Amazon takes on Apple TV with new $99 fireTV streaming & gaming set-top box

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  • Reply 121 of 193
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 19,223member
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    A non-elegant, and expensive solution.

    1) Why?

     

    2) How will you integrate your photos/music/videos with Amazon's offering?

  • Reply 122 of 193
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,360member

    Apple have never been 1st at releasing anything, that's because other companies here the plans and rush out their own interpretation.

    However, what Apple eventually releases is always the best.

     

    If you can't wait for Apple to release the new ATV then don't. Go and buy a stop gap POS and pass it on to a friend when Apple release and you update.

     

    Amazon heard that Apple were going to drop the ball so decided to beat them to it.

  • Reply 123 of 193
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    evilution wrote: »
    Apple have never been 1st at releasing anything, that's because other companies here the plans and rush out their own interpretation.
    However, what Apple eventually releases is always the best.

    If you can't wait for Apple to release the new ATV then don't. Go and buy a stop gap POS and pass it on to a friend when Apple release and you update.

    Amazon heard that Apple were going to drop the ball so decided to beat them to it.

    This can't be stated enough. How long did portable music players exist before Apple released one? How long did cellphones exist before Apple released one? How long did tablets exist before Apple released one? yet in each case Apple's entry was seen as entering a saturated market without enough features, and yet they are quickly became the model by which all other devices were judged and all other vendors quickly had to play catch up to mirror this device that wasn't anything more than a sic-fi dream before it came out, stupid and pointless the day it came out, and then get labeled as "Duh! It's so obvious!" when everyone starts to mirror their innovations.
  • Reply 124 of 193
    patpatpatpatpatpat Posts: 628member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

     

    1) Why?

     

    2) How will you integrate your photos/music/videos with Amazon's offering?


    Airplay is a PITA to use from my iMac to ATV and has lots of issues. I have a late 2103 build iMac and an even more recent ATV and Airport extreme. The imac is hardwired to the ATV via the Airport Extreme.

     

    * iMac mouse becomes unresponsive when I enable Airplay

    * audio fails to play over airplay, I have to restart coreaud daemon

    * Video is choppy on tv. I can compare with the same video on the iMac screen which isn't choppy.

     

    When it works it works OK, when it doesn't (about 50% of the time) it's a bitch. 

  • Reply 125 of 193
    patpatpatpatpatpat Posts: 628member
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    Originally Posted by John.B View Post

     

    So I checked this out at Amazon.com and they have some nice features but they are definitely missing a few things:


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    • No built-in power supply (wallwart power adapter)

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    I fail to understand why people think this is a big deal for a device that you set and forget. My Macbook pro on the other hand has an external PS which is a PITA. It would make more sense for a portable device to have a built in PS than a device that never moves.

  • Reply 126 of 193
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 4,602member

    So the CEO of Roku complained that apple was losing money on ATV, do you all think that Amazon is even breaking even on this one. Do you think Amazon will ever tell anyone how many they sell. How often do people see the Kindle Fire in the wild, I actually see more kindle reader than I have ever seen Fires or FiresHD

  • Reply 127 of 193
    normmnormm Posts: 570member
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    Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post



    Your move, Apple.



    How many times in the past two years has Cook said, "We've got amazing new products in the pipeline..."?



    Definitely a bunch of market-appeasing, gasbag bromides at this point. They sound no different than any other vaporware-producing has-been.

     

    There have been some amazing new products in the past two years.  As for vaporware, the only things I can remember Apple ever pre-announcing were the original iPhone and the new Mac Pro.  Seem pretty real to me.

  • Reply 128 of 193
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,980member
    1) Why?

    2) How will you integrate your photos/music/videos with Amazon's offering?

    We were discussing porn and Roku, but Amazon does have cloud services of its own.
  • Reply 129 of 193
    Wow there's a lot of comments. I'm really excited about the gaming aspect. Think about it, for $150 you can have a nice gaming machine with lots of games and more on the way - many for a dollar or less! That's less than a video game rental. And the specs for gaming are not bad. I could also buy this for my uncle cause he loves to game. I love apple, but I don't think they'd mind me getting a product from a few other companies. :) man, I love all the options coming out these days.
  • Reply 130 of 193
    doesn't play usb deal killer

    You want the TorrentBox. Plays pirated content straight from the torrents. Skip the USB dongle. /s
  • Reply 131 of 193
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,705member
    512ke wrote: »
    There's no reason to call anyone an asshat, you asshat (just kidding lol).

    I would hardly call Apple a failure at anything.  They're an extremely successful company with record sales across the board.

    The problem is that Android tablet sales are exploding.

    http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2013/05/tablet-market-share-trends-android-ipad-windows.html#.UzxkUI6sRtE

    Apple dominated this category as recently as 2010.  Now they're the smaller player.

    Apple dominated the smart phone market, now outside of the US they are by far a niche player.

    So am I a nervous nellie (lol!) as a shareholder to be concerned about an Amazon box that capitalizes on Amazon's streaming services while providing voice input and gaming capabilities?

    No, I don't think I'm a nervous Nellie.  The Amazon box is unproven, but the history of Android's continued explosive growth compared to Apple's slow steady growth, gives some reasons for a shareholder to be concerned!

    I hope Apple blows it out of the water in 2014.  Woah, Nellie!

    If you were a shareholder you'd be more concerned about profits not market share. . Apple has the lion's share.
  • Reply 132 of 193
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Several, but Apple also released amazing refreshed products during that time.

     

    Added 'refreshed' to your post. You obviously forgot. ;) 

  • Reply 133 of 193
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member

    Can we get a BBC iPlayer app for Apple TV now, please?

  • Reply 134 of 193
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
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    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    He also they'll be released in late 2013 and throughout 2014. It's only April.

    To be fair, they have updated the AC adapters and the internals on their keyboards and AirPort Express's. That's definitely 'amazing'. 

  • Reply 135 of 193
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
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    Originally Posted by Dick LeSwunder View Post





    You'd know about gasbagging with the same tired comment about Cook. You technobabies are worse than my 2 year old with your "gimme now" mentality.

     

    You're right: We've all been saying "gimme now"...for two years. 

  • Reply 136 of 193
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
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    Originally Posted by NormM View Post

     

     

    There have been some amazing new products in the past two years.  As for vaporware, the only things I can remember Apple ever pre-announcing were the original iPhone and the new Mac Pro.  Seem pretty real to me.


     

    Please list "amazing new products." Amazing refreshes of existing products don't really count, what with all the NEW products competitors are releasing day in, day out. 

     

    Disclaimer: I own 3 shares of APPL, so my desire to see new products at the expense of long-term vision overwhelms my sensibilities. 

  • Reply 137 of 193
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,589member
    mazda 3s wrote: »

    Does AI need to have an IQ test for posters before they're allowed to contribute content to the forums?

    Back off! Insults are inappropriate. This is obviously someone whose English is a second language.
  • Reply 138 of 193
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Please list "amazing new products." Amazing refreshes of existing products don't really count, what with all the NEW products competitors are releasing day in, day out. 

    Disclaimer: I own 3 shares of APPL, so my desire to see new products at the expense of long-term vision overwhelms my sensibilities. 

    I accept they are refreshed models (2012 MBP to 2013 MBP) or general model categories (10" iPad as in iPad 4 to iPad Air) but that's still a new product, each with innovations and advancements that oft make it worthwhile to upgrade. I am sporting an iPhone 5S, Retina iPad mini, and Late-2013 15" MBP all within a short timeframe last year because they are advancement I felt were worth spending the money on.

    If you had asked me if I thought I'd likely upgrade from my iPhone 5 before the 5S was announced I think I would been uncertain. I ended up not getting the iPhone 4S. My iPad was an iPad 3 and my Mac was a 2010 13" MBP. This shows I certainly don't need to buy the latest Apple product just because it's new.

    If you own see new as being a brand new model category that Apple has never before entered then you're going to be disappointed a lot. They've only ever had 4 of them that were wildly successful. The Mac in 1984, the iPod in 2001, the iPhone in 2007, and iPad in 2010. I think it's irrational to expect that Apple release brand new product categories annually.

    Other vendors simply rebrand a product type but that's because it's a failure. Even Apple has done it with .Mac to MobileMe to iCloud. This is what you do when something has become tainted. You don't do this when something is highly successful without having a very, very, very good reason. I guess Apple could have called the iPad mini the iPhablet and you would have gotten a new product category in 2012 but that wouldn't have been a smart move for numerous reasons.
  • Reply 139 of 193
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,448member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    This can't be stated enough. How long did portable music players exist before Apple released one?

    This argument doesn't work here, since ATV is Apple's entry into the marketplace, and has been around for years, essentially unchanged, as a "hobby", while they have let others slowly eat away their marketshare. Unlike the iPod, iPhone and iPad, the ATV should operate invisibly. Currently it doesn't, and now Amazon has jumped well ahead of where Apple should have been with their product at this point. Perhaps Apple will do something revolutionary, but the reality is, these devices hold no tangible emotional attachment the way the previous iDevices do, and this will ultimately be about leverging infrastructure. Amazon is a good match for iTunes in the marketplace, and hardware is just a matter of fact. Both will have identical features because they have to. Apple's challenge now is putting together a better entertainment experience which has nothing to do with a piece of hardware.

  • Reply 140 of 193
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by Mac_128 View Post

    while they have let others slowly eat away their marketshare.

     

    Could have sworn it was still growing.

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    …the ATV should operate invisibly. Currently it doesn’t…


     

    1. What does this mean?

    2. How is it not the case?

     

    …these devices hold no tangible emotional attachment…


     

    They represent the dream of bankrupting cable and satellite companies by providing only the channels you want at only the price you want to pay. That’s an emotional attachment if I’ve ever heard one.

     

    Apple's challenge now is putting together a better entertainment experience which has nothing to do with a piece of hardware.  


     

    YES! Exactly.

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