I know a guy that buys gadgets as they come out, always superseding one with the next, who ends up with piles of gadgets hanging around his living space.
I'm not remotely like that. I have no disposable income, so the only things that are disposable to me are tissues and toilet paper. I use things till they're unusable, recycle every material I can separate, and even take my electronics to electronics recyclers.
As I've said many times here, when I upgraded from the 5 to the 5S, for instance, Gazelle gave me $30 more for my 5 than I paid for it. I was able to upgrade not only to the 5S, but also double storage from 32GB to 64GB for a grand total of $69.
If I would have stuck with 32GB, I would have actually MADE money in the transaction. Well, that's not 100% true, since ATT charges you $35 (I think that's what it currently is) to upgrade early. Essentially, it would have cost me nothing.
That's really the only reason I upgrade every year now. It's more or less free, and I get a new phone!
True, but there wasn't any indication given that it would significantly affect device performance either. One can't be said to have made ones' own bed by choosing to upgrade when one doesn't have the information necessary to make an informed choice.
Personally, I'm glad Apple afforded me the opportunity to find out for myself whether or not I like the new software on my old device. I just wish they had also given me the option to back out of it if I didn't.
FWIW, some of the performance hit I suffered after installing iOS7 has been remedied by wiping the phone and reinstalling everything from scratch. That was time consuming and a nuisance, but it did help.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/162027/iphone-upgraders-leave-nearly-13-5b-in-old-hardware-to-collect-dust#post_2471353" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>digitalclips</strong> <a href="/t/162027/iphone-upgraders-leave-nearly-13-5b-in-old-hardware-to-collect-dust#post_2471353"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />Guility as charged. I have every iPod, every iPhone and every iPad and many, many Macs in a cupboard. I am a incurable Appleholic.</div></div><p> </p><p>This is the only thread where we can boast of how many Apple products we have and not be called trolls!</p><p> </p><p>So here goes:</p><p>iPod 3rd Gen</p><p>iPod Photo</p><p>iMac 27" late-2009</p><p>iPhone</p><p>iPhone 3G</p><p>iPhone 3GS</p><p>iPhone 4</p><p>iPhone 4S</p><p>iPhone 5</p><p>iPhone 5s</p><p>MacBook Pro 15" early-2011</p><p>Mac Mini 2006</p><p>2 Mac Minis 2013</p><p>MacBook Air 2012</p><p>Apple TV</p><p>iPad</p><p>iPad 2</p><p>iPad 3rd Gen.</p><p>iPad 4th Gen.</p><p>iPad Air</p><p>iPad Mini</p><p> </p><p>Of course, not all of them are in use!!</p>
You're acting like 'planned obsolescence' is bad. I'd much rather know how long I can expect a device to receive updates and be supported than to be caught off guard.
Yes, Virginia, planned obsolesence is bad. It means things wear out too soon or are changed only to make them look new and the old look old. Naughty capitalism.
Technical progress is good, and it is inevitable and predictable. Change not for the sake of change, but because things can be made better. Leads to natural, unavoidable obsolescence.
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin-bottom:.5em;margin-top:.4em;">"Planned systemic obsolescence is the deliberate attempt to make a product obsolete by altering the system in which it is used in such a way as to make its continued use difficult"</p>
Deep stuff. I bet you hated going into puberty, leaving the old childhood system behind
My 3G and 4 are permenanrly plugged into cars as iPods, my 5, I gave to my wife, I use a 5s, my kids use my old Galaxy Nexus, a Nexus 4 and my Galaxy S4 is a spare.
That is child abuse; seriously. (No fun to be made about matters like that.)
Children are supposed to be our future - and onto yours you bestow your dark Android past?
No offense; but if you and your wife are on iOS - why are you fragmenting you family like that? How about FaceTime, or Find my Friends?
And if your kids are little and you think they wouldn't mind the difference or not appreciate an iPhone, even worse: Formative years don't make negative experiences any less bad. Quite the contrary.
If you can get a 5C for the subsidized price on your family plan, it's a no-brainer. I am in Europe and have to pay full retail; which including VAT is $821 for a 16GB iPhone 5C - and even then it is a no-brainer to me.
If you're subscribing to Katherine Rampell's view, she of the NY Times, that Apple deliberately cripples their older devices with their software updates so that you'll buy a new device, then I won't have much to say to you. The idea is absurd on its face, was widely howled at when it was published (see for example Gruber on the subject), and I have to say only attractive to someone with the sort of simple mind as Ms. Rampell exhibits.
If you're subscribing to Katherine Rampell's view, she of the NY Times, that Apple deliberately cripples their older devices with their software updates so that you'll buy a new device, then I won't have much to say to you. The idea is absurd on its face, was widely howled at when it was published (see for example Gruber on the subject), and I have to say only attractive to someone with the sort of simple mind as Ms. Rampell exhibits.
You want to think like that, go ahead on.
This isn't about Apple, at all. Do you deny that the tech industry thrives on replacing devices that are fully functional if not for software? People replacing working devices is part of the plan for the industry. That's planned obsolescence. Period. I also happen to not mind it, being the well-funded consumer I am.
My initial point was that this high tech plan of replacing obsolete devices is materially wasteful, and that should be obvious. Then I get a couple zealots wearing blinders trying to dismiss statements that are indisputable with arguments that don't apply to the issue.
"You're wrong because I don't like a New York Times story that has nothing to do with your point." Good one.
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YEAH. That sure fits the bill¡
And YEAH. You sure were forced to update¡
Who are you? Aunt Linda from SNL?
Who are you? Aunt Linda from SNL?
No rebuttal. Good to know.
No rebuttal. Good to know.
Where's the rebuttal in your sarcastic and meaningless response?
Or maybe you were agreeing with me?
Where's the rebuttal in your sarcastic and meaningless response?
If you’d read it, you’d see that I was disagreeing with you. That’s blindingly obvious to anyone who read the words in the order they were written.
You’re wrong, fundamentally. Stop being wrong.
If you’d read it, you’d see that I was disagreeing with you. That’s blindingly obvious to anyone who read the words in the order they were written.
You’re wrong, fundamentally. Stop being wrong.
So no rebuttal. Good to know.
I know a guy that buys gadgets as they come out, always superseding one with the next, who ends up with piles of gadgets hanging around his living space.
I'm not remotely like that. I have no disposable income, so the only things that are disposable to me are tissues and toilet paper. I use things till they're unusable, recycle every material I can separate, and even take my electronics to electronics recyclers.
As I've said many times here, when I upgraded from the 5 to the 5S, for instance, Gazelle gave me $30 more for my 5 than I paid for it. I was able to upgrade not only to the 5S, but also double storage from 32GB to 64GB for a grand total of $69.
If I would have stuck with 32GB, I would have actually MADE money in the transaction. Well, that's not 100% true, since ATT charges you $35 (I think that's what it currently is) to upgrade early. Essentially, it would have cost me nothing.
That's really the only reason I upgrade every year now. It's more or less free, and I get a new phone!
Excuse me?
What? That he has no understanding of history, or geography?
Seriously, don't we have a PM system here? Can these little snark-fests that end up totally derailing threads be moved there?*
* = I don't pretend that I have not been guilty of the same in the past. But come on, guys.
True, but there wasn't any indication given that it would significantly affect device performance either. One can't be said to have made ones' own bed by choosing to upgrade when one doesn't have the information necessary to make an informed choice.
Personally, I'm glad Apple afforded me the opportunity to find out for myself whether or not I like the new software on my old device. I just wish they had also given me the option to back out of it if I didn't.
FWIW, some of the performance hit I suffered after installing iOS7 has been remedied by wiping the phone and reinstalling everything from scratch. That was time consuming and a nuisance, but it did help.
No Macro?
Yes, Virginia, planned obsolesence is bad. It means things wear out too soon or are changed only to make them look new and the old look old. Naughty capitalism.
Technical progress is good, and it is inevitable and predictable. Change not for the sake of change, but because things can be made better. Leads to natural, unavoidable obsolescence.
Deep stuff. I bet you hated going into puberty, leaving the old childhood system behind
No Macro?
Guess you meant Mac Pro? No, I don't have one yet. The bank heist didn't work out...
Deep stuff. I bet you hated going into puberty, leaving the old childhood system behind
So no rebuttal. Good to know.
Tallest Skil is on to something here.
Tallest Skil is on to something here.
It was pretty effective in destroying any support for your position, at any rate.
That is child abuse; seriously. (No fun to be made about matters like that.)
Children are supposed to be our future - and onto yours you bestow your dark Android past?
No offense; but if you and your wife are on iOS - why are you fragmenting you family like that? How about FaceTime, or Find my Friends?
And if your kids are little and you think they wouldn't mind the difference or not appreciate an iPhone, even worse: Formative years don't make negative experiences any less bad. Quite the contrary.
If you can get a 5C for the subsidized price on your family plan, it's a no-brainer. I am in Europe and have to pay full retail; which including VAT is $821 for a 16GB iPhone 5C - and even then it is a no-brainer to me.
For that, I applaud you.
It was pretty effective in destroying any support for your position, at any rate.
Your words, in the order you typed them, agreed with me.
If you're subscribing to Katherine Rampell's view, she of the NY Times, that Apple deliberately cripples their older devices with their software updates so that you'll buy a new device, then I won't have much to say to you. The idea is absurd on its face, was widely howled at when it was published (see for example Gruber on the subject), and I have to say only attractive to someone with the sort of simple mind as Ms. Rampell exhibits.
You want to think like that, go ahead on.
If you're subscribing to Katherine Rampell's view, she of the NY Times, that Apple deliberately cripples their older devices with their software updates so that you'll buy a new device, then I won't have much to say to you. The idea is absurd on its face, was widely howled at when it was published (see for example Gruber on the subject), and I have to say only attractive to someone with the sort of simple mind as Ms. Rampell exhibits.
You want to think like that, go ahead on.
This isn't about Apple, at all. Do you deny that the tech industry thrives on replacing devices that are fully functional if not for software? People replacing working devices is part of the plan for the industry. That's planned obsolescence. Period. I also happen to not mind it, being the well-funded consumer I am.
My initial point was that this high tech plan of replacing obsolete devices is materially wasteful, and that should be obvious. Then I get a couple zealots wearing blinders trying to dismiss statements that are indisputable with arguments that don't apply to the issue.
"You're wrong because I don't like a New York Times story that has nothing to do with your point." Good one.