Those are all real products. But they are all "me too" products or services.
While almost none of those products were the first to market, a number of them became benchmarks by which other products are measured. For example, while there were many search engines before Google, pagerank redefined expectations for a search engine's speed and accuracy. Chrome was not the first internet browser, but it set the standard for browser security with its comprehensive process isolation system which was subsequently adopted by most other browsers; Safari was the most recent browser to sandbox each tab, while Firefox still lags in this regard.
Chrome was not the first internet browser, but it set the standard for browser security with its comprehensive process isolation system which was subsequently adopted by most other browsers; Safari was the most recent browser to sandbox each tab, while Firefox is still lagging in this regard.
Neither was Safari but Apple set the standard for excellent with their open WebKit engine that Google adopted for Chrome.
A current listing from Amazon means nothing. They are actually less useful than channel numbers.
I'm well aware that any source suggesting anything other then the Chromebook being a total failure will mean nothing to many here, but I don't believe that's the case for everyone. And for every source saying one thing another source can be found saying the opposite.
I'm well aware that any source suggesting anything other then the Chromebook being a total failure will mean nothing to many here, but I don't believe that's the case for everyone. And for every source saying one thing another source can be found saying the opposite.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked that you didn't interpret my comment properly since you clearly understand what Amazon's current ranking numbers mean to an industry.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked that you didn't interpret my comment properly since you clearly understand what Amazon's current ranking numbers mean to an industry.
Earth shattering? Nope
Industry changing? Nope
Meaningless? Only to those that have a preconcieved notion that they're trying to cling to.
Believe what you want. If you want to believe that the Chromebook is an utter failure (despite evidence to the contrary from multiple sources) then you are more then welcome to. I don't have much interest in spending a lot of energy trying to convince anyone here otherwise.
Believe what you want. If you want to believe that the Chromebook is an utter failure (despite evidence to the contrary from multiple sources) then you are more then welcome to. I don't have much interest in spending a lot of energy trying to convince anyone here otherwise.
:sigh: Can objectivity and common sense really be that hard? I neither stated nor implied it was an "utter failure." I clearly said your data means nothing. Nothing means nothing. If the data showed all Macs in the list it would still mean nothing.
It's no secret that the identity of the companies Apple acquires often makes it apparent why the company bought them.
Unlike Facebook, whose very public purchase of WhatsApp is inexplicable. Okay, so it has a half billion users, but FB says it's not going to change the WA product at all. No surprise to me, what the heck could they do with it anyway?
The thing about Google us it needs other peoples hardware to push its software. If it becomes a real threat to Microsoft, how long before Microsoft stops putting its search engine into Windows. Amazon have already done it with their Kindle Fires. What if Microsoft and Apple followed suite. I have changed my default search engine to bing, use Apples maps instead of Google Maps and don't use gmail(except for my account on Android). I get by quite well without Google thank you very much.
I find it comical how when waxing poetic about Apple, the disciples boast how Apple isn't ever first into the market with a music player, phone, tablet, etc but once they decide to enter the market they show everyone one else how to do it better, however, whenever they describe Google it is always "me too" copy, not innovative. Google releases products that also redefined and re-imagine what others have done before and they have certainly disrupted the industry in nearly everything I listed, in addition to a lot more. I just didn't want to make the list too overwhelming. Some rabid Apple fans give rational Apple fans a bad name because they live by a double standard. The same thing that is perfection for Apple is a dishonorable embarrassment for Google. i think thou protests too much. If you did not feel so threatened by Google you wouldn't make such totally unsupported allegations. Furthermore no one has yet to prove that Google sells personal information. It is an urban myth. I'm not saying they don't gather it, just that they don't sell it.
well, you see- when Apple released their products into those markets there was an earth shattering kABOOM!
Google? never...
thats why they can and will always be a "me to" company. Sure, their search is nice, but I neither use nor do I need their search.
In summary, if you could see my pumping hand gesture near my crotch you would know what I think of google altogether.
Similarly, I have been using each for years in professional environments and I have no idea how you cannot see the similarities. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Even if DNA testing were to prove that it is not in fact a duck, it would still share similarities to a duck in both look and sound.
I don't think you have much experience with either method. For example, lets take something you said earlier:
"With the waterfall method the end consumer sees the finished product without any involvement to the design method used on the inside. I think we both agree on that. This would be similar to Apple's approach with iOS and OSX. "
First off, your lead in sentence is categorically false on oh so many levels but that is besides the point. But let's take iOS and OS X and see if this statement rings true.
Apple, when releasing a new version of the OS, announces it at some event like WWDC. At WWDC, Apple will give Developer Releases (DR) of the as of yet unreleased OS to all registered developers. This allows three things to happen:
1) Developers can start porting their applications to the new OS taking advantage of new APIs.
2) Developers can do regression checks on their applications to the new OS.
3) Developers can provide feedback to Apple about UI, usability and basic bugs.
Apple will take data from point 3 and release a new DR of the, as of yet still unreleased, OS. This process will continue for 3-4 months with new releases springing forth every 1-3 weeks each including various enhancements, color schemes, bugs fixes and other OS issues being worked out. The OS is then released to the general public. And yes, I have filed many bugs and worked loosely with Apple engineers to help reproduce and isolate their behavior. This iterative approach is also used for interim releases between major releases.
By your weak understanding of software development methodologies (and perhaps Apple as well), you your yourself would require Apple to be using Agile.
I am saying we do not have the in sites to make this determination.
As much as some here want to call the Chromebook a failure it appears that the rest of the world disagrees with those select few AI forum members.
So Chromebooks are popular bookends. That is all that data suggests.
Again, web analytics after web analytics point to very few people actually USING ChromeOS. To me, that is a failure. It is a product, like Netbooks, that will fade very quickly as most people realize they are mostly worthless as real computing devices.
8) It can show you webpage search results on the Google Now screen instead of Siri's clunky and exhaustive method of having you input your passcode/TouchID and take you to Safari to then load search results.
So Chromebooks are popular bookends. That is all that data suggests.
Again, web analytics after web analytics point to very few people actually USING ChromeOS. To me, that is a failure. It is a product, like Netbooks, that will fade very quickly as most people realize they are mostly worthless as real computing devices.
I think you're probably right. I personally doubt they've been any sort of commercial success. They did succeed in making MS pay attention if nothing else.
It's unfortunate for MS that their first attempt was awful but on the bright side not many cared enough to even take notice.
This is just another example of Apple thinking through nearly everything before showing it publicly. Of course they have to follow in Siri's footsteps because Apple designed Siri properly the first time.
As much as some here want to call the Chromebook a failure it appears that the rest of the world disagrees with those select few AI forum members.
While I don't doubt that Chromebooks sell, like netbooks did purely because of their price point, there hasn't been any noticeable blip on any web usage reports that shows Chrome OS showing up in meaningful numbers. Also, Amazon isn't really a market indicator because a lot of folks that are purchasing from Amazon are hyper price conscious and it isn't a bellwether for the industry as a whole because their ranked lists are in constant flux. I wouldn't even consider them a bellwether when Apple products were on the list.
Remember when you used Amazon data to "prove" how well Microsoft’s Zune was selling? That was hilarious.
I think you have me mistaken for someone else, Daniel. You're more then welcome to link to what you're referring to though. However, much like the time you asked me to point out factual innacuracies in your articles because you didn't believe there were any (which I sent to you), I doubt there will be any response or Corrections on your part.
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You raise some valid points but as I mentioned earlier, with each back and forth we get further and further from the point. I could certainly respond with the parts that I disagree with but it's getting to the point that it's becoming tedious. We're way past the initial point and I can't see the benefit.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Even if DNA testing were to prove that it is not in fact a duck, it would still share similarities to a duck in both look and sound. If you can't see the similarities then you can't see the similarities. C'est la vie.
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Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy
They have a few decent products:
Search
Maps
Earth
Picasa
Finance
Analytics
Sketch Up
Translate
Drive
Check Out
Patent Search
Chrome Browser
Voice
Books
Image Search
Those are all real products. But they are all "me too" products or services.
While almost none of those products were the first to market, a number of them became benchmarks by which other products are measured. For example, while there were many search engines before Google, pagerank redefined expectations for a search engine's speed and accuracy. Chrome was not the first internet browser, but it set the standard for browser security with its comprehensive process isolation system which was subsequently adopted by most other browsers; Safari was the most recent browser to sandbox each tab, while Firefox still lags in this regard.
A current listing from Amazon means nothing. They are actually less useful than channel numbers.
Neither was Safari but Apple set the standard for excellent with their open WebKit engine that Google adopted for Chrome.
So Amazon is the only place to buy PCs?
A current listing from Amazon means nothing. They are actually less useful than channel numbers.
I'm well aware that any source suggesting anything other then the Chromebook being a total failure will mean nothing to many here, but I don't believe that's the case for everyone. And for every source saying one thing another source can be found saying the opposite.
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So Amazon is the only place to buy PCs?
I guess I shouldn't be shocked that you didn't interpret my comment properly since you clearly understand what Amazon's current ranking numbers mean to an industry.
I guess I shouldn't be shocked that you didn't interpret my comment properly since you clearly understand what Amazon's current ranking numbers mean to an industry.
Earth shattering? Nope
Industry changing? Nope
Meaningless? Only to those that have a preconcieved notion that they're trying to cling to.
Believe what you want. If you want to believe that the Chromebook is an utter failure (despite evidence to the contrary from multiple sources) then you are more then welcome to. I don't have much interest in spending a lot of energy trying to convince anyone here otherwise.
:sigh: Can objectivity and common sense really be that hard? I neither stated nor implied it was an "utter failure." I clearly said your data means nothing. Nothing means nothing. If the data showed all Macs in the list it would still mean nothing.
Unlike Facebook, whose very public purchase of WhatsApp is inexplicable. Okay, so it has a half billion users, but FB says it's not going to change the WA product at all. No surprise to me, what the heck could they do with it anyway?
No surprise to me, what the heck could they do with it anyway?
What’s a dirty-sounding word for glean?
Slurp, I guess. They’re going to slurp more personal information from it.
I find it comical how when waxing poetic about Apple, the disciples boast how Apple isn't ever first into the market with a music player, phone, tablet, etc but once they decide to enter the market they show everyone one else how to do it better, however, whenever they describe Google it is always "me too" copy, not innovative. Google releases products that also redefined and re-imagine what others have done before and they have certainly disrupted the industry in nearly everything I listed, in addition to a lot more. I just didn't want to make the list too overwhelming. Some rabid Apple fans give rational Apple fans a bad name because they live by a double standard. The same thing that is perfection for Apple is a dishonorable embarrassment for Google. i think thou protests too much. If you did not feel so threatened by Google you wouldn't make such totally unsupported allegations. Furthermore no one has yet to prove that Google sells personal information. It is an urban myth. I'm not saying they don't gather it, just that they don't sell it.
well, you see- when Apple released their products into those markets there was an earth shattering kABOOM!
Google? never...
thats why they can and will always be a "me to" company. Sure, their search is nice, but I neither use nor do I need their search.
In summary, if you could see my pumping hand gesture near my crotch you would know what I think of google altogether.
Have a google-y day 8^)
Similarly, I have been using each for years in professional environments and I have no idea how you cannot see the similarities. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Even if DNA testing were to prove that it is not in fact a duck, it would still share similarities to a duck in both look and sound.
I don't think you have much experience with either method. For example, lets take something you said earlier:
"With the waterfall method the end consumer sees the finished product without any involvement to the design method used on the inside. I think we both agree on that. This would be similar to Apple's approach with iOS and OSX. "
First off, your lead in sentence is categorically false on oh so many levels but that is besides the point. But let's take iOS and OS X and see if this statement rings true.
Apple, when releasing a new version of the OS, announces it at some event like WWDC. At WWDC, Apple will give Developer Releases (DR) of the as of yet unreleased OS to all registered developers. This allows three things to happen:
1) Developers can start porting their applications to the new OS taking advantage of new APIs.
2) Developers can do regression checks on their applications to the new OS.
3) Developers can provide feedback to Apple about UI, usability and basic bugs.
Apple will take data from point 3 and release a new DR of the, as of yet still unreleased, OS. This process will continue for 3-4 months with new releases springing forth every 1-3 weeks each including various enhancements, color schemes, bugs fixes and other OS issues being worked out. The OS is then released to the general public. And yes, I have filed many bugs and worked loosely with Apple engineers to help reproduce and isolate their behavior. This iterative approach is also used for interim releases between major releases.
By your weak understanding of software development methodologies (and perhaps Apple as well), you your yourself would require Apple to be using Agile.
I am saying we do not have the in sites to make this determination.
Amazon's Top 100 Best Selling laptops: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/565108
Amazon's Top 100 Rated laptops: http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/electronics/565108
As much as some here want to call the Chromebook a failure it appears that the rest of the world disagrees with those select few AI forum members.
So Chromebooks are popular bookends. That is all that data suggests.
Again, web analytics after web analytics point to very few people actually USING ChromeOS. To me, that is a failure. It is a product, like Netbooks, that will fade very quickly as most people realize they are mostly worthless as real computing devices.
Microsoft wants in on a SIRI lookalike apparently.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/3/5465264/microsoft-cortana-windows-phone-screenshots
The more things change the more they start looking alike.
It's unfortunate for MS that their first attempt was awful but on the bright side not many cared enough to even take notice.
This is just another example of Apple thinking through nearly everything before showing it publicly. Of course they have to follow in Siri's footsteps because Apple designed Siri properly the first time.
Amazon's Top 100 Best Selling laptops: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/565108
Amazon's Top 100 Rated laptops: http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/electronics/565108
As much as some here want to call the Chromebook a failure it appears that the rest of the world disagrees with those select few AI forum members.
While I don't doubt that Chromebooks sell, like netbooks did purely because of their price point, there hasn't been any noticeable blip on any web usage reports that shows Chrome OS showing up in meaningful numbers. Also, Amazon isn't really a market indicator because a lot of folks that are purchasing from Amazon are hyper price conscious and it isn't a bellwether for the industry as a whole because their ranked lists are in constant flux. I wouldn't even consider them a bellwether when Apple products were on the list.
Amazon's Top 100 Best Selling laptops: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/565108
Amazon's Top 100 Rated laptops: http://www.amazon.com/gp/top-rated/electronics/565108
As much as some here want to call the Chromebook a failure it appears that the rest of the world disagrees with those select few AI forum members.
Remember when you used Amazon data to "prove" how well Microsoft’s Zune was selling? That was hilarious.
Follow up article:
Apple's voracious appetite for acquisitions outspent Google in 2013
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/03/apples-voracious-appetite-for-acquisitions-outspent-google-in-2013
Remember when you used Amazon data to "prove" how well Microsoft’s Zune was selling? That was hilarious.
I think you have me mistaken for someone else, Daniel. You're more then welcome to link to what you're referring to though. However, much like the time you asked me to point out factual innacuracies in your articles because you didn't believe there were any (which I sent to you), I doubt there will be any response or Corrections on your part.
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You raise some valid points but as I mentioned earlier, with each back and forth we get further and further from the point. I could certainly respond with the parts that I disagree with but it's getting to the point that it's becoming tedious. We're way past the initial point and I can't see the benefit.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Even if DNA testing were to prove that it is not in fact a duck, it would still share similarities to a duck in both look and sound. If you can't see the similarities then you can't see the similarities. C'est la vie.