You're right... Samsung doesn't release numbers at all.
The numbers we do get are from analysts using their own research, tracking methods and other sources.
I don't see how Samsung could possibly mislead people by fudging the numbers... when it's a bunch of 3rd parties who are gathering this data.
I might not have the highest regard for Samsung... but I'm pretty sure they have nothing to do with the numbers presented by IDC, Strategy Analytics, etc. Those analytics firms are doing their own research.
The analysts might not be able count every single device shipment in the world... but they gotta be pretty close. If they say one company has 15% of tablet shipments compared to another company's 5%... you gotta figure it's at least somewhere in the ballpark.
As for the Nexus... it's another case of a particular device that we love to talk about on tech blogs... but that's not actually a big seller.
Asus hasn't released sales figures for the Nexus 7... and neither has Google. But analysts are saying roughly 4 million for all Asus tablets for 5% of the market.
If the Nexus 7 had sold 20 million in a quarter... someone would have said something about it
Did you read the article? Analysts also created this "white box" segment too.
Did you read the article? Analysts also created this "white box" segment too.
True... although I think it's more of a "black hole"
So where do we go from here? In a couple weeks Apple will give their quarterly results. And shortly after... a dozen analysts will give their results. Will they really mean anything?
There will be an article on AppleInsider telling us how Apple is losing market share in tablets... prompting 600 comments... as usual.
And Apple will live to fight another day as one of the most, if not THE most profitable company on Earth... far from bankruptcy... as usual.
We've been here before.
I tried to look at it from the standpoint of the analysts... but nothing really changes. Apple will be a successful company despite all the doom and gloom that is published about them.
This is why I despise Samsung. I always knew they were liars. They need to get out of the US. Let (honest) Apple handle smartphones... Bunch of lying baboons.
Remember how Microsoft used to lie? About vapourware (Cairo!) and all that shilling they bought from Gartner etc? And how they were found guilty of dishonest practices (but were then hardly punished for it)?
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/178163/apple-vs-samsung-docs-reveal-galaxy-tab-was-a-flop-and-samsung-knew-it/40#post_2514572" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>iNosey</strong> <a href="/t/178163/apple-vs-samsung-docs-reveal-galaxy-tab-was-a-flop-and-samsung-knew-it/40#post_2514572"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />This is why I despise Samsung. I always knew they were liars. They need to get out of the US. Let (honest) Apple handle smartphones... Bunch of lying baboons.</div></div><p>Remember how Microsoft used to lie? About vapourware (Cairo!) and all that shilling they bought from Gartner etc? And how they were found guilty of dishonest practices (but were then hardly punished for it)?</p><p> </p><p>Get out too? </p>
using your methodology then Apple need to get out of the eBook arena as currently, pending appeal, they are guilty of dishonest practice's.
Apart from fan sites the average person doesn't give a monkeys about the behaviour of differing companies unless it taps into their own prejudices and can give legitimacy to them.
Ah, more still of DED tilting at windmills and relying on old/irrelevant news. Such as the vast difference between Android in 2011/2012 and today.
And the bouncing that goes back and forth between:
1. Android is a stolen product that has cost Apple billions
2. Android is a failure that accounts for no sales other than cheap toys and "I have never seen Android tablets in the wild; they are always gathering dust and acting as doorstops in Costco/Best Buy or sold as cheap kids toys at Toys-R-US"
Here is some reality: actual Android tablet sales data based on app installations (which Android users do not buy).
Samsung is indeed a flop at 9%, meaning that their money from Android is basically coming from their (soon to be emulated by Apple) phablets.
Nexus is 8%, a bit below Samsung despite Google not putting anywhere near the marketing push behind their phones and tablets (yet, they will start in 2015) as they do other products like the Chromecast and Chromebooks (which incidentally are selling heavily).
But note that this study has a sample size of 500 million unique Android devices.
... and yet hardly any of them ever show up online.
Wow, one of Apple's damages experts (Veltoro) has been paid $2.34 million so far! This stuff is expensive to litigate.
Another Apple internal doc submitted to, this one showing carriers beginning to limit iPhone sales due to costs.
Nothing new.
Carriers have always pushed Android the iWare for one reason or another: they cost more, they can't control the platform, Apple won't let them load them down with crapware . . .
And Apple is squeezing them hard because it wants more sales of iWare to go through the Apple stores.
The problem that the carriers have is that people want an iPhone, but they settle for an Android. It's not an ideal situation for them.
I'm confused as to where everyone is getting the idea that Samsung misled its investors and analysts. Samsung said that they had shipped, not sold, 2 million tablets in 2011. Analysts then reported that Samsung had shipped 2 million tablets. Internal records show that Samsung only actually sold 1 million tablets in 2011. Where is the deception? I'm pretty sure that analysts know the difference between shipped and sold. Ironically, Apple actually reports any unit directly sold to a customer through their website orshipped to a retailer as being a sold unit. Remember the deal about Apple reporting that it sold 9 million 5s's and 5c's in their first three days partly due to millions of 5c's sitting unsold on shelves but having been shipped to retailers? It's the same thing. Pretty much all tech companies do this, and it's not deception-- "shipped" and "sold" mean different things.
Also, it's seems pretty stupid to note that the Galaxy Tab was a flop in 2011. Every device not named iPad was a flop in 2011. But this isn't 2011. Android holds 62% of the tablet market and 78% of the phone market. A lot of those are sales of lower tier products or are overseas, but at the same time, the flagships devices have created a perfectly viable and, according to your usage, a preferable alternative to the iPhone and iPad. I'm a medical student and ended up giving my wife my iPad mini and iPhone 5 in favor of a Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 simply because its file manager, multitasking, and screen mirroring made juggling my lecture records, PDFs, PPTs, and notes a breeze.
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Did you read the article? Analysts also created this "white box" segment too.
True... although I think it's more of a "black hole"
So where do we go from here? In a couple weeks Apple will give their quarterly results. And shortly after... a dozen analysts will give their results. Will they really mean anything?
There will be an article on AppleInsider telling us how Apple is losing market share in tablets... prompting 600 comments... as usual.
And Apple will live to fight another day as one of the most, if not THE most profitable company on Earth... far from bankruptcy... as usual.
We've been here before.
I tried to look at it from the standpoint of the analysts... but nothing really changes. Apple will be a successful company despite all the doom and gloom that is published about them.
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This is why I despise Samsung. I always knew they were liars. They need to get out of the US. Let (honest) Apple handle smartphones... Bunch of lying baboons.
Remember how Microsoft used to lie? About vapourware (Cairo!) and all that shilling they bought from Gartner etc? And how they were found guilty of dishonest practices (but were then hardly punished for it)?
Get out too?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/31/apple-continues-to-lose-tablet-market-share-but-should-rebound-with-the-air/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/31/apple-continues-to-lose-tablet-market-share-but-should-rebound-with-the-air/
Apart from fan sites the average person doesn't give a monkeys about the behaviour of differing companies unless it taps into their own prejudices and can give legitimacy to them.
Ah, more still of DED tilting at windmills and relying on old/irrelevant news. Such as the vast difference between Android in 2011/2012 and today.
And the bouncing that goes back and forth between:
1. Android is a stolen product that has cost Apple billions
2. Android is a failure that accounts for no sales other than cheap toys and "I have never seen Android tablets in the wild; they are always gathering dust and acting as doorstops in Costco/Best Buy or sold as cheap kids toys at Toys-R-US"
Here is some reality: actual Android tablet sales data based on app installations (which Android users do not buy).
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/kindle-fire-nabs-33-of-android-tablet-market-nexus-7-just-8/
Kindle has 1/3 of the Android market in the U.S. With Fire TV, that will increase. Amazon is probably now the main Android player.
Nook is #2 at 10% of the market.
Samsung is indeed a flop at 9%, meaning that their money from Android is basically coming from their (soon to be emulated by Apple) phablets.
Nexus is 8%, a bit below Samsung despite Google not putting anywhere near the marketing push behind their phones and tablets (yet, they will start in 2015) as they do other products like the Chromecast and Chromebooks (which incidentally are selling heavily).
But note that this study has a sample size of 500 million unique Android devices.
... and yet hardly any of them ever show up online.
Remarkable.
Wow, one of Apple's damages experts (Veltoro) has been paid $2.34 million so far! This stuff is expensive to litigate.
Another Apple internal doc submitted to, this one showing carriers beginning to limit iPhone sales due to costs.
Nothing new.
Carriers have always pushed Android the iWare for one reason or another: they cost more, they can't control the platform, Apple won't let them load them down with crapware . . .
And Apple is squeezing them hard because it wants more sales of iWare to go through the Apple stores.
The problem that the carriers have is that people want an iPhone, but they settle for an Android. It's not an ideal situation for them.
Wait???Who Installed The Mirror in front of YOU ?
I'm confused as to where everyone is getting the idea that Samsung misled its investors and analysts. Samsung said that they had shipped, not sold, 2 million tablets in 2011. Analysts then reported that Samsung had shipped 2 million tablets. Internal records show that Samsung only actually sold 1 million tablets in 2011. Where is the deception? I'm pretty sure that analysts know the difference between shipped and sold. Ironically, Apple actually reports any unit directly sold to a customer through their website or shipped to a retailer as being a sold unit. Remember the deal about Apple reporting that it sold 9 million 5s's and 5c's in their first three days partly due to millions of 5c's sitting unsold on shelves but having been shipped to retailers? It's the same thing. Pretty much all tech companies do this, and it's not deception-- "shipped" and "sold" mean different things.
Also, it's seems pretty stupid to note that the Galaxy Tab was a flop in 2011. Every device not named iPad was a flop in 2011. But this isn't 2011. Android holds 62% of the tablet market and 78% of the phone market. A lot of those are sales of lower tier products or are overseas, but at the same time, the flagships devices have created a perfectly viable and, according to your usage, a preferable alternative to the iPhone and iPad. I'm a medical student and ended up giving my wife my iPad mini and iPhone 5 in favor of a Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 simply because its file manager, multitasking, and screen mirroring made juggling my lecture records, PDFs, PPTs, and notes a breeze.