Samsung calls on Android exec in patent trial to prove certain features were created by Google, not

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  • Reply 21 of 115
    gtr wrote: »
    Saying a feature came from Android is no defence:

    Apple -> Andy Rubin -> Google -> Samsung

    Andy "I guess we're not gonna be shipping that phone now" Rubin.

    FTFY
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  • Reply 22 of 115
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    Because it’s their idea.


     

    Unfortunately for you (& Apple), you can't patent an idea.

    http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2014/02/15/protecting-ideas-can-ideas-be-protected-or-patented/id=48009/

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  • Reply 23 of 115
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,369member
    ryan96 wrote: »
    Ok. Let me say what were all thinking..

    How about you just stick to what you're thinking because no one else here thinks like you. Sorry but I do not and will not purchase anything from a company that does not run I it's own merit. Samsung has proven they are unethical and only do things for the money. This trial is important to me because it underscores the very essentials of capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit.
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  • Reply 24 of 115
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Bryan Tianao View Post

    Unfortunately for you (& Apple), you can't patent an idea.


     

    Of course you can.

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  • Reply 25 of 115

    NEWS FLASH:

    "Samsung throws Google under the bus." Details at 11:00 PM.

     

    I hope Samsung's lawyers call Eric Schmidt, the Apple mole, to testify... I'd buy popcorn to watch that.

     

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  • Reply 26 of 115
    Of course you can.

    I was under the impression that you cannot patent an idea... but you can patent a specific implementation of an idea.
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  • Reply 27 of 115
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    Originally Posted by Ryan96 View Post



    Ok. Let me say what were all thinking.. Apple and samsung are being childish in even starting the patent wars. first off apple didn't even invent the iphone shape ... more brain farts...

     

    The iPhone shape was only a tiny part of the "trade dress" issue. I micturate on the rest of your drivel...

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  • Reply 28 of 115
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member

    So VP of Android Engineering Hiroshi Lockheimer claims they didn't copy things from Apple and that Android / Google actually invented some of Apple's patented items before Apple patented them. Just because he says they did doesn't make it so. Where is the proof / documentation / prototypes etc. to back his claims?

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  • Reply 29 of 115
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

     

    Take-home lessons here:

    (1) It took a huge team of experts at Google to re-invent the Apple-patented technology -- the technology is non-obvious even to experts in the art

    (2) Google invented some of the disputed technology before Apple patented it

    (3) Google did not publicly disclose the technology until after Apple filed for the patent(s)

    (4) Apple invented the disputed technology before Google re-invented it

    (5) Apple wins the patent because it was first-to-invent (as well as first to file for the patent(s))

    (6) As a seller of patented technology, Samsung loses

    (7) Ignorance is not an excuse under the law


     

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    Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

     

    So VP of Android Engineering Hiroshi Lockheimer claims they didn't copy things from Apple and that Android / Google actually invented some of Apple's patented items before Apple patented them. Just because he says they did doesn't make it so. Where is the proof / documentation / prototypes etc. to back his claims?




    Come on now, you can't expect Google to give details on how they spy ! :rolleyes:

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  • Reply 30 of 115
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member

    Since Google isn't a party to this case, I'm not sure that this is even relevant.

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  • Reply 31 of 115
    bradipaobradipao Posts: 145member
    I was under the impression that you cannot patent an idea... but you can patent a specific implementation of an idea.

    You are right. But it's difficult for people to catch the difference.
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  • Reply 32 of 115
    darklitedarklite Posts: 229member
    By the time this case wraps up, I'm fairly sure the legal fees will exceed any punitive charges.
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  • Reply 33 of 115
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DarkLite View Post

     

     

    Well, Apple is asking for $2.2B in damages, and treble damages ($6.6B) are available.

     

    Even the most white shoe law firm in the world doesn't charge that.

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  • Reply 34 of 115
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Of course you can.


    Doh! I suggest best you read up and educate your self if you believe that; you'll continue to look ignorant until you do.. oh, and while your at it, run a spell check on your name.. "skill" has two L's dumb dumb.

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  • Reply 35 of 115
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    One question how are they going to determine damages when the slide to lock patent keeps on being found invalid in the EU for example?
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  • Reply 36 of 115
    rayzrayz Posts: 814member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    They can be sued since they make money indirectly. There's actually a term for it but I don't remember it.

     

    I think it's called 'flogging your customers' details for fun and profit'.

     

    Don't think there's an abbreviation though.

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  • Reply 37 of 115
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
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    Originally Posted by JoshA View Post

     

     



    Come on now, you can't expect Google to give details on how they spy ! :rolleyes:


    If he or Google expects anyone, including the court, to even begin to consider his claims as even remotely credible I can.

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  • Reply 38 of 115
    I have read stories about Samsung faking production and sales figures. They manufacture products for Apple. There are stories about Android being a crib of Apple software. What is going on? The only people profiting from this unholy mess are the lawyers.

    I am happy with my interconnected iMacs, iPads and iPhone, the rest can go hang.
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  • Reply 39 of 115
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member

    Samsung calls on Android exec in patent trial to prove certain features were created by Google, not Apple

     

    All he did was tell a story which really sounded like a fairy tale to me. Terrible title for the article as the article does not mention that he ever even attempted to provide any proof in court to back up what he claims occurred. 

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  • Reply 40 of 115
    chipsychipsy Posts: 287member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post





    I was under the impression that you cannot patent an idea... but you can patent a specific implementation of an idea.



    That is correct, strictly speaking you cannot patent an idea only a specific implementation. But as it stands right now (with how the patent system works at this moment in time) it does seem that patents that are too broad slip trough the nets, and if a patent is too broad then you aren't patenting a specific implementation and are basically patenting an idea.

    If the system worked as it should your statement would absolutely be correct.

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