Correct - not a single word taken by itself disproves his statement. Rather, it is a group of words…
Talk about splitting hairs.
…states in very clear language: “ t doesn’t get PC viruses”,
Which. does. not. disprove. his. statement.
0+0 is still 0. 0*0 is still 0.
One cannot successfully make the argument that Apple is stating the Mac isn't susceptible to "PC viruses" simply because it's not running Windows.
Before we have to call you a fool, do you mean to say that this cannot be inferred from only the information he presented, only the information Apple presented, or only all information available to us?
Because the above is wrong; I just want to know how wrong it is before saying so.
If they weren’t (incorrectly) promoting the fact that Macs don’t get viruses…
Because they weren’t doing that. Reading the image would show you.
…then why did they change the ad later, leaving themselves lots of wiggle room with new wording that doesn’t use the word “virus”…
Probably because not all malware is viruses, given that it happened right around the time that there was a new trojan for OS X (patched a week later).
The weakest link in the chain is you. Apple can protect you from your own idiocy only so well. There will always be people who install anything from anywhere at any time. Gatekeeper and… whatever the automated thing is. I forget the name. The thing that catches these files in the background… already do 90% of the work for you. In their minds, the rest being your fault isn’t worth them wasting the time being sued over.
Correct - not a single word taken by itself disproves his statement. Rather, it is a group of words that states in very clear language: "It doesn't get PC viruses", further stating directly under that text that a Mac has "built-in defenses in OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part" Very black and white. One cannot successfully make the argument that Apple is stating the Mac isn't susceptible to "PC viruses" simply because it's not running Windows. They call out the fact that the Mac will "keep you safe, without any work on your part". Just read the next column in the ad: "Safeguard your data. By doing nothing"
If they weren't (incorrectly) promoting the fact that Macs don't get viruses, then why did they change the ad later, leaving themselves lots of wiggle room with new wording that doesn't use the word "virus" and clarifies that a Mac will "help keep you safe"? There is a very large difference between:
This is kindergarten logic here. They don't get Windows PC viruses and Windows don't get *nix or Android viruses. It's not that hard. They also don't say "keep you safe," in regards to being susceptible to malware, as you claim, but rather "help keep you safe." They clearly have added many aspects to the OS to help in that regard. Again, they have never started nor suggested that OS X was infallible or incapable of ever getting a virus and you original assertion is flawed on every level.
Installed the update, now Safari crashes every time I close a tab, then crashreport starts running, taking up 110% of the CPU time.
Turned crashreport off, Safari still crashes when I close a tab. I have to drag a tab to another monitor so it becomes its own window and then close the window. No one else seems to be suffering this problem.
I just installed the update onto my MacBook Pro… and now the speakers do NOT work! Still get sound via bluetooth, but no sound out via the speakers at all… geez.
-e
Don't know if this is of any help but I looked into my Library folder at /Preferences/Audio and found two sets of .plist files: one pair apparently renamed and the other pair created today just at the time I upgraded.
com.apple.audio.DeviceSettings.plist
com.apple.audio.DeviceSettings.plist~orig
com.apple.audio.SystemSettings.plist
com.apple.audio.SystemSettings.plist~orig
Maybe you or someone smarter than either of us can figure out if your problem involves these files.
Something else to try is downloading the 10.9.2 Combo update (OSXUpdCombo10.9.2.dmg) and installing again with it. I've found that installing updates with the Combo works better than just the normal update. Fewer problems.
Correct - not a single word taken by itself disproves his statement. Rather, it is a group of words that states in very clear language: "It doesn't get PC viruses", further stating directly under that text that a Mac has "built-in defenses in OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part" Very black and white. One cannot successfully make the argument that Apple is stating the Mac isn't susceptible to "PC viruses" simply because it's not running Windows. They call out the fact that the Mac will "keep you safe, without any work on your part". Just read the next column in the ad: "Safeguard your data. By doing nothing"
If they weren't (incorrectly) promoting the fact that Macs don't get viruses, then why did they change the ad later, leaving themselves lots of wiggle room with new wording that doesn't use the word "virus" and clarifies that a Mac will "help keep you safe"? There is a very large difference between:
<p style="margin-left:40px;">[SIZE=22px]"It doesn’t get PC viruses."[/SIZE]</p>
<p style="margin-left:40px;">"A Mac isn't susceptible to the the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part."</p>
One of Apple's lawyers will probably have advised them that the wording of 'It doesn't get PC viruses' was too loose, because some hapless soul might sue Apple when they received a PC virus in their email, even though it wouldn't run; they still 'got' a PC virus.
Edit: and, of course, running Windows in Bootcamp could lead to a virus.
In fact, neither of the quoted Apple statements says that Apple is immune to viruses, nor that it is impossible to get a virus on a Mac.
That scene was posted to this forum a couple weeks ago. It was the first time I had ever seen a clip from that show and makes me want to watch the show after I finish up with my current season of shows.
[VIDEO]
in my opinion that was good in my opinion I would like to watch that again what show is this from
Spoke to soon. Have about 10 emails that were deleted elsewhere yesterday and today but their still
in the mammal inbox. not the all mail folder but inbox. It just irritates the hell out of me.
There are mailbox behavior settings, they might be out of sync between your various iterations? I had noticed items piling up in one account and it turned out I had a settings issue.... If it were convenient perhaps a visit to an Apple store to get it sorted out?
Spoke to soon. Have about 10 emails that were deleted elsewhere yesterday and today but their still
in the mammal inbox. not the all mail folder but inbox. It just irritates the hell out of me.
This is kindergarten logic here. They don't get Windows PC viruses and Windows don't get *nix or Android viruses. It's not that hard. They also don't say "keep you safe," in regards to being susceptible to malware, as you claim, but rather "help keep you safe." They clearly have added many aspects to the OS to help in that regard. Again, they have never started nor suggested that OS X was infallible or incapable of ever getting a virus and you original assertion is flawed on every level.
Show me in this wording below, which is a direct cut and paste from the old ad, where they use the word "help" in the manner you suggest. It isn't there. Did you even read it?
It doesn’t get PC viruses.
A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part.
Safeguard your data. By doing nothing.
With virtually no effort on your part, OS X defends against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware. For example, it thwarts hackers through a technique called “sandboxing” — restricting what actions programs can perform on your Mac, what files they can access, and what other programs they can launch. With FileVault 2, your data is safe and secure — even if it falls into the wrong hands. FileVault 2 encrypts the entire drive on your Mac, protecting your data with XTS-AESW 128 encryption. Initial encryption is fast and unobtrusive. It can also encrypt any removable drive, helping you secure Time Machine backups or other external drives with ease. Other automatic security features include Library Randomization, which prevents malicious commands from finding their targets, and Execute Disable, which protects the memory in your Mac from attacks.
Download with peace of mind.
Innocent-looking files downloaded over the Internet may contain dangerous malware in disguise. That’s why files you download using Safari, Mail, and iChat are screened to determine if they contain applications. If they do, OS X alerts you, then warns you the first time you open one.
Stay up to date, automatically.
When a potential security threat arises, Apple responds quickly by providing software updates and security enhancements you can download automatically and install with a click. So you’re not tasked with tracking down updates yourself and installing all of them one by one.
One of Apple's lawyers will probably have advised them that the wording of 'It doesn't get PC viruses' was too loose, because some hapless soul might sue Apple when they received a PC virus in their email, even though it wouldn't run; they still 'got' a PC virus.
Edit: and, of course, running Windows in Bootcamp could lead to a virus.
In fact, neither of the quoted Apple statements says that Apple is immune to viruses, nor that it is impossible to get a virus on a Mac.
Apple has removed a widely publicized support document from its website that encouraged Mac OS X users to install antivirus software, explaining that its operating system was designed with safeguards to protect against malicious attacks on its own.
The recommendation drew widespread attention given that the Mac maker has been critical in its television advertisements of Windows users' need to stock up on virus detection software while its own computers remain immune to viral threats.
Kindergarten must be where you left your brain. Show me in this wording below, which is a direct cut and paste from the old ad, where they use the word "help" in the manner you suggest. It isn't there. Did you even read it?
<h2>It doesn’t get PC viruses.</h2>
A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part.
<h3>Safeguard your data. By doing nothing.</h3>
With virtually no effort on your part, OS X defends against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware. For example, it thwarts hackers through a technique called “sandboxing” — restricting what actions programs can perform on your Mac, what files they can access, and what other programs they can launch. With FileVault 2, your data is safe and secure — even if it falls into the wrong hands. FileVault 2 encrypts the entire drive on your Mac, protecting your data with XTS-AESW 128 encryption. Initial encryption is fast and unobtrusive. It can also encrypt any removable drive, helping you secure Time Machine backups or other external drives with ease. Other automatic security features include Library Randomization, which prevents malicious commands from finding their targets, and Execute Disable, which protects the memory in your Mac from attacks.
<h3>Download with peace of mind.</h3>
Innocent-looking files downloaded over the Internet may contain dangerous malware in disguise. That’s why files you download using Safari, Mail, and iChat are screened to determine if they contain applications. If they do, OS X alerts you, then warns you the first time you open one.
<h3>Stay up to date, automatically.</h3>
When a potential security threat arises, Apple responds quickly by providing software updates and security enhancements you can download automatically and install with a click. So you’re not tasked with tracking down updates yourself and installing all of them one by one.
1) I was using help in regards to your previous post but they do use help in the same way in the sentence "helping you secure Time Machine backups."
2) Read what they wrote. This is marketing speak but it's all truthful. If, however, you think Apple lied then you have a case against a company with deep pockets. Good luck¡
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Making a mistake doesn't mean their statement is untrue.
Talk about splitting hairs.
Which. does. not. disprove. his. statement.
0+0 is still 0. 0*0 is still 0.
Before we have to call you a fool, do you mean to say that this cannot be inferred from only the information he presented, only the information Apple presented, or only all information available to us?
Because the above is wrong; I just want to know how wrong it is before saying so.
If they weren’t (incorrectly) promoting the fact that Macs don’t get viruses…
Because they weren’t doing that. Reading the image would show you.
…then why did they change the ad later, leaving themselves lots of wiggle room with new wording that doesn’t use the word “virus”…
Probably because not all malware is viruses, given that it happened right around the time that there was a new trojan for OS X (patched a week later).
The weakest link in the chain is you. Apple can protect you from your own idiocy only so well. There will always be people who install anything from anywhere at any time. Gatekeeper and… whatever the automated thing is. I forget the name. The thing that catches these files in the background… already do 90% of the work for you. In their minds, the rest being your fault isn’t worth them wasting the time being sued over.
This is kindergarten logic here. They don't get Windows PC viruses and Windows don't get *nix or Android viruses. It's not that hard. They also don't say "keep you safe," in regards to being susceptible to malware, as you claim, but rather "help keep you safe." They clearly have added many aspects to the OS to help in that regard. Again, they have never started nor suggested that OS X was infallible or incapable of ever getting a virus and you original assertion is flawed on every level.
I find iCloud to work well in Mavericks. I suggest you switch from gmail to iCloud.
Installed the update, now Safari crashes every time I close a tab, then crashreport starts running, taking up 110% of the CPU time.
Turned crashreport off, Safari still crashes when I close a tab. I have to drag a tab to another monitor so it becomes its own window and then close the window. No one else seems to be suffering this problem.
I just installed the update onto my MacBook Pro… and now the speakers do NOT work! Still get sound via bluetooth, but no sound out via the speakers at all… geez.
-e
Don't know if this is of any help but I looked into my Library folder at /Preferences/Audio and found two sets of .plist files: one pair apparently renamed and the other pair created today just at the time I upgraded.
com.apple.audio.DeviceSettings.plist
com.apple.audio.DeviceSettings.plist~orig
com.apple.audio.SystemSettings.plist
com.apple.audio.SystemSettings.plist~orig
Maybe you or someone smarter than either of us can figure out if your problem involves these files.
Something else to try is downloading the 10.9.2 Combo update (OSXUpdCombo10.9.2.dmg) and installing again with it. I've found that installing updates with the Combo works better than just the normal update. Fewer problems.
One of Apple's lawyers will probably have advised them that the wording of 'It doesn't get PC viruses' was too loose, because some hapless soul might sue Apple when they received a PC virus in their email, even though it wouldn't run; they still 'got' a PC virus.
Edit: and, of course, running Windows in Bootcamp could lead to a virus.
In fact, neither of the quoted Apple statements says that Apple is immune to viruses, nor that it is impossible to get a virus on a Mac.
I find iCloud to work well in Mavericks. I suggest you switch from gmail to iCloud.
Yeah, I also use an iCloud account and at one time forwarded the gmail to it but there are some personal reasons
why it didn't work out the way I would have liked it to. I hate google now a days but the gmail incorporates really
well with everything I have going right now. I can't even remember why I didn't like to forward it to iCloud, probably
something petty but I like the shit to work the way its supposed to. Anyway, Im very happy to say that it looks like
gmail is keeping everything in sync with mac mail, web mail and devices finally. Im a happy camper.
Thank You Apple....
I find iCloud to work well in Mavericks. I suggest you switch from gmail to iCloud.
Spoke to soon. Have about 10 emails that were deleted elsewhere yesterday and today but their still
in the mammal inbox. not the all mail folder but inbox. It just irritates the hell out of me.
Actually, so would I.
????
Spoke to soon. Have about 10 emails that were deleted elsewhere yesterday and today but their still
in the mammal inbox. not the all mail folder but inbox. It just irritates the hell out of me.
There are mailbox behavior settings, they might be out of sync between your various iterations? I had noticed items piling up in one account and it turned out I had a settings issue.... If it were convenient perhaps a visit to an Apple store to get it sorted out?
IMO there's just not going to be a way to make internet connected computers bullet-proof for consumers. Now enterprise systems being targeted with unique, sophisticated and unrecoverable attacks.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/022614-rsa-apple-attack-279212.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-02-26
Then take the plunge!
This is kindergarten logic here. They don't get Windows PC viruses and Windows don't get *nix or Android viruses. It's not that hard. They also don't say "keep you safe," in regards to being susceptible to malware, as you claim, but rather "help keep you safe." They clearly have added many aspects to the OS to help in that regard. Again, they have never started nor suggested that OS X was infallible or incapable of ever getting a virus and you original assertion is flawed on every level.
Show me in this wording below, which is a direct cut and paste from the old ad, where they use the word "help" in the manner you suggest. It isn't there. Did you even read it?
It doesn’t get PC viruses.
A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part.
Safeguard your data. By doing nothing.
With virtually no effort on your part, OS X defends against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware. For example, it thwarts hackers through a technique called “sandboxing” — restricting what actions programs can perform on your Mac, what files they can access, and what other programs they can launch. With FileVault 2, your data is safe and secure — even if it falls into the wrong hands. FileVault 2 encrypts the entire drive on your Mac, protecting your data with XTS-AESW 128 encryption. Initial encryption is fast and unobtrusive. It can also encrypt any removable drive, helping you secure Time Machine backups or other external drives with ease. Other automatic security features include Library Randomization, which prevents malicious commands from finding their targets, and Execute Disable, which protects the memory in your Mac from attacks.
Download with peace of mind.
Innocent-looking files downloaded over the Internet may contain dangerous malware in disguise. That’s why files you download using Safari, Mail, and iChat are screened to determine if they contain applications. If they do, OS X alerts you, then warns you the first time you open one.
Stay up to date, automatically.
When a potential security threat arises, Apple responds quickly by providing software updates and security enhancements you can download automatically and install with a click. So you’re not tasked with tracking down updates yourself and installing all of them one by one.
Kindergarten must be where you left your brain.
I stopped reading your post right there.
One of Apple's lawyers will probably have advised them that the wording of 'It doesn't get PC viruses' was too loose, because some hapless soul might sue Apple when they received a PC virus in their email, even though it wouldn't run; they still 'got' a PC virus.
Edit: and, of course, running Windows in Bootcamp could lead to a virus.
In fact, neither of the quoted Apple statements says that Apple is immune to viruses, nor that it is impossible to get a virus on a Mac.
Hmmm...
http://appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/03/apple_pulls_support_note_recommending_antivirus_software
Apple pulls support note recommending antivirus software
By AppleInsider Staff
Apple has removed a widely publicized support document from its website that encouraged Mac OS X users to install antivirus software, explaining that its operating system was designed with safeguards to protect against malicious attacks on its own.
The recommendation drew widespread attention given that the Mac maker has been critical in its television advertisements of Windows users' need to stock up on virus detection software while its own computers remain immune to viral threats.
I stopped reading your post right there.
Excellent! And you even took time to reply and let me know how much you read. How thoughtful of you.
1) I was using help in regards to your previous post but they do use help in the same way in the sentence "helping you secure Time Machine backups."
2) Read what they wrote. This is marketing speak but it's all truthful. If, however, you think Apple lied then you have a case against a company with deep pockets. Good luck¡