New photos purport to show Apple's next-gen iPad Air with bonded display

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  • Reply 21 of 65
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    acatomic wrote: »
    Maybe they'll keep the thickness as it is and instead increase the size of the battery (because of A8). Not sure about the weight though...

    I wouldn't mind that but I think they are more happy with 10 hours of battery life than they are with the weight.
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  • Reply 22 of 65
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,710member
    ignomini wrote: »
    Great. The same too narrow bezel, and no doubt they'll slim it down and retain the same battery life, which was so impressive four years ago. Oh, and heaven forbid they do something to reduce glare.

    Apple, for those of us who want something more useable, and are willing to pay for it, please make a device the same size and weight as an iPad 2, with better battery life and bezels wide enough that you're not constantly hitting buttons by mistake, or trying to prop it up in your lap so the bottom of the screen is actually visible.

    I hate this form factor. The touch ID, which should have been on the current model, is nice but not enough to warrant buying one.

    While I would prefer a bigger battery, as my Air is slim enough, you're wrong on the other counts.

    Bonding the display will markedly reduce glare, as a lot of glare, and contrast reduction is because of the other air surfaces between the glass and the screen. All tablets have some glare from surface reflections, because what Apple is doing is all that can be done right now. You need a glossy screen with these high resolutions, and the coating Apple uses, while pretty good, isn't perfect.

    The bezel isn't too narrow. If you use the Air, you would know that. I've got every model other than the 4, and I can tell you that each time Apple reduced the edge width I thought it would be a problem, but it hasn't been. The significantly lower weight iPod the air makes it much easier to hold. The simple fact is that you don't need to wrap your thumb around the edge nearly as much as with a heavier tablet.

    I don't think you even use an iPad from your last statement. If you did, then you would know that the Air is a full third of a pound lighter than the 2, and smaller as well. The battery life on my Air is at least as good as that on my old 2, and slightly better, by an hour, or so. I have no problem propping it up, dispute the thinner bezel.
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  • Reply 23 of 65
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,710member
    ireland wrote: »
    This Ming-Chi Kuo love-fest has got to stop. Predicting iPads are going to get Touch ID this year is like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.

    Here's a red x bedside all his incorrect predictions for 2013:

    And keep in mind most anyone would have gotten right most of his other predictions, so I'll give him barely a pass on those. He also got the timing wrong for several things suggesting Apple wouldn't launch the 2 alternate iPhones on the same day as one another, and the same for the new iPads. Both wrong.

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="41975" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/41975/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 254px">

    Perhaps you should also chart his correct predictions, which is pretty impressive.
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  • Reply 24 of 65
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,710member
    ignomini wrote: »
    Been using the Air since day one, that's why I'm not pleased. "Smart enough to know..." nope. With iOS7 scattering buttons all around the periphery of the device, I get accidental button hits all the time.

    "26 million less iPhones..." really? They couldn't have delayed the iPad by a month or two? It was supposed to be the top of the line halo product. Leaving out a highly anticipated new technology was an unfortunate choice. I find myself using my older iPad 3 more often, specifically to avoid the annoying aspects of the Air and iOS7.

    It's simple. You're wrong. The touch sensor was in short supply, and even delayed the phones supply buildup. While I would have liked to have it on my Air, so what? One more year. Big deal.

    If you hit the buttons all the time, you aren't being careful when you hold it. I almost never hit anything. And usually, when my thumb is on so wthing near the edge of the screen for a few seconds, and I li lift it, nothing happens. It works pretty well. I haven't heard any groundswell of negative opinion about this. I still find it hard to believe you use this thing, as your opinions about it are so far out of line with everyone else's.
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  • Reply 25 of 65
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,710member
    inkling wrote: »
    Why thinner? I don't chop meat with a tablet, and if I take it anywhere, it's in a padded case that's thick enough that the presence or absence of a tiny fraction of an inch matters little.

    I'd far rather have:

    1. Better drop resistance built in, water resistance too.

    2. A longer battery life. It's now good for a day. Make that multi-day.

    The same can be said about the iPhone. Thinner is not better.

    Multi day? You've got to be joking! If life can be increased by a couple of hours, I'd be very pleasantly surprised. I rarely run out of battery, and I use this all day.
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  • Reply 26 of 65

    The lack of a laminated screen and touch ID are the only two features I feel are missing on the current iPad Air. I noticed the "glassy" appearance of the display immediately. Compared to the iPhone's screen which looks like the pixels are floating on the surface of the glass, the iPad Air's pixels appear to be recessed behind the glass. It is a small thing but then all of Apple's products are just a lot of small things done right.

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  • Reply 27 of 65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by melgross View Post





    I don't think you even use an iPad from your last statement. If you did, then you would know that the Air is a full third of a pound lighter than the 2, and smaller as well. The battery life on my Air is at least as good as that on my old 2, and slightly better, by an hour, or so. I have no problem propping it up, dispute the thinner bezel.

    Have used it almost every single day since the first day of availability. That's why I have a problem with it. Weight is not an issue for me. when propped up in the lap, it just doesn't matter. 8-10 hours of battery life is very good, but I would have preferred an iPad2 weight device with more battery life. I have some very long travel days.

     

    I also use routinely use an iPad3 at home, and an iPad2 at work. Only just retired my iPad1 when the Air came out. Used to have two of those, but gave one away some time ago. Been an Apple early adopter since 1984. My father had two Lisas. I started on the Apple II. Use one of almost everything Apple sells on a daily basis.

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  • Reply 28 of 65
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,710member
    ignomini wrote: »
    Blew my credibility because I felt Apple's new halo product got shorted a highly anticipated feature? Interesting.

    You don't have the device, but know I'm being whiney. No doubt you are fat and ugly, even though I have no idea what you look like. Does that sound reasonable?

    I find myself constantly changing seating locations to get away from glare with the iPad. The MBA screen is far better in this regard. They don't have to go with a matte screen, just some form of glare reduction.

    It was hoped for, but not highly anticipated. From early on we learned that the sensor was hard to manufacture, and that we shouldn't expect it on the iPad last year. The Air is so much better than the older models, in my estimations, and going by reviews as well, that it's a sense isn't a big deal. It gives us something to look forward to this year.
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  • Reply 29 of 65
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    I'm definitely getting the new iPad whenever it comes out.

     

    I was hoping for some kind of iPad Pro, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen this year, so I'll just have to settle for the iPad Air 2.

     

    And for whoever is whining about iPads in this thread, you're obviously insane and your opinions are irrelevant, as you are in the extreme minority. Maybe your fingers are too fat, and maybe you should put your fingers on a diet. 

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  • Reply 30 of 65
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    If Apple was smart they would make the iPads repairable over thinner. A pound is plenty light enough. Now how about making it so I don't have to pay $300 to fix a broken speaker in an out of warranty unit. They can do this with the phones, the iPads can't be that hard outside of not having screws.
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  • Reply 31 of 65
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,369member

    I've never had any trouble with the bezels on the iPad Air or mini devices. I just took our company's iPad Air to a tradeshow where is was on and running our app for 12 hours without the screen turning off. I'm really not sure why you'd need more battery life than that. It's a really good mix of battery life and weight in my opinion.

     

    Maybe instead of complaining about this, why not invent a case that gives you the original form factor with wider bezels, and sticks some extra batteries in there too while you're at it? You'll find out in a hurry how many people don't want to live in the past.

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  • Reply 32 of 65
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post



    If you hit the buttons all the time, you aren't being careful when you hold it. I almost never hit anything. And usually, when my thumb is on so wthing near the edge of the screen for a few seconds, and I li lift it, nothing happens. It works pretty well. I haven't heard any groundswell of negative opinion about this. I still find it hard to believe you use this thing, as your opinions about it are so far out of line with everyone else's.

     

    "You aren't being careful when you hold it." That my friend is the very definition of an ergonomic failure. I never had to be careful before, therefore, I consider the slim bezel a fail.

     

    You are aware that folks can have differing opinions, yes? As mentioned elsewhere, I am a big time Apple fan, and use everything from an iPod to the new Mac Pro daily. I have used the Air on a daily basis since it hit the market. That's why I'm not thrilled with it. Other than weighing a little less, it's got nothing on the iPad3, which I also use every day.

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  • Reply 33 of 65
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post





    It was hoped for, but not highly anticipated. From early on we learned that the sensor was hard to manufacture, and that we shouldn't expect it on the iPad last year. The Air is so much better than the older models, in my estimations, and going by reviews as well, that it's a sense isn't a big deal. It gives us something to look forward to this year.

    I appreciate your point, but it is economically foolish to buy new devices every year. That's just throwing away money. Consequently, I'm looking at 2015/16 before having touch ID on an iPad. Not a deal killer, just a bummer.

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  • Reply 34 of 65
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    Originally Posted by Ignomini View Post

     

     

    "You aren't being careful when you hold it." That my friend is the very definition of an ergonomic failure. I never had to be careful before, therefore, I consider the slim bezel a fail.

     

    You are aware that folks can have differing opinions, yes? As mentioned elsewhere, I am a big time Apple fan, and use everything from an iPod to the new Mac Pro daily. I have used the Air on a daily basis since it hit the market. That's why I'm not thrilled with it. Other than weighing a little less, it's got nothing on the iPad3, which I also use every day.


     

    If you never had to be careful before, but now you have to be careful, that is a fact, not an opinion.

     

    I'm curious, do you know anyone else that has the same experience as you? So far, no other posters have expressed having the same issue with the thin bezels. Anyone else out there have this problem?

     

    PS: What is it that you do that you use both an iPad Air and an iPad 3 everyday? If you are so tortured by the Air, why not just stick with the 3 (and sell your Air)?

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  • Reply 35 of 65

    I don't see why Apple keeps trying to improve on the iPad.  All consumers really want are $200 plastic Android tablets.  It's already been shown that Apple's iPad is losing market share because consumers refuse to pay for overpriced tablets.  Wall Street has predicted that Apple is going to have a horrible quarter concerning iPad sales.  Supposedly, Apple's iPad business is going down the tubes because every company except Apple sells tablets for half the price of an iPad and are nearly as good if not better hardware-wise.  Apple doesn't seem to realize those good old days of being able to put an Apple logo on a product and selling it for double the price are over.  Even Intel intends to flood the market with low-cost mobile processors for Android tablets with the sole purpose of putting Apple out of business.  No one appreciates how Apple has changed the world, but low prices are everything.

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  • Reply 36 of 65
    inklinginkling Posts: 784member
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    Multi day? You've got to be joking! If life can be increased by a couple of hours, I'd be very pleasantly surprised. I rarely run out of battery, and I use this all day.


     

    As I see it, Apple's still in the 'little David confronting the Goliath' mode you see in its 1984 Superbowl ad. It owns huge market shares, but forces its customers into the narrowest of product options. For instance, there are just two models of iPhones and two of iPads. Imagine a major auto maker that offered a Big Car and a Little Car.

     

    And no, I don't want Apple to adopt the confusing array of constantly changing products that many companies have. I'd just like to see their core products come with more of the really important options. Why isn't there an iPhone 5s-Sport that is ruggedized for those who spend of a lot time outdoors? Why isn't there a MacBook Air-EL (for extended life) for those who can't afford to have the battery die on the road or during an important presentation?

     

    Neither would require a costly design effort. The sport version of the iPhone would build a rugged MilSpec case around the existing iPhone. The MBA-EL version would simply be a bit thicker to accommodate a larger battery.  Apple could even charge a price premium for those features. And notice the host of aftermarket products to fill those needs? The market there is certainly large.

     

    I might note that I am glad that Apple is shifting its marketing emphasis from 'young adults at play' to 'people with serious work to do.' That's good. Now they need to create a product line that fits their current size.

     

    --Michael W. Perry, Inkling Books, Auburn, AL

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  • Reply 37 of 65
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Chemically bonding the cover glass to the LCD results in a thinner overall assembly as well as enhanced viewing angles.

     

    As well as greater strength for the same or less weight.  Bonding could allow both cover and LCD to be thinner yet stronger overall.

    The disadvantage might be that it could be harder to separate the glass component(s) for recycling. (?)

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  • Reply 38 of 65
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    Originally Posted by RoundaboutNow View Post

     

     

    If you never had to be careful before, but now you have to be careful, that is a fact, not an opinion.

     

    I'm curious, do you know anyone else that has the same experience as you? So far, no other posters have expressed having the same issue with the thin bezels. Anyone else out there have this problem?

     

    PS: What is it that you do that you use both an iPad Air and an iPad 3 everyday? If you are so tortured by the Air, why not just stick with the 3 (and sell your Air)?


     

    I'm an Apple junkie. Currently, the Air lives on my nightstand, and gets used to check the weather/headlines when I wake up. The 3 lives wherever around the house. Like a lot of folks, I've fallen into the habit of reading on the iPad in front of the TV. I have a 2011 mini in the kitchen, serving music and recipes, a 2012 Mini in the living room serving movies and web video (iTunes and Airfoil always clash, so I'm using two entertainment servers where one would otherwise be adequate), a Mac Pro in the home office for photo/movie editing, and an iMac in each of my two offices at work. I have an iPhone5 for telephony, and my previous iPhone4, which is used as a remote control in the living room. I'm actually interested in the the bezel thing myself. For me it has been a significant distraction, but clearly I'm in a small minority on that one.

     

    Obviously, I'm in a very small minority on the bezel thing. Guess it's just me.

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  • Reply 39 of 65
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member

    It would be great to finally have laminated displays on iPad, but I think we've heard this wives tale before each of the last iPad updates.

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  • Reply 40 of 65
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ignomini View Post

     

     

    I'm an Apple junkie. Currently, the Air lives on my nightstand, and gets used to check the weather/headlines when I wake up. The 3 lives wherever around the house. Like a lot of folks, I've fallen into the habit of reading on the iPad in front of the TV. I have a 2011 mini in the kitchen, serving music and recipes, a 2012 Mini in the living room serving movies and web video (iTunes and Airfoil always clash, so I'm using two entertainment servers where one would otherwise be adequate), a Mac Pro in the home office for photo/movie editing, and an iMac in each of my two offices at work. I have an iPhone5 for telephony, and my previous iPhone4, which is used as a remote control in the living room. I'm actually interested in the the bezel thing myself. For me it has been a significant distraction, but clearly I'm in a small minority on that one.

     

    Obviously, I'm in a very small minority on the bezel thing. Guess it's just me.


    That's some setup. Sounds like my house. Except I'm much happier having AppleTV than Mac mini as media center. My Mac mini is in my office for work, and as long as I keep iTunes running, AppleTV never fails me.

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