New PowerMacs almost certain at MWNY...

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
Check out this blurb! Who know's what form/shape the new PowerMacs will be in...but don't you agree this looks very promising for a big overhaul? Something's up!!



According to <a href="http://www.macminute.com"; target="_blank">www.macminute.com</a> :



Apple offers new Power Mac G4 rebates

May 10 - 16:25 ETÂ*Â*Apple today quietly kicked off a new promotion that offers customers who purchase a Power Mac G4 800MHz a US$200 mail-in rebate and those who purchase a 933MHz or dual-1GHz configuration receive a $300 mail-in rebate. No additional purchase is necessary and the promotion may be combined with Apple's other promotions, including its Power Mac and Display promotion. Details of the offer, as well as the rebate, will be made available on the Web on Monday; purchases made from today through July 7 are elligibile.
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  • Reply 1 of 49
    barracudabarracuda Posts: 27member
    Not to mention...what a GREAT promotion on current hardware!
  • Reply 2 of 49
    I can't believe they are so backed up on inventory that they have to start 2 months in advance. I thought Apple tried to keep less than two weeks worth of product in at a time.
  • Reply 3 of 49
    Well, if they offer DDR rackmounts next week (as many expect), then everyone KNOWS that the Powermac will get a DDR motherboard in short order, and suddenly, Apple has a lot of inventory on hand that is in need of being cleared out.....



    Just a guess.



    The fact that the discounts work with other promotions makes this basically a price break, so I think Apple is getting ready for something that will have a depressive effect on Powermac sales.....



    2 cents



    TING5
  • Reply 4 of 49
    lemon bon bonlemon bon bon Posts: 2,383member
    Yeah.



    It's going to get interesting from here on in.



    Gee, guess those out of date Powermacs just aint selling...



    Hint to Apple: offer something competitive.



    Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
  • Reply 5 of 49
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

    <strong>



    Hint to Apple: offer something competitive.



    Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    When was the last time Apple did that?
  • Reply 6 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by There is no g5:

    <strong>

    The fact that the discounts work with other promotions makes this basically a price break, so I think Apple is getting ready for something that will have a depressive effect on Powermac sales.....

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    While I think there will be new PowerMacs at MWNY, I would say that the "depressive effect" isn't necessarily something new. The PowerMacs sold respectably in their first quarter and I think the numbers are dropping off now that they've been out a quarter. I expect that the dual 1 GHz is the only strong seller because it is so much better than any other Mac out there and for not much more money. The other two models don't have enough differentiation from the iMac and PowerBook to warrant their price. Unfortunately, I don't think conclusions about the new servers can be drawn from the new rebates. I love the tension.



    [ 05-11-2002: Message edited by: percolate ]</p>
  • Reply 7 of 49
    majukimajuki Posts: 114member
    Well, I think that when the servers come out we'll have a better understanding of what will debut at MWNY. Let's just hope it's not the same chipset and motherboard in a rack (PC133, and DP 1GHz :/ )
  • Reply 8 of 49
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    I'd say 1998, with the iMac. That was a breakthrough for Apple. Other competitive computers that Apple made were the 1998 PowerBook G3 (the one with the new design), the IIfx, and the original Macintosh. Also worth mentioning are the original iBook and the Blue and White G3. After 1999, though, they began lagging behind when the G4's topped out at about 500 MHz for a loooooong time. Finally they started catching up, but they lost a lot of ground in 1999-2000.



    Come to think of it, the TiBook was a big change for Apple also. But they've been set back often and for too long, like from '94 to '97 with the 601/603/604 based machines, and in '99 to '00 with the stalled G4s. Perhaps we are seeing a new beginning for Apple? Will they pick it up and make up for lost time?
  • Reply 9 of 49
    derrick 61derrick 61 Posts: 178member
    IIRC, the original beige G3s were total Wintel @$$ Kickers
  • Reply 10 of 49
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,409member
    [quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:

    <strong>Perhaps we are seeing a new beginning for Apple? Will they pick it up and make up for lost time?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    This isn't impossible or even unprecidented. Other companies have skipped a generation of chip development before, and caught up or even jumped ahead in the process (pun intended). Sometimes it just doesn't make sense to try and match blows with your opponent -- you just have to take a couple of lumps while you get ready to really sock it to 'em. This is especially true if your opponent has a lot more money. It may not happen at MWNY, and it may not be from Motorola.



    The G4 also isn't as far behind as everyone seems to go on and on about. Bump the clock rate 50% and support DDR on a 133 MHz bus and it'll be competitive enough to carry Apple another 6-12 months. They'll still be behind the 8-ball, but they should be able to at least maintain their current sales with such a machine. A few more tweaks to the chip and it could even shine (extra FPU, IP, larger internal caches and buffers). Following up with the rumoured G5/"RapidIO G4" may give them some more architectural advantages over the x86 market. Making high end graphics cards available more promptly than in the past (and getting those OpenGL enhancements in there) will ensure better parity with the x86 machines too.
  • Reply 11 of 49
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    my 6100/60 womped the p1's



    i remember an article in playboy on it...



    [ 05-11-2002: Message edited by: janitor ]</p>
  • Reply 12 of 49
    mcqmcq Posts: 1,543member
    Macrumors posted a story from an anonymous source that new PM would be 1 GHz, 1.2 GHz, and Dual 1.4 GHz, DDR 333, 60/80/120 GB hard drives, at $1599, $2299, $3299.



    For people more familiar with hardware, I have a question... how much performance increase would the DDR have on the Power Mac?
  • Reply 13 of 49
    kd5mdkkd5mdk Posts: 81member
    A lot, if properly implemented. A embedded programmer over on Ars Technica has been showing us how bandwidth limited the G4s really are, and that were not actually compute bound yet. He's also come up with some nasty problems in mach and general programming habits.
  • Reply 14 of 49
    crusadercrusader Posts: 1,129member
    [quote] Macrumors posted a story from an anonymous source that new PM would be 1 GHz, 1.2 GHz, and Dual 1.4 GHz, DDR 333, 60/80/120 GB hard drives, at $1599, $2299, $3299. <hr></blockquote>

    That guess has been around since MWNY last year (minus the 333 DDR ram). Besides any anonamus source can write in (just like me e-mailing MOSR about IBM producing the new G5's ).
  • Reply 15 of 49
    junkyard dawgjunkyard dawg Posts: 2,801member
    [quote]Originally posted by MCQ:

    <strong>Macrumors posted a story from an anonymous source that new PM would be 1 GHz, 1.2 GHz, and Dual 1.4 GHz, DDR 333, 60/80/120 GB hard drives, at $1599, $2299, $3299.



    For people more familiar with hardware, I have a question... how much performance increase would the DDR have on the Power Mac?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That's far too much of a leap for Apple. More likely is:



    1.000 GHz G4, 1.133 GHz G4, dual 1.200 GHz G4

    266 Mhz DDR (133 MHz system bus)



    Same bus speed, but faster DDR RAM. All in all, it will be a totally uninspiring upgrade that deepens the waters Apple treads in.
  • Reply 16 of 49
    glurxglurx Posts: 1,031member
    [quote]Originally posted by janitor:

    <strong>i remember an article in playboy on it...

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Playboy? has articles?
  • Reply 17 of 49
    I really believe that there might be a PM update before MWNY. Doing that:



    (A) Keeps them competive with servers

    (B) Allows for an iMac update at MWNY

    (C) Continues the ~2 week apart product rollout schedule.



    The biggest reason that I can see that would prevent them from doing this is the timetables on unfinished features. If there's nothing else that'll be ready for MWNY, I see them rolling them out sooner.
  • Reply 18 of 49
    [quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:

    <strong>



    That's far too much of a leap for Apple. More likely is:



    1.000 GHz G4, 1.133 GHz G4, dual 1.200 GHz G4

    266 Mhz DDR (133 MHz system bus)



    Same bus speed, but faster DDR RAM. All in all, it will be a totally uninspiring upgrade that deepens the waters Apple treads in.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    *sigh*



    The pessimism is tiresome. The fact is you have no more of a ****ing clue than any of us. Of course, if you are conservative in your "predictions", and something disappointing comes out, you were right, and you can say, "Apple is doomed, see, I told you so." Then you get to call everyone who was optimistic Apple-zombies, and make some snide RDF reference. But if something good does come out, you can say, well, that suprised me, then start picking nits to build up the big "Apple is doomed" thing again.



    I don't get what the deal is in the Mac community these days. For some reason it's now hip to be down on Apple. I'll admit that Apple is quite a ways behind, hardware-wise. But that doesn't make me down on them. For example, I like the SJ Sharks, right? They played the Avs today and won by a narrow margin. If they lost the game, I wouldn't have said, "the Sharks will keep disappointing us." I'll say, there's always next season.



    That's what it's like, man. It's like we're at a game, rooting for Apple, right? And people like you (there's alot these days, sorry to single you out) are coming to every game sitting on Apple's side saying Apple's gonna lose and all the people around you are mindless fanboys for rooting for Apple. If you hated Apple so much, why do you keep coming to every ****ing game?
  • Reply 19 of 49
    mac makkamac makka Posts: 17member
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by KeilwerthReborn:

    [QB]



    You got it right there mate - Apple is the company we all love and i'm sure they are doing all they can - have faith all, wintels suck and macs rule because speed is not the only thing that means something - passion and creative flair go along way. Who wants to be a pc clone zombie - they can keep all there crashes and hardware and software incompatible problems - mac os X is the os of the future and just thank your lucky stars you have a cool machine that runs it. even if it's mhz is half that of joe soap next door - i can wind up a ford little piece of shite with some nitro and turbo but is that better than a well engineered ferrari, i know what i would be driving.



    Rejoice for they shall hit a wall soon and then macs superior architecture will make them surpase their sorry quest for rapid mhz speed
  • Reply 20 of 49
    derrick 61derrick 61 Posts: 178member
    [quote]Originally posted by There is no g5:

    <strong>Well, if they offer DDR rackmounts next week (as many expect), then everyone KNOWS that the Powermac will get a DDR motherboard in short order, and suddenly, Apple has a lot of inventory on hand that is in need of being cleared out.....



    Just a guess.



    The fact that the discounts work with other promotions makes this basically a price break, so I think Apple is getting ready for something that will have a depressive effect on Powermac sales.....



    2 cents



    TING5</strong><hr></blockquote>





    Yep...Apple is about to make your screen name obsolete :cool:
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