Sales for the launch quarter of the new Galaxy will certainly outpace the same quarter sales of the 5s. So...
Lies. No Galaxy has EVER outsold an iPhone in their launch quarter. The only numbers Samsung does publish is how fast phones like the GS3 or GS4 have hit milestones (like 5, 10 or 20 million). And based on those it appears Samsung has never done better than around 6.5 million per month during launch, way lower than Apple does.
In fact, I doubt Samsung launch quarters for their Galaxy phones don't even beat the pre-launch quarter for iPhones (when sales are lowest because of a new iPhone launch coming).
I took the time to read those links, unfortunately, which was a waste of time. So you link to 2 blogs from the same website- one of which contains the word "flop" in the headlines, but then not a single # to back that up, pretty much an opinion piece on why the 5C sucks and other random tangents. The 2nd one is nothing but commenting on the exact same graphs as the third, which is incredibly incomplete and lacks proper context, not to mention being based on a single country. Not a single link is any real "evidence" of anything. And recent metrics have shown that 5C sales are now increasing, after the initial early adopted went for the 5S.
"Just clear evidence that Cook should have stayed as COO, not CEO."
What a fucking joke. Yeah, let's ignore all of Apple's incalculable successes and excellent products since Cook has been CEO, including smashing all sales records and revenue records almost every quarter- these 2 blog posts from 3rd tier websites are "clear evidence" that Cook is unfit to lead. Because, under Steve Jobs, every fucking product was utterly perfect and immaculate, right? I love how people like you revise and twist history, and raise the bar to ridiculous heights that did not even exist under Steve, so that you can bash Cook. The 5C "failure" (because it isn't, its a success) does not even come close to approaching many of the duds under Jobs- from software to hardware failures- and you know that. Stop being so purposely obtuse, it creates for some pretty shitty trolling, even by your standards.
I can't imagine what would happen if stuff like the iPod Boombox, MobileMe, Ping, Antennagate, G4 Cube, etc came out under Cook- people like you would probably want to have him lynched, because you've invented insane standards that did not even exist under SJ. You call for Tim's head because the 5C is only the 2nd most popular smartphone in the world- after the 5S- and contributed to record iPhone sales in the last 2 quarters, and expanding the base. Oh no, what a fucking disaster.
A riposte par excellence. I see DED and you as the Two Musketeers; there must be a third here somewhere.
Lies. No Galaxy has EVER outsold an iPhone in their launch quarter. The only numbers Samsung does publish is how fast phones like the GS3 or GS4 have hit milestones (like 5, 10 or 20 million). And based on those it appears Samsung has never done better than around 6.5 million per month during launch, way lower than Apple does.
In fact, I doubt Samsung launch quarters for their Galaxy phones don't even beat the pre-launch quarter for iPhones (when sales are lowest because of a new iPhone launch coming).
Take your blinders of bro and do the research..it's happened each of the last two years. Google it!
Nope. But context of the facts are equally meaningful.
Sales for the launch quarter of the new Galaxy will certainly outpace the same quarter sales of the 5s. So...
You seem confident about a number that has never been released for any Samsung phone ever- sales.
So to correct that, since what you're claiming is arbitrary: sales for the iPhone 5s will certainly continue to outpace same quarter sales even during the launch quarter of the next galaxy iCopy.
For the record, this article is based entirely on "analyst's numbers", which this forum generally discredits. Daily. No one outside of Apple has sales numbers for the 5c.. iDiot
I have never seen a 5c in the wild. I checked them out at the Apple store and I kind of remember the color schemes. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell because a lot of people have cases so unless you know someone who has one or see it up close there could be some out there that are not immediately recognizable. Apple never said how many were sold so anyone who says there are lots or says there are few, has no facts to support their claim.
Thank you for being truthful about everyone's ignorance as to iPhone 5c sales. You are the first person to do so that nonetheless has anecdotal negative data on the iPhone 5c.
I must say it's always amusing to see comments like the above, particularly when I am one of the most rabid anti-Samsung and pro-Apple persons around here. My point is simply to note that:
- Apple is disappointed with the 5C sales;
- the 5C was a problem in search of a solution;
- the company spent considerable money just to set up a different manufacturing line for a less-than-successful model;
- no one cares about the 5C in most markets for the basic reason that its pricing is so close to that of the 5S;
- realizing its mistake, Apple NOW reduces the price of the 5C to see who wants to buy it;
- overall sales volumes have NOTHING to do with success as far as Apple is concerned - after all, the expectations were way higher than what numbers now show;
- for those of you with a minimum of knowledge on Apple's history, go check the PowerBook blunder of the 90s, when Apple TOTALLY misread demand (i.e., undershooting its expectations) and then struggled to satisfy an already angry market. Cook has failed and now he is trying to fix the problem.
Case closed - by the way, no need to resort to ad personam nonsense. I am not a criminal lawyer anyway (and would never be).
I would never employ a lawyer who so explicitly based his opinions on lies.
Thank you for being truthful about everyone's ignorance as to iPhone 5c sales. You are the first person to do so that nonetheless has anecdotal negative data on the iPhone 5c.
Well, I haven't been to the States very often in the last six months, and when I do go I am always at corporate where almost everyone has an iPhone. As far as I know, no one has a 5c. Lots of 4S, 5 and a few 5s. While traveling, dining or in business meetings, I honestly have never seen a 5c. Perhaps in other settings 5c is more prevalent.
The 5c is just last year's top model sold as the mid-tier option, just what they've done every year, but reskinned this time. When the 6 is introduced, the 5c will become the low end option, replacing the 4s at a similar price. It takes two years: top to mid to low.
I really expect the 5c to become the low-end in Sept 2014 but the mid-tier will be a plastic version of 5s without TouchID. Gone are the days when you can wait a year to get the high-end model $100 cheaper when a new flag-ship is released. The mid-tier will still have the 64bit chip though. If you want a 5s now is the time to get it.
I really expect the 5c to become the low-end in Sept 2014 but the mid-tier will be a plastic version of 5s without TouchID. Gone are the days when you can wait a year to get the high-end model $100 cheaper when a new flag-ship is released. The mid-tier will still have the 64bit chip though. If you want a 5s now is the time to get it.
I don't think anybody knows. The Touch ID might be the standard going forward particularly if they can monetise it.
It's a great phone but I see far more of the 4Ss around. The problem is, or rather was, the price. Had it replaced the 4S then it would have been a huge hit.
The new price in the UK, which is not really understood here ( it's a 61% drop in the sticker price) will make a big difference to the 5C sales.
Off contract prices are a different matter.
That is to be expected, the 4s has been available for two entire years beyond the 5c, plus there's the identical looking 4 available for another year beyond that. Compared to a few months of 5c availability?
Take your blinders of bro and do the research..it's happened each of the last two years. Google it!
GS3 took 55 days to hit 10 million, so it's not even close to approaching Apple sales for a launch quarter. So let's throw the GS3 to the side since it's not even relevant. Neither are the GS2 or original S.
GS4 shipped 10 million into the CHANNEL in 26 days. They shipped another 10 million in the next 41 days. Pretty big drop considering it took 50% longer to get the second 10 million.
Samsung never announced when they hit 30 million, however they did announce 40 million on Oct 24th. So they moved the first 20 million in a little over 2 months, and then took another 4 months to ship the next 20 million. That's a huge drop in sales. Considering Samsung only announced channel sales and not real sales it's tough to compare. Based on Samsung's numbers (and the rapid drop), there's NO WAY Samsung could have shipped 30 million GS4 phones in 3 months. More likely they probably shipped 25 million phones. Impressive, but still nothing like what Apple does.
Apple's closest quarter to coincide with the GS4 launch was Q3 2013, which ran from April to June. So just over 2 months of the GS4 launch quarter overlapped with Apples Q3. Apple SOLD 31.2 million iPhones in this quarter, while competing with a newly launched (and much hyped) GS4 and also just months before the next iPhone is going to be announced.
Sorry, bro, to have to refute your claims with actual numbers.
Now do you want to compare GS4 sales in the same quarter when the iPhone 5S/5C launched, and see how truly pathetic they were?
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Nope. But context of the facts are equally meaningful.
Sales for the launch quarter of the new Galaxy will certainly outpace the same quarter sales of the 5s. So...
The 5C very likely sold more in the last quarter than the Nexus 4 and 5 combined have sold in their entire history.
If that's not a flop, I don't know what is.
In fact, I doubt Samsung launch quarters for their Galaxy phones don't even beat the pre-launch quarter for iPhones (when sales are lowest because of a new iPhone launch coming).
A riposte par excellence. I see DED and you as the Two Musketeers; there must be a third here somewhere.
Take your blinders of bro and do the research..it's happened each of the last two years. Google it!
He selectively believes only the 'evidence' that agrees with his conclusions.
You seem confident about a number that has never been released for any Samsung phone ever- sales.
So to correct that, since what you're claiming is arbitrary: sales for the iPhone 5s will certainly continue to outpace same quarter sales even during the launch quarter of the next galaxy iCopy.
What record? Nobody is keeping score.
Thank you for being truthful about everyone's ignorance as to iPhone 5c sales. You are the first person to do so that nonetheless has anecdotal negative data on the iPhone 5c.
Nasty! Where did that come from? :no:
You?
Possibly Flaneur though. The name fits the localizion of the Three Musketeers... and I like his eloquent comments... :smokey:
I would never employ a lawyer who so explicitly based his opinions on lies.
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Well, I haven't been to the States very often in the last six months, and when I do go I am always at corporate where almost everyone has an iPhone. As far as I know, no one has a 5c. Lots of 4S, 5 and a few 5s. While traveling, dining or in business meetings, I honestly have never seen a 5c. Perhaps in other settings 5c is more prevalent.
The 5c is just last year's top model sold as the mid-tier option, just what they've done every year, but reskinned this time. When the 6 is introduced, the 5c will become the low end option, replacing the 4s at a similar price. It takes two years: top to mid to low.
I really expect the 5c to become the low-end in Sept 2014 but the mid-tier will be a plastic version of 5s without TouchID. Gone are the days when you can wait a year to get the high-end model $100 cheaper when a new flag-ship is released. The mid-tier will still have the 64bit chip though. If you want a 5s now is the time to get it.
I don't think anybody knows. The Touch ID might be the standard going forward particularly if they can monetise it.
Why aren't you expecting Touch ID to be included?
That is to be expected, the 4s has been available for two entire years beyond the 5c, plus there's the identical looking 4 available for another year beyond that. Compared to a few months of 5c availability?
Take your blinders of bro and do the research..it's happened each of the last two years. Google it!
GS3 took 55 days to hit 10 million, so it's not even close to approaching Apple sales for a launch quarter. So let's throw the GS3 to the side since it's not even relevant. Neither are the GS2 or original S.
GS4 shipped 10 million into the CHANNEL in 26 days. They shipped another 10 million in the next 41 days. Pretty big drop considering it took 50% longer to get the second 10 million.
Samsung never announced when they hit 30 million, however they did announce 40 million on Oct 24th. So they moved the first 20 million in a little over 2 months, and then took another 4 months to ship the next 20 million. That's a huge drop in sales. Considering Samsung only announced channel sales and not real sales it's tough to compare. Based on Samsung's numbers (and the rapid drop), there's NO WAY Samsung could have shipped 30 million GS4 phones in 3 months. More likely they probably shipped 25 million phones. Impressive, but still nothing like what Apple does.
Apple's closest quarter to coincide with the GS4 launch was Q3 2013, which ran from April to June. So just over 2 months of the GS4 launch quarter overlapped with Apples Q3. Apple SOLD 31.2 million iPhones in this quarter, while competing with a newly launched (and much hyped) GS4 and also just months before the next iPhone is going to be announced.
Sorry, bro, to have to refute your claims with actual numbers.
Now do you want to compare GS4 sales in the same quarter when the iPhone 5S/5C launched, and see how truly pathetic they were?
Why aren't you expecting Touch ID to be included?
A combination of production issues leading to differentiating the high end of iPhones and iPads (I think next year the iPad with get the touchId)