Somehow, I am not comfortable to include iPad/tablets into PC world. They are altogether different.
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Originally Posted by chocolim
If you combine tablets and PC, but you can't.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE
Yes!! the old iPads are not PCs debate. It used to be that you need a PC to use an iPad so they are not PC. Then it was because you cannot develop for the iPad on the iPad. Now, since both of these issues are gone we need new reasons.. suggestions?!
DigitalClips
Not picking on you as many will say the same thing but .... Oh no, not that old saw again! An iPad Air would blow a 1990 IBM PC out of the water using any metric, OK? ... So when exactly do you draw the historical line on when a PC is a PC? Are PCs only PCs after they pass the point in time when they are more powerful than an iPad? That might be a fascinating calculation as I bet it would rule out over 50% (or more) of all PCs in the famous mantra "PCs have 97% of the market".
Give me an logic answer to this and agree with you
An Example my 10 inch laptop cannot create apps for the iPad but i'm sure was included on that list
In the discussion you allude to then yes you would group cars and horse and cart contraptions as transportation. In this case the word is PC used in this context as a personal computer.
If PC = Personal Computer what on earth is an iPad if not a personal computer?
Now, if Scamsung tries to include fridges I'd have a problem with that
What I totally meant was... iPad still has to grow and usecases are yet to come out. Its not yet that matured. For me, still, a Mac/PC is more useful. iPad is more of content consumption right now. There are better content creation apps there for iPad ... bus stilll they are yet to mature. Its not a Mac/PC yet.
As a matter of fact, I'd claim that an iPad is more of a PC, than a traditional PC is. An iPad is the ultimate PC. PC stands for personal computer of course, and what's more personal than having your own little iPad to carry out your computing needs on? And a touch interface is far more personal and intuitive than using last century's input methods (mouse etc.)
What I totally meant was... iPad still has to grow and usecases are yet to come out. Its not yet that matured. For me, still, a Mac/PC is more useful. iPad is more of content consumption right now. There are better content creation apps there for iPad ... bus stilll they are yet to mature. Its not a Mac/PC yet.
Good for apple - they are number one in the world! So many people have said they're dumb, doing everything wrong, terrible business model, going down in flames.. This seems like it was impossible to happen, but somehow here they are. It's simply because they under promise and over deliver. Making and keeping customers is the old fashioned way to make a great company.
Not picking on you as many will say the same thing but .... Oh no, not that old saw again! An iPad Air would blow a 1990 IBM PC out of the water using any metric, OK? ... So when exactly do you draw the historical line on when a PC is a PC? Are PCs only PCs after they pass the point in time when they are more powerful than an iPad? That might be a fascinating calculation as I bet it would rule out over 50% (or more) of all PCs in the famous mantra "PCs have 97% of the market".
Give me an logic answer to this and agree with you
An Example my 10 inch laptop cannot create apps for the iPad but i'm sure was included on that list
It think a good historical line will be, 2 generation of consumer procesor.
Its not the same a Core Solo Mac Mini than an i7 Mac Mini.
I cant see an iPad as a PC maybe in the future. Because today is still a companion device for a PC, more near a toy to a PC. But yes the PC was one a toy.
I am sure that one day we will see a PC like a toy and work with an iPad. But not today
Somehow, I am not comfortable to include iPad/tablets into PC world. They are altogether different.
True. Are they PCs or post-PCs, after all?
If they are PCs, then post-PC theory goes down the toilet. I don't mind this definition (considering tablet as a PC) - after all, PCs are evolving all the time, from old-school desktops, to towers, to SFFs, to AIOs, to laptops... to tablets. And with Office, Lync, Skype... and other traditionally-PC applications being available on tablets, they are getting at least as functional PCs as netbooks were, back in the days.
However, if we are in post-PC era, then tablets are not PCs... they are standard-bearers of that post-PC era, right?
Have a big screen to use Photoshop or to code with Dreamweaver or XCode?
Weird.. My iPad mirrors on my Apple TV connected TV/monitor without an issue. Oh.. and I can use my iPad as a second screen for my Macbook if I want to.
There are equivalent apps available in the app store. They may not be as feature rich but they do the functions. There is no standard PC definition that says a PC must run x,y, and z software to be a PC.
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Attach to a big storage to use 400gb files.
Only 400GB?! I have complete access to my 2TB NAS from my iPad locally and over the internet.
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See a webpage while changing the CSS style without have to put one app to sleep and wake another
Again, check the app store. There many apps that let you edit webpages and view them within the app itself.
Next..
PS. I am not saying the iPad should or should not be considered a PC. My point is those who say it is not a PC need to come up with better arguments. All the arguments I hear are software related and only used by very small percentage of people.
It think a good historical line will be, 2 generation of consumer procesor.
Its not the same a Core Solo Mac Mini than an i7 Mac Mini.
I cant see an iPad as a PC maybe in the future. Because today is still a companion device for a PC, more near a toy to a PC. But yes the PC was one a toy.
I am sure that one day we will see a PC like a toy and work with an iPad. But not today
And not to mention - the average selling price of iPads most likely beats any desktop or laptop average selling price. I like seeing this metric, combining tablets and laptops and desktops. It seems like you can combine any products you want in a survey, unless apple comes out ahead. Then it gets drowned out by the android and windows fans. But, when you combine the three, you get a good picture of the dent apple is really making in the computer world. Crazy that this is the same company that looked like it was beat 10 years ago.
Funny. An iPad is not the same as a PC And vice versa. You can't do a lot of things on the iPad as you would with the PC. I own both, always on the PC. Hardly even touched the iPad. It's just sitting there collecting dust.
At work they are going to get rid of most PC's and we are moving to tablets, the process has begun.
Goodbye several thousand XP based PC's your demise can't come fast enough.
1) I remember when people said notebooks weren't real "PCs" because they lacked HW features that any all real "PCs" should have.
2) There seems to be this weird disconnect between how the device is actually utilized and this need to only include devices that can install an OS type that existed in the 90's. Since when was "PC" ever defined as requiring a mouse or a windowed OS? That surely wasn't the case when the term "PC" was first coined.
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Have you been living under a rock from 2009?
No and you?
And iPad i dont think it can be iqual as a PC. Until it can do the same things is more a companion to a pc than a pc
No and you?
And iPad i dont think it can be iqual as a PC. Until it can do the same things is more a companion to a pc than a pc
and what are these things?
Somehow, I am not comfortable to include iPad/tablets into PC world. They are altogether different.
If you combine tablets and PC, but you can't.
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Yes!! the old iPads are not PCs debate. It used to be that you need a PC to use an iPad so they are not PC. Then it was because you cannot develop for the iPad on the iPad. Now, since both of these issues are gone we need new reasons.. suggestions?!
DigitalClips
Not picking on you as many will say the same thing but .... Oh no, not that old saw again! An iPad Air would blow a 1990 IBM PC out of the water using any metric, OK? ... So when exactly do you draw the historical line on when a PC is a PC? Are PCs only PCs after they pass the point in time when they are more powerful than an iPad? That might be a fascinating calculation as I bet it would rule out over 50% (or more) of all PCs in the famous mantra "PCs have 97% of the market".
Give me an logic answer to this and agree with you
An Example my 10 inch laptop cannot create apps for the iPad but i'm sure was included on that list
You made the case thank you
In the discussion you allude to then yes you would group cars and horse and cart contraptions as transportation. In this case the word is PC used in this context as a personal computer.
If PC = Personal Computer what on earth is an iPad if not a personal computer?
Now, if Scamsung tries to include fridges I'd have a problem with that
What I totally meant was... iPad still has to grow and usecases are yet to come out. Its not yet that matured. For me, still, a Mac/PC is more useful. iPad is more of content consumption right now. There are better content creation apps there for iPad ... bus stilll they are yet to mature. Its not a Mac/PC yet.
and what are these things?
Have a big screen to use Photoshop or to code with Dreamweaver or XCode?
Attach to a big storage to use 400gb files.
See a webpage while changing the CSS style without have to put one app to sleep and wake another
I'm totally comfortable with it.
As a matter of fact, I'd claim that an iPad is more of a PC, than a traditional PC is. An iPad is the ultimate PC. PC stands for personal computer of course, and what's more personal than having your own little iPad to carry out your computing needs on? And a touch interface is far more personal and intuitive than using last century's input methods (mouse etc.)
What I totally meant was... iPad still has to grow and usecases are yet to come out. Its not yet that matured. For me, still, a Mac/PC is more useful. iPad is more of content consumption right now. There are better content creation apps there for iPad ... bus stilll they are yet to mature. Its not a Mac/PC yet.
DigitalClips
Not picking on you as many will say the same thing but .... Oh no, not that old saw again! An iPad Air would blow a 1990 IBM PC out of the water using any metric, OK? ... So when exactly do you draw the historical line on when a PC is a PC? Are PCs only PCs after they pass the point in time when they are more powerful than an iPad? That might be a fascinating calculation as I bet it would rule out over 50% (or more) of all PCs in the famous mantra "PCs have 97% of the market".
Give me an logic answer to this and agree with you
An Example my 10 inch laptop cannot create apps for the iPad but i'm sure was included on that list
It think a good historical line will be, 2 generation of consumer procesor.
Its not the same a Core Solo Mac Mini than an i7 Mac Mini.
I cant see an iPad as a PC maybe in the future. Because today is still a companion device for a PC, more near a toy to a PC. But yes the PC was one a toy.
I am sure that one day we will see a PC like a toy and work with an iPad. But not today
No and you?
And iPad i dont think it can be iqual as a PC. Until it can do the same things is more a companion to a pc than a pc
I do agree with you but you have to agree with me too
Lenovo said they sold 15000000 PC's wich probably only 30% from those were actually pc's, and the rest was under iPad fuctionalities
True. Are they PCs or post-PCs, after all?
If they are PCs, then post-PC theory goes down the toilet. I don't mind this definition (considering tablet as a PC) - after all, PCs are evolving all the time, from old-school desktops, to towers, to SFFs, to AIOs, to laptops... to tablets. And with Office, Lync, Skype... and other traditionally-PC applications being available on tablets, they are getting at least as functional PCs as netbooks were, back in the days.
However, if we are in post-PC era, then tablets are not PCs... they are standard-bearers of that post-PC era, right?
So... what will it be?
I do agree with you but you have to agree with me too
Lenovo said they sold 15000000 PC's wich probably only 30% from those were actually pc's, and the rest was under iPad fuctionalities
Like Netbooks right? Yes I agree with you.
If you combine tablets and PC, but you can't.
If you combine Phones, Smarphones and notebooks, Nokia is the largest PC seller
Most people consider a iPad a laptop surrogate, but no one in their right mind considers a dumb phone to be a PC. I mean no one … ever.
Have a big screen to use Photoshop or to code with Dreamweaver or XCode?
Weird.. My iPad mirrors on my Apple TV connected TV/monitor without an issue. Oh.. and I can use my iPad as a second screen for my Macbook if I want to.
There are equivalent apps available in the app store. They may not be as feature rich but they do the functions. There is no standard PC definition that says a PC must run x,y, and z software to be a PC.
Attach to a big storage to use 400gb files.
Only 400GB?! I have complete access to my 2TB NAS from my iPad locally and over the internet.
Again, check the app store. There many apps that let you edit webpages and view them within the app itself.
Next..
PS. I am not saying the iPad should or should not be considered a PC. My point is those who say it is not a PC need to come up with better arguments. All the arguments I hear are software related and only used by very small percentage of people.
It think a good historical line will be, 2 generation of consumer procesor.
Its not the same a Core Solo Mac Mini than an i7 Mac Mini.
I cant see an iPad as a PC maybe in the future. Because today is still a companion device for a PC, more near a toy to a PC. But yes the PC was one a toy.
I am sure that one day we will see a PC like a toy and work with an iPad. But not today
Agreed and i think iOS 8 will change that
Somehow, I am not comfortable to include iPad/tablets into PC world. They are altogether different.
At work they are going to get rid of most PC's and we are moving to tablets, the process has begun.
Goodbye several thousand XP based PC's your demise can't come fast enough.
No and you?
And iPad i dont think it can be iqual as a PC. Until it can do the same things is more a companion to a pc than a pc
Apple is about to overtake Nokia in total phones sold, Samsung overtook them a few years ago.
Back in the days when Symbian ruled the smartphone segment Nokia was number one.
Those days are long gone.
1) I remember when people said notebooks weren't real "PCs" because they lacked HW features that any all real "PCs" should have.
2) There seems to be this weird disconnect between how the device is actually utilized and this need to only include devices that can install an OS type that existed in the 90's. Since when was "PC" ever defined as requiring a mouse or a windowed OS? That surely wasn't the case when the term "PC" was first coined.