<strong>Lemmie get this straight. Some bonehead posts two lame ideas in here and suddenly the ripple of anticipation begins?
You guys take anything, I guess. Though the idea is a good one about taking away the X fees. The company needs to increase marketshare more than OS X profits, and this would help.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Someone here looks like wanting attention and not getting it because he can't think of any viable rumors himself, eh? First you call him a bonehead with _two_ lame ideas and then go on to say that one of them is actually quite good. This is a rumor forum and if you have a problem with people posting rumors you should simply go away. Hush, hush!
[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
<strong>However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy.... So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not quite - the 10.2 update wasn't ment to be free at first. Neither were the OS8->OS9 ones, iirc. But basically this means that companies/organizations who already have Macs don't need to fiddle with licenses for them anymore. It simply takes the painful (I know the feeling!) coordination burden about "licensed OS versions" in the Mac part of your network away, which many system administrators will _love_. And it might even come cheaper for Apple since with an order of, say, 12 Macs they only have to ship one OSX box with a "you can copy that" sticker on top.
It wont make the purchase of larger Mac amounts any cheaper though, since I don't think Apple will lower the prices of the hardware. It will however add a great user perception bonus, though. Everyone will feel like Apple's actually giving their OS/Software to their hardware as a free bonus and this will make Apple look even more friendly (as opposed to _some_ companies which require you to phone them and ask whether you can install _your_ copy of OS XP on _your_ PC). If it's true that's a very good decision.
<strong>if i had inside info and was worried about being "tracked" i think my screen name would be somehting like, oh, i don't know Stroszek? </strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....
So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>
but not if you buy >500 macs...
firstly you'd get a huge deduction off of retail or standard edu pricing on the hardware, custom software packages are put together and you are charged for site licenses depending on how many computers you use- now you're just buying hugely deducted hardware and 1 site license, sweet deal.
<strong>Lucida was an early precursor to the modern camera that projected a still image onto a glass surface, where it could be traced onto paper, kind of like a still rotoscope.[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: Nonsuch ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
A submergible camera by itself is a horrible idea. A lens scratched by salt water and sand grit? No thank you. Other manufacturers already have underwater housings.
...like a camera obscura?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's similar. A camera obscura would be light proofing, say, a hotel room in manhattan. You then poke a small hole through the black material you're using to cover the windows, and this becomes your aperture. An inverted image is cast upon the opposing wall.
There was an artist who set up camera obscuras in apartments throughout the city and photographed the results, but I can't remember his name...
Interesting, too, that "Lucid" means "translucent", and can refer to water. Lucid was also a word Apple used to describe aqua at one point. Coincidence? Probably.
The glove strategy appears to be a good one. Apple is essentially an hardware company. Already many of their soft are sell for free : i photo, i tune, i moovie. If it can help to win news market especially in big corporations it will rock for them.
However Apple can have income with new services like the Apple care service of the xserve. I think that Apple can push glove and push new costly services in addition.
I dont know if this rumor is a fake, but this idear is great, one of the best in a marketing point of vue i have eard for a while.
Unlimited licenses, that's why I'm buying xServe. We have three servers that require four MS CALs, MS-SQL has (or is going to) processor based licensing (what the f*&$?).
I have no qualms about learning a different technology if the administrative cost drops, since my time is spent doing something techy versus learning licensing schemes.
Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....
So what's the deal or am I just tired.<hr></blockquote>
Good point. And you even arrive at the next logical step... almost.
They say that Honda is an engine company that sells cars (maybe there's not a big market on that engine-upgrade thing).
Well, I've always believed Apple is a software company that sells hardware.
What's the Mac without the OS?
Since you've bought the hardware, you already have the OS, as Bigc pointed out. What Apple would be doing is throwing in the OS tuneups for free. Don't auto manufacturers do this now?
I'd like to believe in the "Glove" (I wonder if Gary Payton copyrighted that already?). We've already seen similarities with this concept. iApps are free, but you have to buy the hardware to use it. Then there's XServe, as pointed out above.
This rumor is entirely believable to me. And if someone made it up, it's still a good idea in my mind, and maybe Apple will consider it.
edit: surfing during work hours makes one type too quickly.
<strong>Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....
So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Assuming Jagwire is $99, currently if you have 100 Macs you are supposed to buy 100 copies of Jagwire. Thats $9900!
With 'Glove' you buy 100 Macs running 10.x and when 10.y is released at $99 you buy 1 copy, saving $9801!
So for users with 1 Mac it makes no difference, but it's a big incentive to corporates.
BTW: If Apple does "GLOVE" They had better do some kickass ads. "Sure, a Mac costs more in the beginning... but at the next OS update, you will have saved xxxxx$" Would be so easy to make a great campaign. And just to keep MS happy include a plug to say that OS X runs Office too...
Glove is interesting and not at all 'too hard for Apple to implement'
I think that OSX sales have for the past year been highly inflated. It's a new OS, plenty of people wanted to try it on machines that didn't ship with it.
Once it becomes the ONLY OS, most people will likely get and use the copy that ships with their machine. Few will upgrade to the successive .point releases.
Apple already gives unlimited client licenses away with Xserve. Selling an unlimited site license to edu/business and allowing multiple home installatuions is a good thing. Enticing for business, and it might actually get consumers to upgrade their home machine's OSes if they knw they aren't going to get nickle and dimed with typical M$ style installation headaches.
This is a good idea.
PS. Apple makes it's money on hardware. Good, headache free software strategies WILL SELL MORE HARDWARE.
Me too. But I don't think Macintosh is this creative. He's still mastergating somewhere I assume <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
I actually wish these things are true. They sound plausible, and very likely to be successful. Especially Glove, but I'd buy Lucida, as I'm still hanging on with a huge 80s videorecorder!
<strong>Every corporation, printshop, creative house, school, college or anybody is ONLY required to purchase "1" license of OSX. For example, today, a university with 500 Macs and 500 PCs would have to purchase 500 new OSX licenses and 500 XP licenses if they decided to upgrade. When Glove kicks in, that same university would only have to purchase "1" license to install OSX on all their Macs. </strong><hr></blockquote>
If I recall correctly Educational institutions are actually required to purchase XP licenses for every piece of hardware. That is to say if you have 500 Macs and 500 PCs you have to purchase 1000 licenses.
Can't remember where I saw that now.
Considering Apple is handing out Unlimited licenses with their XServe though something along this line is hardly too great a revelation.
[quote] Recreation diving is huge and these underwater features was a small engineering task to a grab this large explosive market (digital camera/camcorders). <hr></blockquote>
Underwater camera design isn't a small engineering task. It isn't the hardest task but it isn't a small one. I'd be more inclined to say Apple set out to create a durable digital device than target an "explosive" market like diving. Even having come from Australia I have to say that isn't a huge market.
I feel that allen mcjones is the real deal. He's busting to tell about some amazing Apple device and he's scared they'll see this and get pissed. And believe me, they WILL see this. They've got people dedicated to hunting down leaks. So the fact that his IP address might be exposed and connect his true identity to these posts is a valid fear.
The camera sounds good. More fully realized than the past posts that portrayed it as lacking any compelling differences from Sony or Canon devices. There ARE decent 2 megapixel still cameras out there and a few 1 megapixel video-combo-still cameras, too. It will not be hard for Apple to strike a good balance on a hybrid video/still camera. It will be killer combined with their winning interface/industrial design. Just don't expect it to be under $900.
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<strong>Lemmie get this straight. Some bonehead posts two lame ideas in here and suddenly the ripple of anticipation begins?
You guys take anything, I guess. Though the idea is a good one about taking away the X fees. The company needs to increase marketshare more than OS X profits, and this would help.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Someone here looks like wanting attention and not getting it because he can't think of any viable rumors himself, eh? First you call him a bonehead with _two_ lame ideas and then go on to say that one of them is actually quite good. This is a rumor forum and if you have a problem with people posting rumors you should simply go away. Hush, hush!
[quote]Originally posted by Bigc:
<strong>However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy.... So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not quite - the 10.2 update wasn't ment to be free at first. Neither were the OS8->OS9 ones, iirc. But basically this means that companies/organizations who already have Macs don't need to fiddle with licenses for them anymore. It simply takes the painful (I know the feeling!) coordination burden about "licensed OS versions" in the Mac part of your network away, which many system administrators will _love_. And it might even come cheaper for Apple since with an order of, say, 12 Macs they only have to ship one OSX box with a "you can copy that" sticker on top.
It wont make the purchase of larger Mac amounts any cheaper though, since I don't think Apple will lower the prices of the hardware. It will however add a great user perception bonus, though. Everyone will feel like Apple's actually giving their OS/Software to their hardware as a free bonus and this will make Apple look even more friendly (as opposed to _some_ companies which require you to phone them and ask whether you can install _your_ copy of OS XP on _your_ PC). If it's true that's a very good decision.
<strong>if i had inside info and was worried about being "tracked" i think my screen name would be somehting like, oh, i don't know Stroszek? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe his name is Stroszek.
<strong>Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....
So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>
but not if you buy >500 macs...
firstly you'd get a huge deduction off of retail or standard edu pricing on the hardware, custom software packages are put together and you are charged for site licenses depending on how many computers you use- now you're just buying hugely deducted hardware and 1 site license, sweet deal.
...how much of serveX's price is from osX server?
[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: janitor ]</p>
<strong>Lucida was an early precursor to the modern camera that projected a still image onto a glass surface, where it could be traced onto paper, kind of like a still rotoscope.[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: Nonsuch ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
OT.
...like a camera obscura?
<strong>
OT.
...like a camera obscura?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's similar. A camera obscura would be light proofing, say, a hotel room in manhattan. You then poke a small hole through the black material you're using to cover the windows, and this becomes your aperture. An inverted image is cast upon the opposing wall.
There was an artist who set up camera obscuras in apartments throughout the city and photographed the results, but I can't remember his name...
Interesting, too, that "Lucid" means "translucent", and can refer to water. Lucid was also a word Apple used to describe aqua at one point. Coincidence? Probably.
However Apple can have income with new services like the Apple care service of the xserve. I think that Apple can push glove and push new costly services in addition.
I dont know if this rumor is a fake, but this idear is great, one of the best in a marketing point of vue i have eard for a while.
I have no qualms about learning a different technology if the administrative cost drops, since my time is spent doing something techy versus learning licensing schemes.
Go Glove! Viva Steva!
Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....
So what's the deal or am I just tired.<hr></blockquote>
Good point. And you even arrive at the next logical step... almost.
They say that Honda is an engine company that sells cars (maybe there's not a big market on that engine-upgrade thing).
Well, I've always believed Apple is a software company that sells hardware.
What's the Mac without the OS?
Since you've bought the hardware, you already have the OS, as Bigc pointed out. What Apple would be doing is throwing in the OS tuneups for free. Don't auto manufacturers do this now?
I'd like to believe in the "Glove" (I wonder if Gary Payton copyrighted that already?). We've already seen similarities with this concept. iApps are free, but you have to buy the hardware to use it. Then there's XServe, as pointed out above.
This rumor is entirely believable to me. And if someone made it up, it's still a good idea in my mind, and maybe Apple will consider it.
edit: surfing during work hours makes one type too quickly.
[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: GardenOfEarthlyDelights ]</p>
<strong>Am I missing something. If I buy 100 macs, I get 100 OS X disks. I guess when the next upgrade comes I only have to pay for one disk to update the 100 machines. However, I can update all of the machines over the net for free anyway. So apple is offering free OS upgrades from now on?? Oh boy....
So what's the deal or am I just tired.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Assuming Jagwire is $99, currently if you have 100 Macs you are supposed to buy 100 copies of Jagwire. Thats $9900!
With 'Glove' you buy 100 Macs running 10.x and when 10.y is released at $99 you buy 1 copy, saving $9801!
So for users with 1 Mac it makes no difference, but it's a big incentive to corporates.
Have fun
BTW: If Apple does "GLOVE" They had better do some kickass ads. "Sure, a Mac costs more in the beginning... but at the next OS update, you will have saved xxxxx$" Would be so easy to make a great campaign. And just to keep MS happy include a plug to say that OS X runs Office too...
I think that OSX sales have for the past year been highly inflated. It's a new OS, plenty of people wanted to try it on machines that didn't ship with it.
Once it becomes the ONLY OS, most people will likely get and use the copy that ships with their machine. Few will upgrade to the successive .point releases.
Apple already gives unlimited client licenses away with Xserve. Selling an unlimited site license to edu/business and allowing multiple home installatuions is a good thing. Enticing for business, and it might actually get consumers to upgrade their home machine's OSes if they knw they aren't going to get nickle and dimed with typical M$ style installation headaches.
This is a good idea.
PS. Apple makes it's money on hardware. Good, headache free software strategies WILL SELL MORE HARDWARE.
I actually wish these things are true. They sound plausible, and very likely to be successful. Especially Glove, but I'd buy Lucida, as I'm still hanging on with a huge 80s videorecorder!
hmmmm.... Maybe Lucida will use a hard drive!
<strong>Every corporation, printshop, creative house, school, college or anybody is ONLY required to purchase "1" license of OSX. For example, today, a university with 500 Macs and 500 PCs would have to purchase 500 new OSX licenses and 500 XP licenses if they decided to upgrade. When Glove kicks in, that same university would only have to purchase "1" license to install OSX on all their Macs. </strong><hr></blockquote>
If I recall correctly Educational institutions are actually required to purchase XP licenses for every piece of hardware. That is to say if you have 500 Macs and 500 PCs you have to purchase 1000 licenses.
Can't remember where I saw that now.
Considering Apple is handing out Unlimited licenses with their XServe though something along this line is hardly too great a revelation.
[quote] Recreation diving is huge and these underwater features was a small engineering task to a grab this large explosive market (digital camera/camcorders). <hr></blockquote>
Underwater camera design isn't a small engineering task. It isn't the hardest task but it isn't a small one. I'd be more inclined to say Apple set out to create a durable digital device than target an "explosive" market like diving. Even having come from Australia I have to say that isn't a huge market.
The camera sounds good. More fully realized than the past posts that portrayed it as lacking any compelling differences from Sony or Canon devices. There ARE decent 2 megapixel still cameras out there and a few 1 megapixel video-combo-still cameras, too. It will not be hard for Apple to strike a good balance on a hybrid video/still camera. It will be killer combined with their winning interface/industrial design. Just don't expect it to be under $900.
[ 05-24-2002: Message edited by: clonenode ]</p>