Only those that are somehow -- even if they're only tangentially -- related to Google.
Really? That's all you could find to say? I would have expected you to add something of value to the discussion instead of dropping by just to be snippy. You and I used to have fairly respectful discussions here. I learned a few things from you, consider you one of the more educated members. Sad that it seems it's no longer worth your effort to be civil.
Hoping maybe I'm wrong and you've just had a rough week.
Hoping maybe I'm wrong and you've just had a rough week.
I do respect your research, civill discourse and the generally respectful manner in which you reply but many of us wonder why you spend so much time here when you clearly are not a Mac type of guy?
Don't let the tricky wording used by DED trick you. Office is available on Android. However, there is no seperate version for Android tablets at this time.
Tricky wording? Like trying to suggest that Microsofts old "mobile Office" for iPhone/Android/WP8 is anything like Microsoft's new iPad touch apps that are real apps that work like iWork?
I do respect your research, civill discourse and the generally respectful manner in which you reply but many of us wonder why you spend so much time here when you clearly are not a Mac type of guy?
Oh, I think I'm definitely a "Mac type of guy". I get along great with most of my fellow graphic professionals who are overwhelmingly Mac shops. I just don't use a Mac. Used to tho, an old iMac that pretty much bit the dust a couple years back.
Remember now why I had it too. There were two ad agencies sending over Quark files back in the day. Thank goodness that buggy software has pretty much disappeared. It was barely worth the hassle dealing with it. InDesign made things so much easier when they went cross-platform.
I do respect your research, civill discourse and the generally respectful manner in which you reply but many of us wonder why you spend so much time here when you clearly are not a Mac type of guy?
Oh, I think I'm definitely a "Mac type of guy". I get along great with most of my fellow graphic professionals who are overwhelmingly Mac shops. I just don't use a Mac. Used to tho, an old iMac that pretty much bit the dust a couple years back.
So since you are no longer a Mac user, is there not a more appropriate site for you to post to like www.formerappleuser.com or whatever they call it?
So since you are no longer a Mac user, is there not a more appropriate site for you to post to like www.formerappleuser.com or whatever they call it?
All the smart guys are here tho.
EDIT: Who knows, I may need to put another Mac in the shop before all is said and done. There's been a few times I wish I had one available and you know what happens then. Once you go Mac you never look back.
Nadella is smart enough to realize that, like in the early days of Macintosh or even Apple ][, Microsoft is and should be first and foremost a software company and that those millions of iPad users are not the enemy but rather potential customers of your products. Monkey Boy never got that, and look what competing (make that: trying to compete) with Apple on everything from music players to phones to tablets has done to the once mighty MS/Windows brand.
Remember now why I had it too. There were two ad agencies sending over Quark files back in the day. Thank goodness that buggy software has pretty much disappeared. It was barely worth the hassle dealing with it. InDesign made things so much easier when they went cross-platform.
Now that's just BS, Quark was always bullet proof on both Mac and Windows. It was very strict on the way things were built but it never failed when built the correct way. inDesign brought lot of designer friendly features into the graphic workflow but nothing is any different. You still need to produce output ready documents regardless of which layout application you use.
Now that's just BS, Quark was always bullet proof on both Mac and Windows. It was very strict on the way things were built but it never failed when built the correct way. inDesign brought lot of designer friendly features into the graphic workflow but nothing is any different. You still need to produce output ready documents regardless of which layout application you use.
Hmmm. In my recollection most of RIP/print issues disappeared once they converted over to InDesign. That was nearly 10 years ago tho so maybe you're right and they didn't know how to build proper files in Quark and finally figured it out with InDesign.
EDIT: I don't miss my old Fiery Rip station either. Progress.
Hmmm. In my recollection most of RIP/print issues disappeared once they converted over to InDesign. That was nearly 10 years ago tho so maybe you're right and they didn't know how to build proper files in Quark and finally figured it out with InDesign.
I think you may be right about that. I was using Quark when it was still called Visionary, Now days it seems to be one of those situations where anyone who owns a hammer is a carpenter. If you don't have training, you don't have shit, when it comes to best industry practices in graphic design. We still see people with MS Word who think they can design their own brochures. I don't bother treating them with kid gloves. I just tell them flat out that they have no clue what professional design is. Remarkably they usually concede an let me do what I do with no complaints. I rarely get the comment that they want to "jazz it up" or "make it pop" once I tell them they are incompetent morons. And I do. Somehow I get away with it.
What these companies really want is to lock customers in, right?
On the desktop, software applications are for serious work and very expensive, meaning that people will tend to get locked in to a particular OS. So being an OS vendor is how to lock people in to you on that platform.
But that won't work on tablets. The App Store has made software very cheap: less than $5 or free, so being an OS vendor is not the plum position on tablets that it is on desktops, from the point of view of lock in. Microsoft is correctly trying a different strategy involving the cloud. In fact they should remove all that tablet junk from Windows 8.1 and just make it a pure desktop product again.
I think you may be right about that. I was using Quark when it was still called Visionary, Now days it seems to be one of those situations where anyone who owns a hammer is a carpenter. If you don't have training, you don't have shit, when it comes to best industry practices in graphic design. We still see people with MS Word who think they can design their own brochures. I don't bother treating them with kid gloves. I just tell them flat out that they have no clue what professional design is. Remarkably they usually concede an let me do what I do with no complaints. I rarely get the comment that they want to "jazz it up" or "make it pop" once I tell them they are incompetent morons. And I do. Somehow I get away with it.
I got to deal with my favorite issue twice this week. Grand format event canvas. Client sends over sub-megabyte jpeg for the primary image. When I discuss a more appropriate file, perhaps an AI/EPS or even PDF they send over. . .
the exact same little jpeg but now in a PDF. During the recent recession there's been a whole lot of companies who decided they would handle design in-house, apparently believing anyone with a copy of Powerpoint and an account with iStock can do it. It's become my job, and probably yours, to fix it for 'em.
Don't let the tricky wording used by DroidFTW trick you. Office on Android is a severely limited version. There is no tablet-optimized, feature rich version of Office for Android.
Here's a simple way to look at it. Office for Android is a 27MB download. That's for the entire package. Word for the iPad is a whopping 250MB. If you get all four Apps (Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote) it's over 900MB.
I wonder, do you actually think a 27MB App contains the same functionality as a 900MB App? Or perhaps you think MS wrote a highly optimized and efficient version for Android and a bloated, inefficient version for the iPad?
I know this is a simple comparison, but it's something everyone should understand.
The one on Android certainly is 27MB. The rest of your post would certainly explain why I found the Android version to be underwhelming and said that Android already has much better options while you felt the need to jump in and defend MS Office.
As an aside, DED once claimed that Excel isn't capable of doing basic addition correctly. Make sure to double check your figures when using it! " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Bringing Office to the iPad is huge for large companies. Where I work, you can bring your own device and have it connected to our work mail and portal servers. This means that I can now review Office documents in their raw file type rather than the less than perfect options out there. If our enterprise decides to allow editing of Office documents (which I don't expect since they don't want our proprietary content hosted in Microsoft's cloud) then I cannot see any reason for me to use much more than my iPad for more than 80% of my needs. There will definitely be times that I need the more powerful desktop/laptop version and some of our tools are built for desktop usage only but after that, the iPad has now become an even more powerful tool than before, a true enterprise tool. We are also developing tools specifically for the iPad so there is longevity in the platform for us.
And from an anecdotal point of view, I see tons of iPads at my workplace, the trend is growing everyday. I have seen a handful of Samsung and Microsoft tablet devices but at least 95% of the tablet devices are iPads, both in full size and mini.
Finally, for those people who still think that it is difficult to use documents in iOS then they need to rebook at the tools they use. I use Documents by Readdle. It is a great app which logs directly into Dropbox. I drop my file into Dropbox, edit and manipulate it as needed using any of my hardware (PC laptop, wife's MacBook Air, iPad) and then use Documents to link it to an email and send it out. It works a charm. I was on vacation this week and for the first time only took my iPad with me. I was able to watch and check my work emails, make changes to documents as needed and use Documents to send it on. Very simple.
I would say that adding a file directly into the native email app would be more useful but I am not giving up the speed, ability and sheer enjoyment I get out of my iPad Mini Retina for something that is easily solvable through other great third party apps out there which are designed and continually updated for this platform.
I got to deal with my favorite issue twice this week. Grand format event canvas. Client sends over sub-megabyte jpeg for the primary image. When I discuss a more appropriate file, perhaps an AI/EPS or even PDF they send over. . .
the exact same little jpeg but now in a PDF. During the recent recession there's been a whole lot of companies who decided they would handle design in-house, apparently believing anyone with a copy of Powerpoint and an account with iStock can do it. It's become my job, and probably yours, to fix it for 'em.
I think you may be right about that. I was using Quark when it was still called Visionary, Now days it seems to be one of those situations where anyone who owns a hammer is a carpenter. If you don't have training, you don't have shit, when it comes to best industry practices in graphic design. We still see people with MS Word who think they can design their own brochures. I don't bother treating them with kid gloves. I just tell them flat out that they have no clue what professional design is. Remarkably they usually concede an let me do what I do with no complaints. I rarely get the comment that they want to "jazz it up" or "make it pop" once I tell them they are incompetent morons. And I do. Somehow I get away with it.
^^^ Part of the main reason I decided a couple of years ago to move away from print and packaging graphics as my my main business. I just got sick of fighting for good graphic design with people that got put behind a computer with Office, mostly sales and marketing folk that decided they could do their sales and POS materials themselves. It became too depressing and maddening to see CI's, logos and packaging being molested after a company demanding artwork and sources handed it over "their departments". We saw Usage Manuals thrown to the bottom of a drawer and ignored, to even taking company-made brochures and posters back to the studio and reworking them ourselves. This all led to frustration, fighting for "best graphic design practises" as you put it... with an ever dwindling return on emotional, professional, and financial investment. It eventuallly screwed up my health and a number of personal relationships dear to me. Design... for me at least... is a very emotional driven discipline, and rather unfortunately I came to hate and despise myself for having the talent and fortitude to do it.
I got "away with it" too with my clients... not so much with loved ones and most importantly myself. Being pissed, depressed and demoralized all the time is tiring.
ROTFL! Probably in Times Bold too, tho I kinda like the look of Brush Script all caps as one of my clients sends over at least once a year.
...and yes now I can laugh again at that sort of thing too! From the old days, I believe I saw that headline in Zapf Chancery once a week! Restaurants, hotels, bakeries and produce packaging businesses LOVE Zapf...:smokey:
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Really? That's all you could find to say? I would have expected you to add something of value to the discussion instead of dropping by just to be snippy. You and I used to have fairly respectful discussions here. I learned a few things from you, consider you one of the more educated members. Sad that it seems it's no longer worth your effort to be civil.
Hoping maybe I'm wrong and you've just had a rough week.
I do respect your research, civill discourse and the generally respectful manner in which you reply but many of us wonder why you spend so much time here when you clearly are not a Mac type of guy?
Don't let the tricky wording used by DED trick you. Office is available on Android. However, there is no seperate version for Android tablets at this time.
Tricky wording? Like trying to suggest that Microsofts old "mobile Office" for iPhone/Android/WP8 is anything like Microsoft's new iPad touch apps that are real apps that work like iWork?
Oh, I think I'm definitely a "Mac type of guy". I get along great with most of my fellow graphic professionals who are overwhelmingly Mac shops. I just don't use a Mac. Used to tho, an old iMac that pretty much bit the dust a couple years back.
Remember now why I had it too. There were two ad agencies sending over Quark files back in the day. Thank goodness that buggy software has pretty much disappeared. It was barely worth the hassle dealing with it. InDesign made things so much easier when they went cross-platform.
I do respect your research, civill discourse and the generally respectful manner in which you reply but many of us wonder why you spend so much time here when you clearly are not a Mac type of guy?
Oh, I think I'm definitely a "Mac type of guy". I get along great with most of my fellow graphic professionals who are overwhelmingly Mac shops. I just don't use a Mac. Used to tho, an old iMac that pretty much bit the dust a couple years back.
So since you are no longer a Mac user, is there not a more appropriate site for you to post to like www.formerappleuser.com or whatever they call it?
All the smart guys are here tho.
EDIT: Who knows, I may need to put another Mac in the shop before all is said and done. There's been a few times I wish I had one available and you know what happens then. Once you go Mac you never look back.
And that doesn't make you wonder why we all like Macs?
On the surface your comment makes sense but as GG eludes, above, this forum has many excellent contributors.
Remember now why I had it too. There were two ad agencies sending over Quark files back in the day. Thank goodness that buggy software has pretty much disappeared. It was barely worth the hassle dealing with it. InDesign made things so much easier when they went cross-platform.
Now that's just BS, Quark was always bullet proof on both Mac and Windows. It was very strict on the way things were built but it never failed when built the correct way. inDesign brought lot of designer friendly features into the graphic workflow but nothing is any different. You still need to produce output ready documents regardless of which layout application you use.
Hmmm. In my recollection most of RIP/print issues disappeared once they converted over to InDesign. That was nearly 10 years ago tho so maybe you're right and they didn't know how to build proper files in Quark and finally figured it out with InDesign.
EDIT: I don't miss my old Fiery Rip station either.
I think you may be right about that. I was using Quark when it was still called Visionary, Now days it seems to be one of those situations where anyone who owns a hammer is a carpenter. If you don't have training, you don't have shit, when it comes to best industry practices in graphic design. We still see people with MS Word who think they can design their own brochures. I don't bother treating them with kid gloves. I just tell them flat out that they have no clue what professional design is. Remarkably they usually concede an let me do what I do with no complaints. I rarely get the comment that they want to "jazz it up" or "make it pop" once I tell them they are incompetent morons. And I do. Somehow I get away with it.
What these companies really want is to lock customers in, right?
On the desktop, software applications are for serious work and very expensive, meaning that people will tend to get locked in to a particular OS. So being an OS vendor is how to lock people in to you on that platform.
But that won't work on tablets. The App Store has made software very cheap: less than $5 or free, so being an OS vendor is not the plum position on tablets that it is on desktops, from the point of view of lock in. Microsoft is correctly trying a different strategy involving the cloud. In fact they should remove all that tablet junk from Windows 8.1 and just make it a pure desktop product again.
I got to deal with my favorite issue twice this week. Grand format event canvas. Client sends over sub-megabyte jpeg for the primary image. When I discuss a more appropriate file, perhaps an AI/EPS or even PDF they send over. . .
the exact same little jpeg but now in a PDF. During the recent recession there's been a whole lot of companies who decided they would handle design in-house, apparently believing anyone with a copy of Powerpoint and an account with iStock can do it. It's become my job, and probably yours, to fix it for 'em.
Don't let the tricky wording used by DroidFTW trick you. Office on Android is a severely limited version. There is no tablet-optimized, feature rich version of Office for Android.
Here's a simple way to look at it. Office for Android is a 27MB download. That's for the entire package. Word for the iPad is a whopping 250MB. If you get all four Apps (Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote) it's over 900MB.
I wonder, do you actually think a 27MB App contains the same functionality as a 900MB App? Or perhaps you think MS wrote a highly optimized and efficient version for Android and a bloated, inefficient version for the iPad?
I know this is a simple comparison, but it's something everyone should understand.
The one on Android certainly is 27MB. The rest of your post would certainly explain why I found the Android version to be underwhelming and said that Android already has much better options while you felt the need to jump in and defend MS Office.
As an aside, DED once claimed that Excel isn't capable of doing basic addition correctly. Make sure to double check your figures when using it!
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I don't even worry about that. It is the ALL CAPS ITALIC BOLD RED HEADLINE UNDERLINED WITH THREE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!
My god man get a grip. Yes that is white space and no we do not need to put something there.
And from an anecdotal point of view, I see tons of iPads at my workplace, the trend is growing everyday. I have seen a handful of Samsung and Microsoft tablet devices but at least 95% of the tablet devices are iPads, both in full size and mini.
Finally, for those people who still think that it is difficult to use documents in iOS then they need to rebook at the tools they use. I use Documents by Readdle. It is a great app which logs directly into Dropbox. I drop my file into Dropbox, edit and manipulate it as needed using any of my hardware (PC laptop, wife's MacBook Air, iPad) and then use Documents to link it to an email and send it out. It works a charm. I was on vacation this week and for the first time only took my iPad with me. I was able to watch and check my work emails, make changes to documents as needed and use Documents to send it on. Very simple.
I would say that adding a file directly into the native email app would be more useful but I am not giving up the speed, ability and sheer enjoyment I get out of my iPad Mini Retina for something that is easily solvable through other great third party apps out there which are designed and continually updated for this platform.
^^^ Part of the main reason I decided a couple of years ago to move away from print and packaging graphics as my my main business. I just got sick of fighting for good graphic design with people that got put behind a computer with Office, mostly sales and marketing folk that decided they could do their sales and POS materials themselves. It became too depressing and maddening to see CI's, logos and packaging being molested after a company demanding artwork and sources handed it over "their departments". We saw Usage Manuals thrown to the bottom of a drawer and ignored, to even taking company-made brochures and posters back to the studio and reworking them ourselves. This all led to frustration, fighting for "best graphic design practises" as you put it... with an ever dwindling return on emotional, professional, and financial investment. It eventuallly screwed up my health and a number of personal relationships dear to me. Design... for me at least... is a very emotional driven discipline, and rather unfortunately I came to hate and despise myself for having the talent and fortitude to do it.
I got "away with it" too with my clients... not so much with loved ones and most importantly myself. Being pissed, depressed and demoralized all the time is tiring.
...and yes now I can laugh again at that sort of thing too! From the old days, I believe I saw that headline in Zapf Chancery once a week! Restaurants, hotels, bakeries and produce packaging businesses LOVE Zapf...:smokey:
Troll or agitator? I cannot decide. Maybe while DED is at it, he should punch someone's lights out ; )
Have you seen the guy? He'd have trouble punching out a bundy clock.