The problem is the DEFAULT setting! There should be a prompt when setting this phone up that asks if minors will have access to the phone. If answered yes, default the settings to In-App = Off and Password = Immediately. Or at least ask these two questions and explain them.
Let the parent research online how to "fix" the issue if the new default values are bothering them and be well aware of the change they are making.
Apple is refusing to do this as it obviously would destroy the entire free-to-play market that they profit on today.
The problem is the DEFAULT setting! There should be a prompt when setting this phone up that asks if minors will have access to the phone. If answered yes, default the settings to In-App = Off and Password = Immediately. Or at least ask these two questions and explain them.
Let the parent research online how to "fix" the issue if the new default values are bothering them and be well aware of the change they are making.
Apple is refusing to do this as it obviously would destroy the entire free-to-play market that they profit on today.
Just like child safety locks should be enable by default on vehicles, right? And TV controls on by default, right?
If you are too lazy to thumb through the settings on a new device, God help your child.
It’s not Apple’s responsibility to educate idiots. There is no reason for them to hold people’s hands.
You morons are looking at this from the wrong point of view. Its not "idiot" parents, but "uneducated" parents. These parents had no idea that these games even had these capabilities. Apple made no effort to make them aware of this during the original sales transaction. A little blame can be put on the lazy parents for not being more involved and testing the games before handing them to their children. That said, the concept as a whole was completely foreign to them.
Furthermore, Apple does not advertise the "15 minute" rule. If a parent was only purchasing a handful of games or apps, they might have been prompted every time they entered a password. Why would it be wrong for this parent to also assume they would be prompted every time they made a purchase going forward?
My argument is these issues could be avoided if they would go with an "opt-in" instead of "opt-out" approach.
Just like child safety locks should be enable by default on vehicles, right? And TV controls on by default, right?
If you are too lazy to thumb through the settings on a new device, God help your child.
Knowing about "Child safety locks" is a reasonable expectation. Realizing that free games can charge real money, and furthermore without a password within 15 minutes is far from the gray area.
An iPhone is not marketed to just tech nerds, its market towards everyday parents. If this was some Linux based nerd gadget I would agree here, but this is a phone aimed at the common person. You have to be more reasonable in your expectations if you don't intend to educate them.
It’s not Steven Spielberg’s fault when parents let their five year old watch Jurassic Park without having seen it themselves.
In every trailer I have ever seen for Jurassic Park it makes it clear with the MPAA rating at the beginning that the movie is not intended for children. I don't recall that same rating being attached to "Smurfs Village"?
Your missing the point. I am not saying they shouldn't understand how to consult a manual. I am saying they had no reasonable expectation that such a feature existed in the first place. If they never made an in app purchase themselves, its fair to assume they weren't aware of the feature.
The owner / parent has open doors in a car before, they can assume the child will do the same and should look into preventing it.
I don't recall that same rating being attached to "Smurfs Village"?
Because that would be a lie.
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Your missing the point. I am not saying they shouldn't understand how to consult a manual. I am saying they had no reasonable expectation that such a feature existed in the first place. If they never made an in app purchase themselves, its fair to assume they weren't aware of the feature.
So they teach themselves about the product before giving it to their child.
With restrictions off, the child can view any pornography that doesn’t require Flash. I don’t see a lawsuit against Apple about that.
Because there IS a reasonable expectation that restrictions exist. Therefore it is the parents’ responsibility to FIND said restrictions, ENABLE them, and learn about what they entail.
So they teach themselves about the product before giving it to their child.
With restrictions off, the child can view any pornography that doesn’t require Flash. I don’t see a lawsuit against Apple about that.
Because there IS a reasonable expectation that restrictions exist. Therefore it is the parents’ responsibility to FIND said restrictions, ENABLE them, and learn about what they entail.
I am done with this conversation. For whatever reason you seem obsessed with defending Apple, when you clearly have no concept of seeing the realty of the situation.
If the parents don't know the feature exist, how can you expect them to research and teach themselves?!? Why on earth you are assuming the common Joe would even think of such a concept "in app purchases" exist is beyond me.
There is no lawsuit about porn, because any reasonable adult knows the possibility exist. If it bothers them they can reasonable investigate and research how to prevent it. You can't make the same assumption about in app purchases. At the time the concept was entirely new.
To clarify I am not arguing that the parents didn't reasonable know "restrictions" could be enabled, but rather that the feature of making purchases with real money within a free children's game existed.
For whatever reason you seem obsessed with defending Apple, when you clearly have no concept of seeing the realty of the situation.
Because there’s nothing wrong being done here. Because they already have everything in place that can be “reasonably expected” of them. Because your ideas are wrong.
If the parents don't know the feature exist, how can you expect them to research and teach themselves?!?
Do you have the slightest idea what research is? Holy crap.
There is no lawsuit about porn, because any reasonable adult knows the possibility exist.
Thanks for confirming that you were wrong and I was right.
If it bothers them they can reasonable investigate and research how to prevent it.
Except you JUST SAID THAT THEY CANNOT POSSIBLY DO THAT. Pick a side and stick with it.
At the time the concept was entirely new.
Nope. It’s a digital extension of a preexisting concept.
To clarify I am not arguing that the parents didn't reasonable know "restrictions" could be enabled, but rather that the feature of making purchases with real money within a free children's game existed.
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I suppose they’d prefer endless lawsuits born of stupidity, huh.
You normally think a bit bigger than that.
I just prefer the concept of parents parenting. That appeals to me in the same way that responsibility for one’s actions does.
Did ever make a accidental long distance call as a kid? I remember one time my brother called a guy in Wales.
I don’t recall these kids accidentally buying things. Accidents and purposeful action are handled differently.
That’s punishment in and of itself. HI-YO!
Sorry, Wales.
Not my native language, but isn't it 'redial'? Sorry, stupid mood ATM
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/01/google-play-store-lets-your-kid-spend-like-a-drunken-sailor/index.htm
Let the parent research online how to "fix" the issue if the new default values are bothering them and be well aware of the change they are making.
Apple is refusing to do this as it obviously would destroy the entire free-to-play market that they profit on today.
No, it isn’t.
No, there shouldn’t. That’s the absolute wrong thing to do.
It’s not Apple’s responsibility to educate idiots. There is no reason for them to hold people’s hands.
Right, wrong.
Just like child safety locks should be enable by default on vehicles, right? And TV controls on by default, right?
If you are too lazy to thumb through the settings on a new device, God help your child.
It’s not Apple’s responsibility to educate idiots. There is no reason for them to hold people’s hands.
You morons are looking at this from the wrong point of view. Its not "idiot" parents, but "uneducated" parents. These parents had no idea that these games even had these capabilities. Apple made no effort to make them aware of this during the original sales transaction. A little blame can be put on the lazy parents for not being more involved and testing the games before handing them to their children. That said, the concept as a whole was completely foreign to them.
Furthermore, Apple does not advertise the "15 minute" rule. If a parent was only purchasing a handful of games or apps, they might have been prompted every time they entered a password. Why would it be wrong for this parent to also assume they would be prompted every time they made a purchase going forward?
My argument is these issues could be avoided if they would go with an "opt-in" instead of "opt-out" approach.
Then they can educate themselves. All the information they need is right there on the device.
Then. they. can. educate. themselves.
It’s not Steven Spielberg’s fault when parents let their five year old watch Jurassic Park without having seen it themselves.
Nor do they have to. Nor should they.
My argument is these issues could be avoided if they would go with an "opt-in" instead of "opt-out" approach.
And that will never happen.
Just like child safety locks should be enable by default on vehicles, right? And TV controls on by default, right?
If you are too lazy to thumb through the settings on a new device, God help your child.
Knowing about "Child safety locks" is a reasonable expectation. Realizing that free games can charge real money, and furthermore without a password within 15 minutes is far from the gray area.
An iPhone is not marketed to just tech nerds, its market towards everyday parents. If this was some Linux based nerd gadget I would agree here, but this is a phone aimed at the common person. You have to be more reasonable in your expectations if you don't intend to educate them.
Knowing about “Child safety locks" is a reasonable expectation.
Inherently knowing how to operate them, however, is not. They’re not the same across vehicles.
So you consult the manual. Piece of cake.
It’s not Steven Spielberg’s fault when parents let their five year old watch Jurassic Park without having seen it themselves.
In every trailer I have ever seen for Jurassic Park it makes it clear with the MPAA rating at the beginning that the movie is not intended for children. I don't recall that same rating being attached to "Smurfs Village"?
Inherently knowing how to operate them, however, is not. They’re not the same across vehicles.
So you consult the manual. Piece of cake.
Your missing the point. I am not saying they shouldn't understand how to consult a manual. I am saying they had no reasonable expectation that such a feature existed in the first place. If they never made an in app purchase themselves, its fair to assume they weren't aware of the feature.
The owner / parent has open doors in a car before, they can assume the child will do the same and should look into preventing it.
Because that would be a lie.
So they teach themselves about the product before giving it to their child.
With restrictions off, the child can view any pornography that doesn’t require Flash. I don’t see a lawsuit against Apple about that.
Because there IS a reasonable expectation that restrictions exist. Therefore it is the parents’ responsibility to FIND said restrictions, ENABLE them, and learn about what they entail.
Because that would be a lie.
So they teach themselves about the product before giving it to their child.
With restrictions off, the child can view any pornography that doesn’t require Flash. I don’t see a lawsuit against Apple about that.
Because there IS a reasonable expectation that restrictions exist. Therefore it is the parents’ responsibility to FIND said restrictions, ENABLE them, and learn about what they entail.
I am done with this conversation. For whatever reason you seem obsessed with defending Apple, when you clearly have no concept of seeing the realty of the situation.
If the parents don't know the feature exist, how can you expect them to research and teach themselves?!? Why on earth you are assuming the common Joe would even think of such a concept "in app purchases" exist is beyond me.
There is no lawsuit about porn, because any reasonable adult knows the possibility exist. If it bothers them they can reasonable investigate and research how to prevent it. You can't make the same assumption about in app purchases. At the time the concept was entirely new.
To clarify I am not arguing that the parents didn't reasonable know "restrictions" could be enabled, but rather that the feature of making purchases with real money within a free children's game existed.
I am done with this conversation.
Good.
For whatever reason you seem obsessed with defending Apple, when you clearly have no concept of seeing the realty of the situation.
Because there’s nothing wrong being done here. Because they already have everything in place that can be “reasonably expected” of them. Because your ideas are wrong.
Do you have the slightest idea what research is? Holy crap.
Thanks for confirming that you were wrong and I was right.
Except you JUST SAID THAT THEY CANNOT POSSIBLY DO THAT. Pick a side and stick with it.
Nope. It’s a digital extension of a preexisting concept.
So. They. Find. Out. About. That.