to deny knowledge of everything is naive.

  • Reply 36 of 84
    Shut up and go away.

    Awwww... Truth hurts doesn't it? Blind faith is your doom...
  • Reply 37 of 84
    BTW, iSheep... His Steveness would have NEVER cooperated with the NSA. Tim Cook is the new John Sculley.
  • Reply 38 of 84
    Attention Apple butt-lickers: Apple is a corporation...you know, like Microsoft. Apple is not to be trusted. You're a fool if you think otherwise.
  • Reply 39 of 84
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    There has been NSA code all though out iOS from the start. It goes back through all OS X and even Nextstep. There is the NSA's rray, lert, nimation and many more. Most of the code seems be one sort of National Security something or other.

    Most of the nitwits here won't get this.

  • Reply 40 of 84
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    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post



    BTW, iSheep... His Steveness would have NEVER cooperated with the NSA. Tim Cook is the new John Sculley.

     

    Isn't Steve-O one of the people who said something to the effect of, "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"?

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