You started the contention. You brought up how it was "better" than the Windows version, which you haven't substantiated here.
How can you possibly look down on someone who did the exact same thing you did? You started that kind of talk in the first place.<hr></blockquote>
Am I missing something? What are you talking about? He said Macs suck, that's how it started out. Then we all were using Word 2000 and there were a few problems and then whenever someone went to print Word froze. He still said Macs suck. And then at some point I said that Office v.X is better than 2000 and that was based on experience with both. He has no experience with Macs. Now how am I doing the same thing he did?
Ok, first....you've never worked fast food have you?
Second....its MIDNIGHT! i am tired and i have to drive 8 miles home in a car that i don't know if its even going to start up half the time.
Third...i offer everyone who comes down, that they can buy anything BUT a sandwhich. But to tell me that you just NOW got hungry at 5 till? Sorry i don't buy it.
Fourth, if i could close at 11 i would....trust me.
Fith...ive closed with the Operating Manager who co-owns all the subways in my town....and even he closed the gate between 5-7 till.
Listen, im all for service....and i would have served them if we closed earlier...like at 10 or 11 (the in town stores close at 11)
Ok, i can already hearing you....so if you don't like closing at midnight, then get a new job....
My reply is this....
Im the night time supervisor, and all i have to do is close 3 nights a week and i get a hefty paycheck. (simply because we are open so late) if i were to go somewhere else then i would have to work more days and more hours. So, until i move into the new house next spring im not leaving.
please people, cut the late night fast food place workers some slack.....don't wait till the last minute....</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is off the topic that I started but oh well: If you are open at 11:59 then you should take orders at 11:59. No one cares you have drive whopping 8 miles home. That isn't even far at all! Besides, it is not about you. It is about the store.....the time you are open for business should be the time you take orders for.....unless you post a sign saying you turn the grill and fryer off at 11:45 or so.
I worked in Pizzeria/Deli for awhile and it was common knowledge that no hot food was served within 15 minutes of closing time, unless the owner (who was there) approved it.
People knew this and usually didn't bitch. But, in your case, a fast food restaurant should be open when it says it is open. As I paying customer it is not my problem that you have to drive home....as insensitive as that sounds.
Sorry dude....I know food service sucks.. Good luck.....
Am I missing something? What are you talking about? He said Macs suck, that's how it started out. Then we all were using Word 2000 and there were a few problems and then whenever someone went to print Word froze. He still said Macs suck. And then at some point I said that Office v.X is better than 2000 and that was based on experience with both. He has no experience with Macs. Now how am I doing the same thing he did?
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're not. Don't worry. You know how the 'rat can get.
Besides, why should we bend over backwards trying to prove our understanding and acceptance of Windows and PCs?
I'll state right now that, yes indeed, I AM an ultra-biased, close-minded Mac zealot who is only interested in Apple and their products for my computing experience.
I don't give two flying shits if Office for Windows IS better because I'm never going to be using the mother****er anyway, so...
[quote]I was in the computer lab in school...and I had mentioned something about Office for OS X and how much better it is for Macs than Windows ... and my friend says to me Macs suck.<hr></blockquote>
I don't know if it is your custom to tell stories in reverse, but the way you told the story you instigated the contention.
I, not being omnipotent, am unaware of how things actually went down but I'm quite sure you started the comparison conversation since most of the world doesn't care about Macs.
I am somewhat unwilling to believe that the application was freezing and your friend said, "This is crashing a lot, but at least it's not a Mac!"
You saying Office v.X is better (which isn't true, even in that instance, since Office v.X hangs more on me than runaway slaves in the antebellum South) is much more likely.
"Office v.X is better than Office2k" is just as intelligent as "Macs suck"
Why is it that I make very very simple points yet they are dragged out into 3-4 page semantic jousts?
"You saying Office v.X is better (which isn't true, even in that instance, since Office v.X hangs more on me than runaway slaves in the antebellum South) is much more likely."
Your purely anecdotal evidence is as good/bad as mine. Windows XP ate all my tulips! Really!
[quote]"Office v.X is better than Office2k" is just as intelligent as "Macs suck"<hr></blockquote>
How is that so? Like I said before, I said that from my own personal experience. This kid has no experience with Macs and he's just saying Macs suck because he doesn't like Macs but never has actually used one.
[quote]I am somewhat unwilling to believe that the application was freezing and your friend said, "This is crashing a lot, but at least it's not a Mac!"<hr></blockquote>
You're right. He didn't say that. What I said after Word froze was that Word v.X sucks compared to Word 2000 (from my experiences) then he went on to say Macs suck again.
So I still don't understand how what I said was equally as bad as what he said.
Yeah most of the PC dimwits just say "Macs suck Macs suck" yet they really don't have any clue what they're talking about. They've never even used a Mac and they say this after fully knowing they haven't had pleasant experiences with Windows. My friend says you can't run anything on a Mac and yet when I ask what programs he runs they are all available on Mac.
Good thing I just asked another friend what he thought of Macs and he said they are awesome and that he would switch to Mac. It's good to know there are some people that haven't been brainwashed by MS.
P.S. E, 913 posts! You're an animal! How do you do it my good man?
<strong>Yeah most of the PC dimwits just say "Macs suck Macs suck" yet they really don't have any clue what they're talking about. They've never even used a Mac and they say this after fully knowing they haven't had pleasant experiences with Windows. My friend says you can't run anything on a Mac and yet when I ask what programs he runs they are all available on Mac.
P.S. E, 913 posts! You're an animal! How do you do it my good man?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly like this kid. I showed him the OS X page at apple.com and he was surprised when he saw Starcraft X on there. He said "they finally came out with it for Macs". That's when I told him it's been out a long time. But of course I'm just being a Mac user who's totally against Windows, at least according to goverat.
I don't know how I got all the posts. I guess by saying stuff like what's in my status instead of the word Moderator.
<strong>Eugene, I realize it's anecdotal and didn't present it as anything else. If I did my current argument would be quite rediculous wouldn't it?
Eman:
Here's the timeline:
*Class using Office, freezes occur*
eman: Man, Office v.X for the Mac is better than this.
friend: Yeah, but Macs suck.
Fairly accurate?
I ask you, what's the difference? Your Windows use is anecdotal and most certainly not the norm, as is his view of the Macintosh platform.
They are both trolls. What's the difference?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Most of it is correct. He said Macs suck yesterday first before any of this with Word happened. I told him that he's just saying that because he hasn't used Macs. Finally, he said that that was the reason. After that I said that Office v.X was better because of my experiences yesterday and in the past with versions of Word and the rest of Office before XP.
The today Word froze. And the kid said Macs suck again. That was pretty much a summary of most of the things that happened.
I've used Windows quite a bit at friends houses and family members' homes so I have plenty of experience with Windows 98-2000 and ME. From what my friend said to me he had no experience at all with Macs.
If people need a metaphor to understand ram and HD´s they shouldn´t get a computer at all
:eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>
I am going to disagree with this. If you expect everyone that owns a computer to understand how it all works before they get one then about 90% of all of you should have never gotten a computer in the first place. If they buy a computer and then never figure out how to use it, then that is a waste, but it keep people like me in a job. One thing about windows, it created an industry of tech support that pays my mortgage and paid for my Powermac G4.
[quote]Just to point out, Grover, it's not "omnipotent", it's "omniscient".<hr></blockquote>
Not necessarily, but whatever gets you off.
[quote]Do you notice the difference between these advantages?<hr></blockquote>
Yes, they are mainly cosmetic, but yes I do notice them. What does it matter that I do? Does it have any bearing on my argument? (I'll give you a hint: The answer is "no")
[quote]...while the XP advantages are a little less "obvious" to the average consumer, "smart tags" being the exception.<hr></blockquote>
How are you, in any way shape or form, qualified to make any such statement?
Plenty of people at my lab seemed to figure them out rather quickly.
[quote](tell me honestly that you've used this feature).<hr></blockquote>
I don't use Excel at all. I use Word alone, I'm a journalism major. People at my lab use Excel all the time and it's a great use in their classroom PowerPoint presentations.
(The funniest thing about this argument is that Microsoft makes all of it.)
[quote]The reason Office XP doesn't have this feature is because the OS itself cannot support it without considerable CPU overhead and a shitload of display algorithm re-coding within the program itself.<hr></blockquote>
That's laughable. Like Quartz doesn't have considerable CPU overhead. What a joke.
[quote]And don't just point out the weaker of my points and ignore the stronger ones like you did in the X vs. XP thread<hr></blockquote>
Keep that thread in that thread. What you're doing now is nothing short of a thread-shit because you still don't know anything about anything other than your platform of blind choice.
ha ha ha ha ha, you think the new versions of Office are nice? he he.
ok, groverat, try the following. bear with me, you'll see where this is going. (now, to be perfectly fair, for all i know the Mac version is the same way, i haven't used it as i quit at my old work, and i'd have to sell a kidney to afford a mac)
type in the word Idiot.
then look it up in the thesaurus.
try moron. or any derogitory term. ha ha, like your choices?
MS sucks nuts, i can't believe they voluntarily did this to their thesaurus. as a journalism major, i'd love to hear what you think of this attitude for a word processing product.
lol, maybe they'll sell a supplimental hardcopy thesaurus with all the words in it for another $29.99
This doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but I drive 65 miles each way almost every day to work and school. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Butt naked in the snow?
cause if not Your just not a man!
a friend of mine...who is fairly knowledgable about computers(he's totally anti-mac and pc biased even though he almost always loses any discussions or arguments we have over the two platforms) was commenting on something I mentioned(the possiblity of 3.2 gbs firewire) and he instantly took the oppurtunity to make pcs sound better(as he always does when I bring up supierior mac tech.) and Though he didn't MEAN to say it what he said was
"at home we have a network thats like 2.2 gigaboots per millimeter"
Comments
eman:
You started the contention. You brought up how it was "better" than the Windows version, which you haven't substantiated here.
How can you possibly look down on someone who did the exact same thing you did? You started that kind of talk in the first place.<hr></blockquote>
Am I missing something? What are you talking about? He said Macs suck, that's how it started out. Then we all were using Word 2000 and there were a few problems and then whenever someone went to print Word froze. He still said Macs suck. And then at some point I said that Office v.X is better than 2000 and that was based on experience with both. He has no experience with Macs. Now how am I doing the same thing he did?
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
<strong>
Ok, first....you've never worked fast food have you?
Second....its MIDNIGHT! i am tired and i have to drive 8 miles home in a car that i don't know if its even going to start up half the time.
Third...i offer everyone who comes down, that they can buy anything BUT a sandwhich. But to tell me that you just NOW got hungry at 5 till? Sorry i don't buy it.
Fourth, if i could close at 11 i would....trust me.
Fith...ive closed with the Operating Manager who co-owns all the subways in my town....and even he closed the gate between 5-7 till.
Listen, im all for service....and i would have served them if we closed earlier...like at 10 or 11 (the in town stores close at 11)
Ok, i can already hearing you....so if you don't like closing at midnight, then get a new job....
My reply is this....
Im the night time supervisor, and all i have to do is close 3 nights a week and i get a hefty paycheck. (simply because we are open so late) if i were to go somewhere else then i would have to work more days and more hours. So, until i move into the new house next spring im not leaving.
please people, cut the late night fast food place workers some slack.....don't wait till the last minute....</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is off the topic that I started but oh well: If you are open at 11:59 then you should take orders at 11:59. No one cares you have drive whopping 8 miles home. That isn't even far at all! Besides, it is not about you. It is about the store.....the time you are open for business should be the time you take orders for.....unless you post a sign saying you turn the grill and fryer off at 11:45 or so.
I worked in Pizzeria/Deli for awhile and it was common knowledge that no hot food was served within 15 minutes of closing time, unless the owner (who was there) approved it.
People knew this and usually didn't bitch. But, in your case, a fast food restaurant should be open when it says it is open. As I paying customer it is not my problem that you have to drive home....as insensitive as that sounds.
Sorry dude....I know food service sucks.. Good luck.....
<strong>
Am I missing something? What are you talking about? He said Macs suck, that's how it started out. Then we all were using Word 2000 and there were a few problems and then whenever someone went to print Word froze. He still said Macs suck. And then at some point I said that Office v.X is better than 2000 and that was based on experience with both. He has no experience with Macs. Now how am I doing the same thing he did?
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're not. Don't worry. You know how the 'rat can get.
Besides, why should we bend over backwards trying to prove our understanding and acceptance of Windows and PCs?
I'll state right now that, yes indeed, I AM an ultra-biased, close-minded Mac zealot who is only interested in Apple and their products for my computing experience.
I don't give two flying shits if Office for Windows IS better because I'm never going to be using the mother****er anyway, so...
There. Anyone else?
Scribam j00:
[quote]I was in the computer lab in school...and I had mentioned something about Office for OS X and how much better it is for Macs than Windows ... and my friend says to me Macs suck.<hr></blockquote>
I don't know if it is your custom to tell stories in reverse, but the way you told the story you instigated the contention.
I, not being omnipotent, am unaware of how things actually went down but I'm quite sure you started the comparison conversation since most of the world doesn't care about Macs.
I am somewhat unwilling to believe that the application was freezing and your friend said, "This is crashing a lot, but at least it's not a Mac!"
You saying Office v.X is better (which isn't true, even in that instance, since Office v.X hangs more on me than runaway slaves in the antebellum South) is much more likely.
"Office v.X is better than Office2k" is just as intelligent as "Macs suck"
Why is it that I make very very simple points yet they are dragged out into 3-4 page semantic jousts?
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
Your purely anecdotal evidence is as good/bad as mine. Windows XP ate all my tulips! Really!
No, Really!
I mean it!
I'm not lying!
I really mean it!
It's true!
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
It's not the OS.
It's the application itself and the company that makes it - Microsoft.....they all suck
Everyone happy?
[quote]"Office v.X is better than Office2k" is just as intelligent as "Macs suck"<hr></blockquote>
How is that so? Like I said before, I said that from my own personal experience. This kid has no experience with Macs and he's just saying Macs suck because he doesn't like Macs but never has actually used one.
[quote]I am somewhat unwilling to believe that the application was freezing and your friend said, "This is crashing a lot, but at least it's not a Mac!"<hr></blockquote>
You're right. He didn't say that. What I said after Word froze was that Word v.X sucks compared to Word 2000 (from my experiences) then he went on to say Macs suck again.
So I still don't understand how what I said was equally as bad as what he said.
Gentleman......to your corners!
Yeah most of the PC dimwits just say "Macs suck Macs suck" yet they really don't have any clue what they're talking about. They've never even used a Mac and they say this after fully knowing they haven't had pleasant experiences with Windows. My friend says you can't run anything on a Mac and yet when I ask what programs he runs they are all available on Mac.
Good thing I just asked another friend what he thought of Macs and he said they are awesome and that he would switch to Mac. It's good to know there are some people that haven't been brainwashed by MS.
P.S. E, 913 posts! You're an animal! How do you do it my good man?
Eman:
Here's the timeline:
*Class using Office, freezes occur*
eman: Man, Office v.X for the Mac is better than this.
friend: Yeah, but Macs suck.
Fairly accurate?
I ask you, what's the difference? Your Windows use is anecdotal and most certainly not the norm, as is his view of the Macintosh platform.
They are both trolls. What's the difference?
<strong>Yeah most of the PC dimwits just say "Macs suck Macs suck" yet they really don't have any clue what they're talking about. They've never even used a Mac and they say this after fully knowing they haven't had pleasant experiences with Windows. My friend says you can't run anything on a Mac and yet when I ask what programs he runs they are all available on Mac.
P.S. E, 913 posts! You're an animal! How do you do it my good man?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly like this kid. I showed him the OS X page at apple.com and he was surprised when he saw Starcraft X on there. He said "they finally came out with it for Macs". That's when I told him it's been out a long time. But of course I'm just being a Mac user who's totally against Windows, at least according to goverat.
I don't know how I got all the posts. I guess by saying stuff like what's in my status instead of the word Moderator.
<strong>Eugene, I realize it's anecdotal and didn't present it as anything else. If I did my current argument would be quite rediculous wouldn't it?
Eman:
Here's the timeline:
*Class using Office, freezes occur*
eman: Man, Office v.X for the Mac is better than this.
friend: Yeah, but Macs suck.
Fairly accurate?
I ask you, what's the difference? Your Windows use is anecdotal and most certainly not the norm, as is his view of the Macintosh platform.
They are both trolls. What's the difference?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Most of it is correct. He said Macs suck yesterday first before any of this with Word happened. I told him that he's just saying that because he hasn't used Macs. Finally, he said that that was the reason. After that I said that Office v.X was better because of my experiences yesterday and in the past with versions of Word and the rest of Office before XP.
The today Word froze. And the kid said Macs suck again. That was pretty much a summary of most of the things that happened.
I've used Windows quite a bit at friends houses and family members' homes so I have plenty of experience with Windows 98-2000 and ME. From what my friend said to me he had no experience at all with Macs.
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
<strong>
If people need a metaphor to understand ram and HD´s they shouldn´t get a computer at all
:eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>
I am going to disagree with this. If you expect everyone that owns a computer to understand how it all works before they get one then about 90% of all of you should have never gotten a computer in the first place. If they buy a computer and then never figure out how to use it, then that is a waste, but it keep people like me in a job.
[quote]Just to point out, Grover, it's not "omnipotent", it's "omniscient".<hr></blockquote>
Not necessarily, but whatever gets you off.
[quote]Do you notice the difference between these advantages?<hr></blockquote>
Yes, they are mainly cosmetic, but yes I do notice them. What does it matter that I do? Does it have any bearing on my argument? (I'll give you a hint: The answer is "no")
[quote]...while the XP advantages are a little less "obvious" to the average consumer, "smart tags" being the exception.<hr></blockquote>
How are you, in any way shape or form, qualified to make any such statement?
Plenty of people at my lab seemed to figure them out rather quickly.
[quote](tell me honestly that you've used this feature).<hr></blockquote>
I don't use Excel at all. I use Word alone, I'm a journalism major. People at my lab use Excel all the time and it's a great use in their classroom PowerPoint presentations.
(The funniest thing about this argument is that Microsoft makes all of it.)
[quote]The reason Office XP doesn't have this feature is because the OS itself cannot support it without considerable CPU overhead and a shitload of display algorithm re-coding within the program itself.<hr></blockquote>
That's laughable. Like Quartz doesn't have considerable CPU overhead. What a joke.
[quote]And don't just point out the weaker of my points and ignore the stronger ones like you did in the X vs. XP thread<hr></blockquote>
Keep that thread in that thread. What you're doing now is nothing short of a thread-shit because you still don't know anything about anything other than your platform of blind choice.
ok, groverat, try the following. bear with me, you'll see where this is going. (now, to be perfectly fair, for all i know the Mac version is the same way, i haven't used it as i quit at my old work, and i'd have to sell a kidney to afford a mac)
type in the word Idiot.
then look it up in the thesaurus.
try moron. or any derogitory term. ha ha, like your choices?
MS sucks nuts, i can't believe they voluntarily did this to their thesaurus. as a journalism major, i'd love to hear what you think of this attitude for a word processing product.
lol, maybe they'll sell a supplimental hardcopy thesaurus with all the words in it for another $29.99
[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: alcimedes ]</p>
<strong>
This doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but I drive 65 miles each way almost every day to work and school.
Butt naked in the snow?
cause if not Your just not a man!
a friend of mine...who is fairly knowledgable about computers(he's totally anti-mac and pc biased even though he almost always loses any discussions or arguments we have over the two platforms) was commenting on something I mentioned(the possiblity of 3.2 gbs firewire) and he instantly took the oppurtunity to make pcs sound better(as he always does when I bring up supierior mac tech.) and Though he didn't MEAN to say it what he said was
"at home we have a network thats like 2.2 gigaboots per millimeter"
I did not know that.
<strong>Word has a thesaurus?
I did not know that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, Grovie?
According to the Thesaurus (keyboard shortcut: option-command-R) in my copy of Word X ?.
To you, Office X is?
Unknown, Mysterious, Strange, Unheard of, Untried, Unfamiliar, Novel, Different, Unusual, Exotic, and Untested
When it comes to comparing Office X with Office XP (which has been installed on one of my VPC disk images since it was two weeks old), you are?
Inexperienced, Green, Inexpert, Inept, Unprofessional, Unskilled, Amateurish, Ham-fisted, Bungling, Untested, Untried, and Unproven
According to my own internal Bubba Thesaurus...
ya shouldn't oughta be talkin shiit about shiit you don't know shiit about.