A modern smartphone without cloud integration, web services and apps? That's a paradox, isn't it? Besides, this defeats the point of owning such a phone in the first place. A cheaper one would also offer similar utility.
What I meant is that you can have all that without going through Google.
You can very easily cut Google out completely from a Android device, you can set the default apps to your liking. You don't have to buy apps from them, and you don't need a Gmail account.
A modern smartphone without cloud integration, web services and apps? That's a paradox, isn't it? Besides, this defeats the point of owning such a phone in the first place. A cheaper one would also offer similar utility.
That's not what he wrote. What he's saying is that you can set Yahoo mail as your default email client, you can set Yahoo search as your default search app, you can set Tom-Tom as your default mapping app, etc. In some ways, you can substitute other services for Google services to a greater extent than you can replace Apple software with third-party offerings on iOS, where mail links always take you to Apple Mail, map links always open in Apple Maps, and web urls always open in Safari. You'll still need a Google account to get apps from Google Play, just like the App Store requires an Apple ID.
That's not what he wrote. What he's saying is that you can set Yahoo mail as your default email client, you can set Yahoo search as your default search app, you can set Tom-Tom as your default mapping app, etc. Basically, you can substitute other services for Google services, in some ways to a greater extent than you can replace Apple software with third-party offerings on iOS, where mail links always take you to Apple Mail, map links always open in Apple Maps, and web urls always open in Safari. You'll still need a Google account to get apps from Google Play, just like the App Store requires an Apple ID.
Thanks, but one doesn't have to get their apps from Google. Amazon has a app store, or they can be sideloaded.
Except they’ve already complied with EU regulations. iDevices ship with a MicroUSB adapter. Apple will never put a USB port on their products. It isn’t happening.
Apple sells a Micro USB to lightning adaptor for 19,00 €, but it does not come in the box.
When this regulation goes through Apple will need to provide (assuming micro USB is the chosen standard) a micro USB charger with their devices. The charging cable MUST work with ANY other mobile device from any other company.
At this point a potential loophole for Apple is to include the Micro USB cable AND the lightning (male) to Micro USB (female) adaptor in the box. This still might not be allowed as a cable from another company would NOT work with an iDevice without that accessory.
That's not what he wrote. What he's saying is that you can set Yahoo mail as your default email client, you can set Yahoo search as your default search app, you can set Tom-Tom as your default mapping app, etc. In some ways, you can substitute other services for Google services to a greater extent than you can replace Apple software with third-party offerings on iOS, where mail links always take you to Apple Mail, map links always open in Apple Maps, and web urls always open in Safari. You'll still need a Google account to get apps from Google Play, just like the App Store requires an Apple ID.
Oh, Okay. I inferred it another way.
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Thanks, but one doesn't have to get their apps from Google. Amazon has a app store, or they can be sideloaded.
Hmmmm, but doesn't Google collect usage data (even when you have opted out)?
Anonymous data will always be collected, even Apple does that.
Be aware too that the carriers collect personal data and do sell it unlike Apple or Google, tho in a supposedly anonymized form. ATT's opt-out procedure to prevent your data from being sold is linked here, but note that your personal usage info will still be collected. http://bgr.com/2013/07/05/att-advertising-opt-out-how-to/
Sounds nice but even on your iDevice there's some tracking and data collection services Apple has gone ahead and opted-in for you. Here's some you might want to turn off or at least be aware of if your privacy is high-priority.
Thanks. I find it a bit odd that your link leads to Norton's anti-virus site & the last link that d4NjvRzf took me to another anti-virus company site. I would think Google itself would have something official. Is there any Google documentation on this & what versions of Android does this works on.
Thanks. I find it a bit odd that your link leads to Norton's anti-virus site & the last link that d4NjvRzf took me to another anti-virus company site. I would think Google itself would have something official. Is there any Google documentation on this & what versions of Android does this works on.
Sounds like something is redirecting your browser. Both links work fine.
Thanks. I find it a bit odd that your link leads to Norton's anti-virus site & the last link that d4NjvRzf took me to another anti-virus company site.
Are you concerned with the accuracy of the advice and information offered, or wanting more? Just curious. The settings I saw for myself were on Jellybean from a couple years ago if that's helpful. That would mean most Android handsets and tablets would offer similar control over privacy and data collection.
FWIW I couldn't find an Apple article discussing the same information as the 3rd party link for Apple security settings I gave you. Might be there somewhere but it didn't pop up in the first couple of pages. My guess is that both Apple and Google have the help files on those various settings spread around in different documents. IMO I don't think either company really wants to encourage users to change them and so they don't make the information obvious or well-publicized. The links I offered helpfully put them all in a single article, which I would have thought more convenient for you.
I suppose if you want to hunt around setting by setting with web searches both Apple and Google probably offer advice on them somewhere in their documentation. I don't intend to take the time to do so since I already found what I needed, at least for now. If you find something that disagrees with anything I posted or the information offered in the links let us know.
Are you concerned with the accuracy of the advice and information offered, or wanting more? Just curious. The settings I saw for myself were on Jellybean from a couple years ago if that's helpful. That would mean most Android handsets and tablets would offer similar control over privacy and data collection.
FWIW I couldn't find an Apple article discussing the same information as the 3rd party link for Apple security settings I gave you. Might be there somewhere but it didn't pop up in the first couple of pages. My guess is that both Apple and Google have the help files on those various settings spread around in different documents. IMO I don't think either company really wants to encourage users to change them and so they don't make the information obvious or well-publicized. The links I offered helpfully put them all in a single article, which I would have thought more convenient for you.
I suppose if you want to hunt around setting by setting with web searches both Apple and Google probably offer advice on them somewhere in their documentation. I don't intend to take the time to do so since I already found what I needed, at least for now. If you find something that disagrees with anything I posted or the information offered in the links let us know.
It's easy to find on Apples site. Click on the iPhone tab. There are user manuals, it's under privacy. It's really not that complicated. Maybe you could point me in the direction of Google's user manuals for Android, just out of curiosity. If you can't that's fine.
It's easy to find on Apples site. Click on the iPhone tab. There are user manuals, it's under privacy. It's really not that complicated. Maybe you could point me in the direction of Google's user manuals for Android, just out of curiosity. If you can't that's fine.
You still didn't say why your weren't satisfied with the previous links, or if anything you read in them was inaccurate. :???:
The problem with Apple and Samsung and HTC, and etc is they don't do a very good job explaining why you might want to change the factory default settings. Both of the articles I linked for you filled in the missing information so you could make a more educated choice on whether to leave them as they are or change them to better match your personal privacy expectations.
I'll make a guess that you were hoping iOS and Android data sharing and privacy controls weren't as similar as they turn out to be? I think they both could do more and I might prefer that some things weren't automatically enabled but they're both businesses doing what's best for their companies. They know that the settings the phone comes with probably won't be changed. Most owners aren't going to go in and consciously choose to receive interest-based ads or share their location or send their contacts (and relationship to the owner) or volunteer what they use their phones for to Google or Apple. So they chose for them. Fair to say the user sees benefits from sharing information with them too so it's not a one-way relationship.
Apple sells a Micro USB to lightning adaptor for 19,00 €, but it does not come in the box.
I’m to understand that it does within the EU. Doesn’t it? Because of the old legislation.
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I love that government thinks it can tell people how to charge their electronics.
???
Until recently many manufacturers were changing their charging port and cables what seemed like every other iteration. The market had already moved toward a predominantly USB based solution, and the rules have merely reaffirmed that and put some stragglers in line to prevent ever more plugs being sent to landfill.
Wrong. You can very easily cut Google out completely from a Android device, you can set the default apps to your liking. You don't have to buy apps from them, and you don't need a Gmail account. Do a little fact checking before screaming out claims.
nice try, word games. "official Google" = using the Google ecosystem. and no, once you are in it, you can't readily get out of all its data mining and still use it all. sure, you can abandon all Google services, root you phone, etc. and escape. but that's not what consumers do. and Google knows that and exploits that.
nice try, word games. "official Google" = using the Google ecosystem. and no, once you are in it, you can't readily get out of all its data mining and still use it all. sure, you can abandon all Google services, root you phone, etc. and escape. but that's not what consumers do. and Google knows that and exploits that.
All I'm saying is that the choice is there which you vehemently denied. Yes most users don't choose it but that doesn't negate its existence.
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What I meant is that you can have all that without going through Google.
You can very easily cut Google out completely from a Android device, you can set the default apps to your liking. You don't have to buy apps from them, and you don't need a Gmail account.
A modern smartphone without cloud integration, web services and apps? That's a paradox, isn't it? Besides, this defeats the point of owning such a phone in the first place. A cheaper one would also offer similar utility.
That's not what he wrote. What he's saying is that you can set Yahoo mail as your default email client, you can set Yahoo search as your default search app, you can set Tom-Tom as your default mapping app, etc. In some ways, you can substitute other services for Google services to a greater extent than you can replace Apple software with third-party offerings on iOS, where mail links always take you to Apple Mail, map links always open in Apple Maps, and web urls always open in Safari. You'll still need a Google account to get apps from Google Play, just like the App Store requires an Apple ID.
Thanks, but one doesn't have to get their apps from Google. Amazon has a app store, or they can be sideloaded.
Because that’s literally how bad Android is. On its own, it bankrupts companies. Things had to be stolen from Apple for it to succeed.
Which Android OEMs have the expertise to write their own OS? It would seem that without Android, they wouldn't have been able to compete at all.
Except they’ve already complied with EU regulations. iDevices ship with a MicroUSB adapter. Apple will never put a USB port on their products. It isn’t happening.
Apple sells a Micro USB to lightning adaptor for 19,00 €, but it does not come in the box.
When this regulation goes through Apple will need to provide (assuming micro USB is the chosen standard) a micro USB charger with their devices. The charging cable MUST work with ANY other mobile device from any other company.
At this point a potential loophole for Apple is to include the Micro USB cable AND the lightning (male) to Micro USB (female) adaptor in the box. This still might not be allowed as a cable from another company would NOT work with an iDevice without that accessory.
That's not what he wrote. What he's saying is that you can set Yahoo mail as your default email client, you can set Yahoo search as your default search app, you can set Tom-Tom as your default mapping app, etc. In some ways, you can substitute other services for Google services to a greater extent than you can replace Apple software with third-party offerings on iOS, where mail links always take you to Apple Mail, map links always open in Apple Maps, and web urls always open in Safari. You'll still need a Google account to get apps from Google Play, just like the App Store requires an Apple ID.
Oh, Okay. I inferred it another way.
Thanks, but one doesn't have to get their apps from Google. Amazon has a app store, or they can be sideloaded.
Hmmmm, but doesn't Google collect usage data (even when you have opted out)?
Anonymous data will always be collected, even Apple does that.
Be aware too that the carriers collect personal data and do sell it unlike Apple or Google, tho in a supposedly anonymized form. ATT's opt-out procedure to prevent your data from being sold is linked here, but note that your personal usage info will still be collected.
http://bgr.com/2013/07/05/att-advertising-opt-out-how-to/
To tell Verizon not to sell your data to marketers use this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/opt-out-of-verizon-data-selling-2012-10
There's a more detailed description of the different settings here:
http://www.mobilesecurity.com/articles/552-how-to-manage-privacy-settings-in-android
Sounds nice but even on your iDevice there's some tracking and data collection services Apple has gone ahead and opted-in for you. Here's some you might want to turn off or at least be aware of if your privacy is high-priority.
https://www.komando.com/tips/12353/6-privacy-settings-to-change-in-ios-7-now/all
Thanks. I find it a bit odd that your link leads to Norton's anti-virus site & the last link that d4NjvRzf took me to another anti-virus company site. I would think Google itself would have something official. Is there any Google documentation on this & what versions of Android does this works on.
Sounds like something is redirecting your browser. Both links work fine.
Sounds like something is redirecting your browser. Both links work fine.
No...the articles are there. They are on ant-virus sites. How does this answer my question? I didn't say the links did not work.
FWIW I couldn't find an Apple article discussing the same information as the 3rd party link for Apple security settings I gave you. Might be there somewhere but it didn't pop up in the first couple of pages. My guess is that both Apple and Google have the help files on those various settings spread around in different documents. IMO I don't think either company really wants to encourage users to change them and so they don't make the information obvious or well-publicized. The links I offered helpfully put them all in a single article, which I would have thought more convenient for you.
I suppose if you want to hunt around setting by setting with web searches both Apple and Google probably offer advice on them somewhere in their documentation. I don't intend to take the time to do so since I already found what I needed, at least for now. If you find something that disagrees with anything I posted or the information offered in the links let us know.
Are you concerned with the accuracy of the advice and information offered, or wanting more? Just curious. The settings I saw for myself were on Jellybean from a couple years ago if that's helpful. That would mean most Android handsets and tablets would offer similar control over privacy and data collection.
FWIW I couldn't find an Apple article discussing the same information as the 3rd party link for Apple security settings I gave you. Might be there somewhere but it didn't pop up in the first couple of pages. My guess is that both Apple and Google have the help files on those various settings spread around in different documents. IMO I don't think either company really wants to encourage users to change them and so they don't make the information obvious or well-publicized. The links I offered helpfully put them all in a single article, which I would have thought more convenient for you.
I suppose if you want to hunt around setting by setting with web searches both Apple and Google probably offer advice on them somewhere in their documentation. I don't intend to take the time to do so since I already found what I needed, at least for now. If you find something that disagrees with anything I posted or the information offered in the links let us know.
It's easy to find on Apples site. Click on the iPhone tab. There are user manuals, it's under privacy. It's really not that complicated. Maybe you could point me in the direction of Google's user manuals for Android, just out of curiosity. If you can't that's fine.
I imagine the settings are discussed in most if not all user manuals when you buy a smartphone. Here's the one for the Samsung S3 for instance, and yes the settings are discussed.
http://www.att.com/support_static_files/manuals/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III.pdf
The problem with Apple and Samsung and HTC, and etc is they don't do a very good job explaining why you might want to change the factory default settings. Both of the articles I linked for you filled in the missing information so you could make a more educated choice on whether to leave them as they are or change them to better match your personal privacy expectations.
I'll make a guess that you were hoping iOS and Android data sharing and privacy controls weren't as similar as they turn out to be? I think they both could do more and I might prefer that some things weren't automatically enabled but they're both businesses doing what's best for their companies. They know that the settings the phone comes with probably won't be changed. Most owners aren't going to go in and consciously choose to receive interest-based ads or share their location or send their contacts (and relationship to the owner) or volunteer what they use their phones for to Google or Apple. So they chose for them. Fair to say the user sees benefits from sharing information with them too so it's not a one-way relationship.
What I meant is that you can have all that without going through Google.
...and open the whole can of worms i.e. the danger of not using Google Play, which we are constantly told makes Android less of a security risk.
I’m to understand that it does within the EU. Doesn’t it? Because of the old legislation.
I love that government thinks it can tell people how to charge their electronics.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
???
Until recently many manufacturers were changing their charging port and cables what seemed like every other iteration. The market had already moved toward a predominantly USB based solution, and the rules have merely reaffirmed that and put some stragglers in line to prevent ever more plugs being sent to landfill.
Wrong. You can very easily cut Google out completely from a Android device, you can set the default apps to your liking. You don't have to buy apps from them, and you don't need a Gmail account. Do a little fact checking before screaming out claims.
nice try, word games. "official Google" = using the Google ecosystem. and no, once you are in it, you can't readily get out of all its data mining and still use it all. sure, you can abandon all Google services, root you phone, etc. and escape. but that's not what consumers do. and Google knows that and exploits that.
So? Why should they not be able to design what works best for them?
All I'm saying is that the choice is there which you vehemently denied. Yes most users don't choose it but that doesn't negate its existence.