Audi shows off 'Smart Display' Android-powered in-car tablet

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  • Reply 61 of 157
    nexusphan wrote: »
    My article is most certainly valid. Not sure why you are having issues. If you are, just Google it. And my source is the Washington post and you counter me with a forum post? Are you for real?

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="37040" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/37040/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 213px">


    Edit: I read more of the comments posted. This was the widely published master key flaw that was quickly patched by Google. I was countering your lies about a malware Angry Birds. Way to try and change the subject on me.

    Can't cure stupid I guess. Go and enjoy you're evening.
  • Reply 62 of 157
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 1,839member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NexusPhan View Post

     

     

    Are you trying to tell me than an app is promoting itself and inflating it's claims to gain more installs?!...

     

    http://qz.com/131436/contrary-to-what-youve-heard-android-is-almost-impenetrable-to-malware/


    Fair enough, even though qz.com is not a reliable tech source. I included the customer reviews to demonstrate real-life situations. AVG is a well-known anti-virus freeware and is also popular on Windows, it is a straight forward software with no inflated claims, if it doesn't find anything it tells you so. You can also read the reviews yourself, you'll find a few people in there who say that the software didn't find anything.

  • Reply 63 of 157
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheMacMan View Post





    Can't cure stupid I guess. Go and enjoy you're evening.

     

    Argumentum ad hominem.

  • Reply 64 of 157
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

     

    Fair enough, even though qz.com is not a reliable tech source. I included the customer reviews to demonstrate real-life situations. AVG is a well-known anti-virus freeware and is also popular on Windows, it is a straight forward software with no inflated claims, if it doesn't find anything it tells you so. You can also read the reviews yourself, you'll find a few people in there who say that the software didn't find anything.


     

    Terrible source, in fact. The link to Google's release is a good source but Google left out a lot of details so I used the terrible source. Poor showing on my part. I still don't trust anti-virus software. They are more malware than the malware! It's always finding "threats" on my parents iMac and I just think it's to keep my parents paying for it.

     

    Edit: Link help. Oops. :P

    http://goo.gl/7xZ4cd

  • Reply 65 of 157
    last year i ordered my car based mostly on the compatibility with my iphone. that is how important it has become. it will get even more so. Audi going for the open-source platform? imagine the creativity of hackers and other jokers what they could do with your car.
    They are 'scared' of the closed ecosystem... read they are scared for their profit-margins
    because of apple being always in the middle. Now that all the GOOD brands choose apple, going
    for the simple interface that everybody without reading a manual can use, they need to choose the other alliance... we are not at war here people..
    this has nothing to do with fan madness or so, but purely on leave it please on the company that has it's focus on : it simply needs to work. keep it simple.
    I always seen audi as a company that liked clean simple but effective design. well if they still are
    this very company, choice should be obvious...
  • Reply 66 of 157
    revenantrevenant Posts: 499member

    ok- as a mercedes benz automotive technician- malware is only a little troubling.

     

    android will not be driving the audi, it will not be in control of anything related to driving.  the gas pedal will not press down and the doors lock while the brakes being cut.  malware may cause display issues (things malware can display like, "you are a tool"), may show a false reading (fuel tank, tire pressure...).

    but the fuel gauge will not go away, and there might still be a tpm in the cluster and not in the audi/google display.  

    Mercedes is already making their software more and more secure since people hacked into GM clusters to display funny words (and were not able to start or stop the engine, blinkers, alarm, brakes, accelerator pedal...).  It is quite doubtful that a hacker would spend the time to port malware into this "device" that can do much more than give false or no readings of tpm, fuel, etc., they would not be able to lock your doors and what not. Audi will most certainly be tying the knots to keep this secure.  To talk to the google side, more than likely, you will have to first talk to the Audi side first- and that will be a little harder for hackers to due since it is usually difficult to get the software outside of the dealer (and it costs several thousands).  

  • Reply 67 of 157
    mac95mac95 Posts: 26member
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    2385amh wrote: »

    quote-we-have-always-been-shameless-about-stealing-great-ideas-steve-jobs-240896.jpg

    The Beatles, She Came In Through The Bathroom Window, Abbey Road album - 'she would steal, but she could not rob.'

    Context in which Jobs uttered said quote went along with 'good artists copy, great artists steal'.

    Discuss this ad nauseam, I won't be part of it.
    If you don't wanna understaaaaand the difference, I do.
  • Reply 68 of 157
    or another fine choice might be the car's interface acts as a slave to my choice of phone. just a stupid screen.
  • Reply 69 of 157
    Stultus est sicut stultus facit

    Did you want to converse in Latin?
  • Reply 70 of 157
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheMacMan View Post



    Stultus est sicut stultus facit



    Did you want to converse in Latin?

     

    Thanks for proving me right :)

  • Reply 71 of 157
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TheMacMan View Post



    This past holiday season, the average iOS user spent $94 purchasing products from their device while the average Android user only spent $43.

     

    How much you wanna bet those prices were based on making identical purchases? A smart retailer knows to charge an Apple user twice as much as anyone else! Not only will (s)he pay it, (s)he'll argue that it's better because it cost more! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 72 of 157
    mac95mac95 Posts: 26member
    2385amh wrote: »
    I never said he wasn't a great man, inventor, or visionary.  I used that quote as a direct response to a post.  Please don't assume you know how I feel about Steve Jobs or his legacy.  I think he is a truly inspirational inventor and visionary who made the future change for all of us.  

    I also feel that as I said everyone in technology uses each others ideas.  I just don't think its as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  Android used java code.  It notified them and was congratulated by sun micosystems.  Not until Oracle bought them did this even become an issue.

    I don't agree with the premise that google is a stolen product.  Now Samsung on the other hand does go a little to far in my opinion. 

    Man I've read your posts until here and I must say I now consider you quite spineless.
    No matter what you say I imagine you lie in a sofa goin' 'yeah! So whaaaaat! Android! Google! Yeah!' - all day.
    Then - 'how do I put this into clever clueless words and bring it across to the common public in order to get my paycheck or personal satisfaction.
    Well, you won't convince me.
    Glad I don't have to live close to you.

    Good day.
  • Reply 73 of 157
    rcfarcfa Posts: 763member
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    Originally Posted by cynic View Post

     
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    Originally Posted by rcfa View Post



    A lesser car company than VW, say BMW who had declining Quality and has a sinking brand image (within it's market segment) ...

     

    Mind you, I have no idea about how this is perceived in the US. However, calling BMW a lesser car company than VW, is quite interesting, unless of course you're referring to plain size and amount of brands owned.

     

    However, in their home country, those two brands do not even play in the same class. One might even start arguing whether Audi actually plays in the same class as BMW and Mercedes.


     

    VW is a company. Brands OWNED by that company are: VW, Porsche, Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, SEAT, Skoda, Ducati, Bentley, Scania, MAN.

    BMW as a company owns merely BMW, Mini, and Rolls Royce, but I think they don't even get to use Rolls Royce engines anymore, because they just bought the car brand, not the engine business, which is why e.g. Rolls Royce jet engines are NOT BMW products.

    Audi competes with and surpasses BMW in just about every aspect, except for price. Bentley can more than hold up to Rolls Royce, Ducati beats BMW motorcycles in prestige at any given moment, and BMW has nothing to counter either Porsche/Lamborghini/Bugatti or Scania/MAN.

    So, yes, BMW is the lesser company, in reach, breadth, depth, luxury appeal, racing success, in-house developed technology, etc. 

    As if that weren't enough Bavarians I know (and they take their cars seriously and are local patriots with BMW (B in BMW standing for Bavaria)) who had driven 7-series exclusively for several decades, switched to VW Phaetons and then to a Mercedes S600, because they didn't like the decline in build quality of the BMW. (the switch from VW to Mercedes was simply because they couldn't get the Phaeton in the color they wanted within the time frame they wanted it, so no dissatisfaction with the car there...)

    So I think this is pretty much a slam dunk case for anyone no blinded by brands and looking at the actual companies and their products.

    Next time you see a 1000hp Bugatti on the street, remember it's a VW....

  • Reply 74 of 157
    nexusphan wrote: »
    Thanks for proving me right :)

    Sure.
  • Reply 75 of 157
    rcfarcfa Posts: 763member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post

     

    Audi just chose to showcase their Android tablet (likely with some incentives) at CES. Audi isn't locking themselves into Android only, nor are they running Android in the actual vehicle systems.


     

    Key thing which few people seem to focus on: the Audi tablet is what one would call "MIL-spec", i.e. designed to operate properly after having been left in the car on a cold Minnesota/Siberia winter night and continuing to work after having left baking inside the car in the desert sun in Death Valley. Have you ever bothered to look at the operating and non-operating temperature specs for the iPad? Not exactly designed for that sort of use.

    The iPhone more than once shut down on me when driving and running navigation software, because it overheated being exposed to the sun on a suction cup windshield mount. Anyone really thinks Apple wants to increase the price (or decrease profit margins) by maybe $50 for each device they sell just to make them endure such temperature extremes? Or do you think Apple would license iOS to Audi for use in their custom designed hardware? Neither is likely, and it's the sort of reason why Apple's "we don't license our OS to third parties" stance will come to haunt them in the long term: there are plenty of special purpose applications that Apple doesn't cover and third parties can't cover because Apple doesn't license.

    Apple should license their OS for embedded devices: cars, TVs, ATMs, etc. because just as Apple used to iPod/iPhone/iPad/iTunes to wedge themselves into the position they are in now, other companies will use embedded devices to wedge themselves into strong positions.

  • Reply 76 of 157
    v5v wrote: »
    How much you wanna bet those prices were based on making identical purchases? A smart retailer knows to charge an Apple user twice as much as anyone else! Not only will (s)he pay it, (s)he'll argue that it's better because it cost more! :lol:

    Nothing, because as I stated, stats can be anything you want them to be. You can always start with the result you want then back into it. If you read the thread from the beginning you'd find that if you make even comparisons, there wouldn't be any difference. I really don't care who sold more. But if you're going to through numbers around. You can make your own. Please follow the post thread from the beginning and you'll learn that I wasn't advocating one is better than the other.

    Peace.
  • Reply 77 of 157
    rcfarcfa Posts: 763member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post

     
    Android devices can be infected by malware without the user knowing it. 


     

    So can iOS devices, just ask the NSA... That's why it's imperative that users have root access to their devices, and in absence thereof, they can root/jailbreak their devices, because that's the ONE defense vector they have against covert hacking: monitoring the system at a low level, something AppStore apps will never be able to do.

  • Reply 78 of 157
    st88st88 Posts: 124member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rcfa View Post

     

     

    VW is a company. Brands OWNED by that company are: VW, Porsche, Audi, Lamborghini, Bugatti, SEAT, Skoda, Ducati, Bentley, Scania, MAN.


    If you say VW many people will think you're referencing to the car brand, not the parent.

     

    The actual name is Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft

     

    aktiengesellschaft = joint-stock company

     

    Their logo:

     

    image 

  • Reply 79 of 157
    emesemes Posts: 239member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rcfa View Post

     

     

    So can iOS devices, just ask the NSA... That's why it's imperative that users have root access to their devices, and in absence thereof, they can root/jailbreak their devices, because that's the ONE defense vector they have against covert hacking: monitoring the system at a low level, something AppStore apps will never be able to do.


     

    Yup. Security is a sacrifice made for customizing options, which is why a PC would have more issues than a locked-down UNIX-based Mac OS

  • Reply 80 of 157

    I gotta say, I find the frothing-at-the-mouth fanaticism displayed in this forum quite amusing.

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