But Business Insider claims Apple is doomed because everyone they saw at CES was using an Android phone.
Most people were using android. I know several people in this crowd, and they all use android at this moment. Three months ago they were all using iPhone. When the next big android drops, they will change to that. Come October, and they will all be on the newest iPhone again (if same cycle). Whether testing it for media review or for their teloco, using the latest released device is part of their job.
Some of those I know are android fans, while for others, October can not come too soon.
Ah yes. The post PC era. Can't wait to trade in my iMac for a musical lightbulb.
CES shows you that mobile devices are finally where the money is at, and where the future is at. I edit videos, so I need to use a Mac, but I still spend the majority of my time on the iPad, doing fun stuff, playing games. And recently I've been using the ipad for work too - animationdesk and procreate. And I update my ipad to newer hardware more often than I update my laptop, or my work updates their MacPro.
Until you actually need to get work done. Then you grab your Mac
Well now we get back to the old saw don't we? PC to me will always mean Wintel crap and not a Mac. A Personal Computer is one thing and an Apple ][ was just that, but a 'PC' was a specific marketing term and a registered trade mark wasn't it? but whatever, a Mac ... a PC? ... Never! :no:
Seriously though , Macs will continue to do better in the face of the obvious move to iPads by the masses who simply don't need anything more and the math is pretty simple to see that will mean more 'PC' losses than anything, but as you say (and even in a house of two with four iPads ...how do you sell casts offs you stupidly engraved with your name and phone number?), "Until you actually need to get work done. Then you grab your Mac," and more and ever more people agree with you.
Talking of Chromebooks, how come Google are allowed to sell these without offering an alternative choice of browser like regular PC's have to?
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Low marketshare?
Interesting question. But I think it has to do with whether Google has rejected a third party's attempt to make a browser available for ChromeOS. For a product with such low marketshare, the government wouldn't automatically step in to investigate monopolistic practices. A 3rd party has to file a complaint. Has any company's attempt to develop/distribute a browser for ChromeOS been rejected?
Well now we get back to the old saw don't we? PC to me will always mean Wintel crap and not a Mac. A Personal Computer is one thing and an Apple ][ was just that, but a 'PC' was a specific marketing term and a registered trade mark wasn't it? but whatever, a Mac ... a PC? ... Never!
Seriously though , Macs will continue to do better in the face of the obvious move to iPads by the masses who simply don't need anything more and the math is pretty simple to see that will mean more 'PC' losses than anything, but as you say (and even in a house of two with four iPads ...how do you sell casts offs you stupidly engraved with your name and phone number?), "Until you actually need to get work done. Then you grab your Mac," and more and ever more people agree with you.
A Mac is a PC. You don't have to like it. But an individual's biases does not define terminology for all.
But Business Insider claims Apple is doomed because everyone they saw at CES was using an Android phone.
BI can publish an article spelling out why/how Apple is declining, and then follow up next month/week with an article describing Apple's brilliance. All they care about is page views.
CES shows you that mobile devices are finally where the money is at, and where the future is at. I edit videos, so I need to use a Mac, but I still spend the majority of my time on the iPad, doing fun stuff, playing games. And recently I've been using the ipad for work too - animationdesk and procreate. And I update my ipad to newer hardware more often than I update my laptop, or my work updates their MacPro.
Agreed. If you can "do" the work on an iPad, it's just more fun than using OSX, a KB, a mouse/MP sitting at a desk in a cubicle in a windowless building.
The iPad has made me rethink my work flow and I've taken major steps to simplify it and, as you say, add Apps to use on the iPad. It's made a huge difference. Not only is there a "fun" factor but, it's more efficient and easier!
It reminds me of when I got my first iBook laptop (back in the day). Even though it wasn't as fast or had a smaller screen the mobility factor (and no wires) more than made up for not using the iMac.
Same with the iPad. Yep, it's not as "powerful" as a laptop, but its design and sw made up for a lot.
Talking of Chromebooks, how come Google are allowed to sell these without offering an alternative choice of browser like regular PC's have to?
Regular PCs run Windows. Windows is made by Microsoft. Microsoft was sued for monopolistic practices. Microsoft is required by law to provide alternatives to its software.
If Google ever magically (because it WILL NOT happen) gets 90% marketshare with one of its OS’, that also does not immediately mean they will be forced to offer alternatives; it means that the precedent set by Microsoft in the same situation would expedite Google’s guilty ruling.
A Mac is a PC. You don't have to like it. But an individual's biases does not define terminology for all.
Unlike you, I try to never be dogmatic and always take care to phrase things to avoid that, hence I referred to 'that old saw' intending to convey my understanding related to those who don't know the history. I understand those not old enough to have lived through that era might be confused.
Here is a little history for you ... The fact is, 'PC' was a model name of a specific IBM computer. The term has no doubt long since been more widely used but it is hardly my 'personal bias' when I cite historical fact.
Alongside "microcomputer" and "home computer", the term "personal computer" was already in use before 1981. It was used as early as 1972 to characterize Xerox PARC's Alto. However, because of the success of the IBM Personal Computer, the term 'PC' came to mean more specifically a microcomputer compatible with IBM's PC products. So to most of us that were there using PCs, Apple ][s and Macs, no sir, a Mac is not a PC.
If Google ever magically (because it WILL NOT happen) gets 90% marketshare with one of its OS’, that also does not immediately mean they will be forced to offer alternatives; it means that the precedent set by Microsoft in the same situation would expedite Google’s guilty ruling.
This would be a problem; they like to be open, no?
Wasn't the last time Microsoft did a CES keynote when Ballmer wore a red sweater, held up a HP tablet (that never came to market) to his chest and tried to demonstrate it by looking at it upside down and poking at the screen like it was going to so something. Meanwhile, all the Windows computers behind him and around him on the stage went blue screen and had to be manually reset one-by-one.
It was only a few months later Steve Jobs declared the era to be Post PC... In a few more months Microsoft will be post-Ballmer. Imagine what the new CEO will have to deal with: (1) Ballmer and Gates on the board of directors. (2) MS just talking on the cell phone purchase under Ballmer's own hand. (3) The entire Microsoft organization under a new structure by Ballmer's own hand. (4) new XBox running second-place in the console wars (and not even branded with the MS name on the cartons). (5) Bing bleeding like a stuck whale. (6) Cash cows, Windows and Office, under pressure for the first time in decades. (7) Surface, redux, not eating up the market and buyers poking at it suspiciously with sticks, like it might came back alive and attack them.
Now, in that context, the new CEO is expected to change anything for the better with Bill and Steve having a good giggle from their position on the board, and thumbing everything down that may diminish Baller's recent massive changes. I give the new puppet CEO a year or so before he's out the door.
I saw a commercial from Microsoft the other day, highlighting the line of products that all run Windows 8, banging on about the Nokia phone with 41MP camera (I think it's 41) etc. and I just didn't have any reaction whatsoever. Even when I switched to Macs in 2005, I still had some reaction to what Microsoft were doing, either intrigue, dislike, or, in the case of Xbox360 being impressed, but in the past couple of years I have literally no reaction to them anymore. To me what they are doing just doesn't seem important at all now. Even the rubbish stuff they do now doesn't make me laugh like the Kin did.
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But Business Insider claims Apple is doomed because everyone they saw at CES was using an Android phone.
It's not that much of a shock that the sort of person who would go to a consumer electronics expo is the sort of person for whom "customization" is important. These technology die hards are the type of people who want to install new skins on phones and things like that.
However, the vast majority of people couldn't give a shit about the CES. They'll buy products that "just work".
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But Business Insider claims Apple is doomed because everyone they saw at CES was using an Android phone.
Most people were using android. I know several people in this crowd, and they all use android at this moment. Three months ago they were all using iPhone. When the next big android drops, they will change to that. Come October, and they will all be on the newest iPhone again (if same cycle). Whether testing it for media review or for their teloco, using the latest released device is part of their job.
Some of those I know are android fans, while for others, October can not come too soon.
CES shows you that mobile devices are finally where the money is at, and where the future is at. I edit videos, so I need to use a Mac, but I still spend the majority of my time on the iPad, doing fun stuff, playing games. And recently I've been using the ipad for work too - animationdesk and procreate. And I update my ipad to newer hardware more often than I update my laptop, or my work updates their MacPro.
Well now we get back to the old saw don't we? PC to me will always mean Wintel crap and not a Mac. A Personal Computer is one thing and an Apple ][ was just that, but a 'PC' was a specific marketing term and a registered trade mark wasn't it? but whatever, a Mac ... a PC? ... Never! :no:
Seriously though
Talking of Chromebooks, how come Google are allowed to sell these without offering an alternative choice of browser like regular PC's have to?
Low marketshare?
Interesting question. But I think it has to do with whether Google has rejected a third party's attempt to make a browser available for ChromeOS. For a product with such low marketshare, the government wouldn't automatically step in to investigate monopolistic practices. A 3rd party has to file a complaint. Has any company's attempt to develop/distribute a browser for ChromeOS been rejected?
Lots of historical articles around to cover this issue.
Here is just one... http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/mar/02/microsoft
Well now we get back to the old saw don't we? PC to me will always mean Wintel crap and not a Mac. A Personal Computer is one thing and an Apple ][ was just that, but a 'PC' was a specific marketing term and a registered trade mark wasn't it? but whatever, a Mac ... a PC? ... Never!
Seriously though
A Mac is a PC. You don't have to like it. But an individual's biases does not define terminology for all.
But Business Insider claims Apple is doomed because everyone they saw at CES was using an Android phone.
BI can publish an article spelling out why/how Apple is declining, and then follow up next month/week with an article describing Apple's brilliance. All they care about is page views.
Yes but can the Speecup and the Bluetooth musical lightbulb run full Microsoft Office?
We joke but ... If today's phone is powerful enough to run Office, why not tomorrow's lightbulb?
Like SJ said in the WWDC 2011 keynote, iCloud (or the cloud generally speaking) is the hub of your digital life and your devices.
Thankfully for Apple, this hasn't quite turned into full-fledged reality because they still need more time to get this iCloud thing right.
Post-windows is more like it.
Best post of the New Year!
Brilliant, Eriamjh!
CES shows you that mobile devices are finally where the money is at, and where the future is at. I edit videos, so I need to use a Mac, but I still spend the majority of my time on the iPad, doing fun stuff, playing games. And recently I've been using the ipad for work too - animationdesk and procreate. And I update my ipad to newer hardware more often than I update my laptop, or my work updates their MacPro.
Agreed. If you can "do" the work on an iPad, it's just more fun than using OSX, a KB, a mouse/MP sitting at a desk in a cubicle in a windowless building.
The iPad has made me rethink my work flow and I've taken major steps to simplify it and, as you say, add Apps to use on the iPad. It's made a huge difference. Not only is there a "fun" factor but, it's more efficient and easier!
It reminds me of when I got my first iBook laptop (back in the day). Even though it wasn't as fast or had a smaller screen the mobility factor (and no wires) more than made up for not using the iMac.
Same with the iPad. Yep, it's not as "powerful" as a laptop, but its design and sw made up for a lot.
Best.
Just more wireless junk that will end up on the footpath.
Yep, but first it all has to spend a year in Best Buy gathering dust!
Regular PCs run Windows. Windows is made by Microsoft. Microsoft was sued for monopolistic practices. Microsoft is required by law to provide alternatives to its software.
If Google ever magically (because it WILL NOT happen) gets 90% marketshare with one of its OS’, that also does not immediately mean they will be forced to offer alternatives; it means that the precedent set by Microsoft in the same situation would expedite Google’s guilty ruling.
Unlike you, I try to never be dogmatic and always take care to phrase things to avoid that, hence I referred to 'that old saw' intending to convey my understanding related to those who don't know the history. I understand those not old enough to have lived through that era might be confused.
Here is a little history for you ... The fact is, 'PC' was a model name of a specific IBM computer. The term has no doubt long since been more widely used but it is hardly my 'personal bias' when I cite historical fact.
Alongside "microcomputer" and "home computer", the term "personal computer" was already in use before 1981. It was used as early as 1972 to characterize Xerox PARC's Alto. However, because of the success of the IBM Personal Computer, the term 'PC' came to mean more specifically a microcomputer compatible with IBM's PC products. So to most of us that were there using PCs, Apple ][s and Macs, no sir, a Mac is not a PC.
(from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer)
This would be a problem; they like to be open, no?
But you'll look strange, trying to take a picture or a movie with a MacBook or an iMac.
I'm pretty excited for what 4K is going to mean for the iMac lineup.
The 4K displays announced at CES '14 under 32" were more affordable than I thought they would be.
It's totally feasible for Apple to deliver a 4K iMac with a 27" or larger display within the next two release
cycles.
Not only is 4K a book for resolution but Rec2020 should yield better color as well.
Now if software could just catch up to the hardware.
Wasn't the last time Microsoft did a CES keynote when Ballmer wore a red sweater, held up a HP tablet (that never came to market) to his chest and tried to demonstrate it by looking at it upside down and poking at the screen like it was going to so something. Meanwhile, all the Windows computers behind him and around him on the stage went blue screen and had to be manually reset one-by-one.
It was only a few months later Steve Jobs declared the era to be Post PC... In a few more months Microsoft will be post-Ballmer. Imagine what the new CEO will have to deal with: (1) Ballmer and Gates on the board of directors. (2) MS just talking on the cell phone purchase under Ballmer's own hand. (3) The entire Microsoft organization under a new structure by Ballmer's own hand. (4) new XBox running second-place in the console wars (and not even branded with the MS name on the cartons). (5) Bing bleeding like a stuck whale. (6) Cash cows, Windows and Office, under pressure for the first time in decades. (7) Surface, redux, not eating up the market and buyers poking at it suspiciously with sticks, like it might came back alive and attack them.
Now, in that context, the new CEO is expected to change anything for the better with Bill and Steve having a good giggle from their position on the board, and thumbing everything down that may diminish Baller's recent massive changes. I give the new puppet CEO a year or so before he's out the door.
I saw a commercial from Microsoft the other day, highlighting the line of products that all run Windows 8, banging on about the Nokia phone with 41MP camera (I think it's 41) etc. and I just didn't have any reaction whatsoever. Even when I switched to Macs in 2005, I still had some reaction to what Microsoft were doing, either intrigue, dislike, or, in the case of Xbox360 being impressed, but in the past couple of years I have literally no reaction to them anymore. To me what they are doing just doesn't seem important at all now. Even the rubbish stuff they do now doesn't make me laugh like the Kin did.
But Business Insider claims Apple is doomed because everyone they saw at CES was using an Android phone.
It's not that much of a shock that the sort of person who would go to a consumer electronics expo is the sort of person for whom "customization" is important. These technology die hards are the type of people who want to install new skins on phones and things like that.
However, the vast majority of people couldn't give a shit about the CES. They'll buy products that "just work".