I hope others are correct in this technical win for Apple will lead to bigger and easier wins for their IP going forward, although I am certainly not capable to seeing that as a distinct likelihood at this point.
Thanks, Solip. I'm letting off steam; and yes, GG and island h aren't nearly as bad. I've even given them thumbs up on occasion! This Bryan seems to have history, judging from posts above, but he's new to me.
Its kind of like politics. Its the seasoned warriors that have learned to keep their friends close and their enemies closer. Its the hope that if you don't push things too far then you have a chance to convince people in the middle to your side if you at least attempt to look reasonable. Some trolls do a better job than others.
but make no mistake. The people that have been here for a while know where people really stand and why they are here.
Jury can not give Apple total victory for slide to unlock patent. Android phones will become clumsy to use without it.
When was the last time you used an Android device?? haha. I've actually NEVER seen slide to unlock on Android (with that wording and icon sliding across) - perhaps the Galaxy S had it 6 years ago.
Jury can not give Apple total victory for slide to unlock patent. Android phones will become clumsy to use without it.
When was the last time you used an Android device?? haha. I've actually NEVER seen slide to unlock on Android (with that wording and icon sliding across) - perhaps the Galaxy S had it 6 years ago.
that seems like an odd questions to ask an Apple fan site, don't you think? If you say its 6 years ago, I doubt many here will know enough (or care) to challenge your estimate.
Thanks, Solip. I'm letting off steam; and yes, GG and island h aren't nearly as bad. I've even given them thumbs up on occasion! This Bryan seems to have history, judging from posts above, but he's new to me.
Great thing with AI is the moderation and ensuing lack of mindless trolls that permeate swathes of the web, but I guess with a hot story, it can take a while to kick in.
I don't really understand the general objections to GG. I think he just likes to debate things, and he clearly reads the links that he posts. Typically people who are trying to fit a preconceived agenda just google for something that fits it and mindlessly paste whatever comes up.
If you've followed Apples awarded IP for the past 18 months regarding embedded products, Samsung has a huge chasm to cross and catch up. I expect Apple to be slapping lawsuit after lawsuit with several of them, with Samsung whining that they should all be FRAND.
If you've followed Apples awarded IP for the past 18 months regarding embedded products, Samsung has a huge chasm to cross and catch up. I expect Apple to be slapping lawsuit after lawsuit with several of them, with Samsung whining that they should all be FRAND.
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Unfortunately, this means more lawsuits from Apple and no settlement from Samsung out of court.
I don't disagree with most of your comment about this poster but I can't get behind comparing him to @Gatorguy or @island hermit. I don't seem to agree with them much but in no way would I consider them trolls. Each creates detailed arguments that support their positions.
I have to assume Bryan will get banned shortly. Where are @Marvin or @melgross?
Anyway, just posting this because when he's banned he won't be able to say how his free speech is being violated...
Google Apologist? hahahahahahahaha
That's really really funny.
I've got Mr. Frost blocked... and for good reason apparently.
If you've followed Apples awarded IP for the past 18 months regarding embedded products, Samsung has a huge chasm to cross and catch up. I expect Apple to be slapping lawsuit after lawsuit with several of them, with Samsung whining that they should all be FRAND.
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
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I don't really understand the general objections to GG.
very interesting assertion.
I think he just likes to debate things,
BINGO
and he clearly reads the links that he posts.
When I go and read what he posts I find that things are taken often taken out of context.
Typically people who are trying to fit a preconceived agenda just google for something that fits it and
perhaps
mindlessly paste whatever comes up.
in GG's case, its purposely pasted things out of context. So in his defense, it not mindless pasting. Its quite calculated in the hope people won't actually read what he posts to put things into full context.
I don't disagree with most of your comment about this poster but I can't get behind comparing him to @Gatorguy or @island hermit. I don't seem to agree with them much but in no way would I consider them trolls. Each creates detailed arguments that support their positions.
No, they are trolls (esp GG). If we are to use their logic, than guilt is yes/no, black/white. Therefore it doesn't matter if a poster is saying nothing but "Apple sucks balls" or is constructing arguments to explain why Apple isn't perfect.
There are worse trolls than the idiots who post nothing but garbage for a day or two until they get banned. They are the ones who are trolling, but are very careful not to say anything obnoxious or insult people and try to explain their position with details or links. The problem is their arguments are full of holes and are really only half-truths. But not because they "missed" something or made a "mistake" - it's 100% intentional. Their goal is to obscure the issues (troll), not to have any reasonable discussion.
For example, KDarling. How many times did I ask him to back up claims he made (such as being a touchscreen expert for "decades", a software engineer, or working for a large corporation that's deploying Android tablets by the thousands)? He finally left. Too bad some others can't take the hint.
I'm actually quite surprised you don't see this. It's happened so many times I've lost track.
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
The post doesn't appear to be quoting properly, but it's close in the thread anyway. You may be right about context. I still think he just likes to debate things, and we don't seem to be in disagreement there. Many of the links are fun to read anyway.
I don't disagree with most of your comment about this poster but I can't get behind comparing him to @Gatorguy or @island hermit. I don't seem to agree with them much but in no way would I consider them trolls. Each creates detailed arguments that support their positions.
No, they are trolls (esp GG). If we are to use their logic, than guilt is yes/no, black/white. Therefore it doesn't matter if a poster is saying nothing but "Apple sucks balls" or is constructing arguments to explain why Apple isn't perfect.
There are worse trolls than the idiots who post nothing but garbage for a day or two until they get banned. They are the ones who are trolling, but are very careful not to say anything obnoxious or insult people and try to explain their position with details or links. The problem is their arguments are full of holes and are really only half-truths. But not because they "missed" something or made a "mistake" - it's 100% intentional. Their goal is to obscure the issues (troll), not to have any reasonable discussion.
For example, KDarling. How many times did I ask him to back up claims he made (such as being a touchscreen expert for "decades", a software engineer, or working for a large corporation that's deploying Android tablets by the thousands)? He finally left. Too bad some others can't take the hint.
I'm actually quite surprised you don't see this. It's happened so many times I've lost track.
I am confident SolipsismX knows all this. Again, it the guy who appears moderate that hopes to win over people to his side. Its obvious to me we have people on both sides of the argument that use this tactic day in and day out. Its just another day in politics.
When I go and read what he posts I find that things are taken often taken out of context.
in GG's case, its purposely pasted things out of context. . Its quite calculated in the hope people won't actually read what he posts to put things into full context.
Some examples of the misleading "out-of-context" calculated comments would make your claim so much more believable. You should link a few you read.
If I didn't want people reading 'em I wouldn't point you to them to read for yourself. I make the assumption smart folks here might question my comments when they don't fit with common beliefs which is why I add resource links. You're a smart guy. So is Eric. Of course you should be reading them if you have doubts. That's why they are there.
Why are you arguing? He has good verifiable data. It clearly was nowhere near $120mil. Case closed.
He posted a link for a different case where it was estimated up to $500MM with their $10-20MM guess noted as being conservative. But all that is beside the point as I'm talking about all of the legal fees for all parties for all the IP that infringed upon and Apple has tried to protect from the start. We're talking about nearly a decade since this all began. This wasn't the first and nor will it be the last, but I am only concerned about what all the law firms have taken up to this point for Apple's game changing IP.
When I go and read what he posts I find that things are taken often taken out of context.
in GG's case, its purposely pasted things out of context. . Its quite calculated in the hope people won't actually read what he posts to put things into full context.
Some examples of the misleading "out-of-context" calculated comments would make your claim so much more believable. You should link a few you read.
remember you link about the Android malware only amounting to 0.0001% of downloads.
recall we concluded that 0.0001% figure in the article was actually the amount of people who choose to do nothing after being warned by Google that they detected malware on their devices. Do you agree that your claim that only 0.0001% of Android downloads have malware was purposely taken out of context? Or do we need to review that thread and article again?
either you misread it, or our purposely took things out of context. Your choice. But I give you the benefit of that doubt that you actually read it, are intelligent and know exactly what you are doing.
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Thanks, Solip. I'm letting off steam; and yes, GG and island h aren't nearly as bad. I've even given them thumbs up on occasion! This Bryan seems to have history, judging from posts above, but he's new to me.
Its kind of like politics. Its the seasoned warriors that have learned to keep their friends close and their enemies closer. Its the hope that if you don't push things too far then you have a chance to convince people in the middle to your side if you at least attempt to look reasonable. Some trolls do a better job than others.
but make no mistake. The people that have been here for a while know where people really stand and why they are here.
Jury can not give Apple total victory for slide to unlock patent. Android phones will become clumsy to use without it.
When was the last time you used an Android device?? haha. I've actually NEVER seen slide to unlock on Android (with that wording and icon sliding across) - perhaps the Galaxy S had it 6 years ago.
$1.4 billion SWAG.
Jury can not give Apple total victory for slide to unlock patent. Android phones will become clumsy to use without it.
When was the last time you used an Android device?? haha. I've actually NEVER seen slide to unlock on Android (with that wording and icon sliding across) - perhaps the Galaxy S had it 6 years ago.
that seems like an odd questions to ask an Apple fan site, don't you think? If you say its 6 years ago, I doubt many here will know enough (or care) to challenge your estimate.
Thanks, Solip. I'm letting off steam; and yes, GG and island h aren't nearly as bad. I've even given them thumbs up on occasion! This Bryan seems to have history, judging from posts above, but he's new to me.
Great thing with AI is the moderation and ensuing lack of mindless trolls that permeate swathes of the web, but I guess with a hot story, it can take a while to kick in.
I don't really understand the general objections to GG. I think he just likes to debate things, and he clearly reads the links that he posts. Typically people who are trying to fit a preconceived agenda just google for something that fits it and mindlessly paste whatever comes up.
If you've followed Apples awarded IP for the past 18 months regarding embedded products, Samsung has a huge chasm to cross and catch up. I expect Apple to be slapping lawsuit after lawsuit with several of them, with Samsung whining that they should all be FRAND.
If you've followed Apples awarded IP for the past 18 months regarding embedded products, Samsung has a huge chasm to cross and catch up. I expect Apple to be slapping lawsuit after lawsuit with several of them, with Samsung whining that they should all be FRAND.
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Unfortunately, this means more lawsuits from Apple and no settlement from Samsung out of court.
I don't disagree with most of your comment about this poster but I can't get behind comparing him to @Gatorguy or @island hermit. I don't seem to agree with them much but in no way would I consider them trolls. Each creates detailed arguments that support their positions.
I have to assume Bryan will get banned shortly. Where are @Marvin or @melgross?
Anyway, just posting this because when he's banned he won't be able to say how his free speech is being violated...
Google Apologist? hahahahahahahaha
That's really really funny.
I've got Mr. Frost blocked... and for good reason apparently.
If you've followed Apples awarded IP for the past 18 months regarding embedded products, Samsung has a huge chasm to cross and catch up. I expect Apple to be slapping lawsuit after lawsuit with several of them, with Samsung whining that they should all be FRAND.
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
I don't really understand the general objections to GG.
very interesting assertion.
I think he just likes to debate things,
BINGO
and he clearly reads the links that he posts.
When I go and read what he posts I find that things are taken often taken out of context.
Typically people who are trying to fit a preconceived agenda just google for something that fits it and
perhaps
mindlessly paste whatever comes up.
in GG's case, its purposely pasted things out of context. So in his defense, it not mindless pasting. Its quite calculated in the hope people won't actually read what he posts to put things into full context.
I've got Mr. Frost blocked... and for good reason apparently.
not exactly classy to gloat. better to keep it quiet and take the high road, don't you think?
I don't disagree with most of your comment about this poster but I can't get behind comparing him to @Gatorguy or @island hermit. I don't seem to agree with them much but in no way would I consider them trolls. Each creates detailed arguments that support their positions.
No, they are trolls (esp GG). If we are to use their logic, than guilt is yes/no, black/white. Therefore it doesn't matter if a poster is saying nothing but "Apple sucks balls" or is constructing arguments to explain why Apple isn't perfect.
There are worse trolls than the idiots who post nothing but garbage for a day or two until they get banned. They are the ones who are trolling, but are very careful not to say anything obnoxious or insult people and try to explain their position with details or links. The problem is their arguments are full of holes and are really only half-truths. But not because they "missed" something or made a "mistake" - it's 100% intentional. Their goal is to obscure the issues (troll), not to have any reasonable discussion.
For example, KDarling. How many times did I ask him to back up claims he made (such as being a touchscreen expert for "decades", a software engineer, or working for a large corporation that's deploying Android tablets by the thousands)? He finally left. Too bad some others can't take the hint.
I'm actually quite surprised you don't see this. It's happened so many times I've lost track.
I can definitely get behind you on KDarling.
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
The post doesn't appear to be quoting properly, but it's close in the thread anyway. You may be right about context. I still think he just likes to debate things, and we don't seem to be in disagreement there. Many of the links are fun to read anyway.
I don't disagree with most of your comment about this poster but I can't get behind comparing him to @Gatorguy or @island hermit. I don't seem to agree with them much but in no way would I consider them trolls. Each creates detailed arguments that support their positions.
No, they are trolls (esp GG). If we are to use their logic, than guilt is yes/no, black/white. Therefore it doesn't matter if a poster is saying nothing but "Apple sucks balls" or is constructing arguments to explain why Apple isn't perfect.
There are worse trolls than the idiots who post nothing but garbage for a day or two until they get banned. They are the ones who are trolling, but are very careful not to say anything obnoxious or insult people and try to explain their position with details or links. The problem is their arguments are full of holes and are really only half-truths. But not because they "missed" something or made a "mistake" - it's 100% intentional. Their goal is to obscure the issues (troll), not to have any reasonable discussion.
For example, KDarling. How many times did I ask him to back up claims he made (such as being a touchscreen expert for "decades", a software engineer, or working for a large corporation that's deploying Android tablets by the thousands)? He finally left. Too bad some others can't take the hint.
I'm actually quite surprised you don't see this. It's happened so many times I've lost track.
I am confident SolipsismX knows all this. Again, it the guy who appears moderate that hopes to win over people to his side. Its obvious to me we have people on both sides of the argument that use this tactic day in and day out. Its just another day in politics.
Why are you arguing? He has decent verifiable data. It clearly was nowhere near $120mil. Case closed.
If I didn't want people reading 'em I wouldn't point you to them to read for yourself. I make the assumption smart folks here might question my comments when they don't fit with common beliefs which is why I add resource links. You're a smart guy. So is Eric. Of course you should be reading them if you have doubts. That's why they are there.
He posted a link for a different case where it was estimated up to $500MM with their $10-20MM guess noted as being conservative. But all that is beside the point as I'm talking about all of the legal fees for all parties for all the IP that infringed upon and Apple has tried to protect from the start. We're talking about nearly a decade since this all began. This wasn't the first and nor will it be the last, but I am only concerned about what all the law firms have taken up to this point for Apple's game changing IP.
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When I go and read what he posts I find that things are taken often taken out of context.
in GG's case, its purposely pasted things out of context. . Its quite calculated in the hope people won't actually read what he posts to put things into full context.
Some examples of the misleading "out-of-context" calculated comments would make your claim so much more believable. You should link a few you read.
remember you link about the Android malware only amounting to 0.0001% of downloads.
recall we concluded that 0.0001% figure in the article was actually the amount of people who choose to do nothing after being warned by Google that they detected malware on their devices. Do you agree that your claim that only 0.0001% of Android downloads have malware was purposely taken out of context? Or do we need to review that thread and article again?
either you misread it, or our purposely took things out of context. Your choice. But I give you the benefit of that doubt that you actually read it, are intelligent and know exactly what you are doing.
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SJ: "And boy have we patented it"
Google: "SJ is so naive. He actually thinks some patents are going to prevent us from copying it. What a dufuss."