That isn't how it is. When Apple is early or late it's too late, and when MS is early or late no one cares.
Apple is often special but only because they have a tendency to do it right the first time. Cut/Copy/Paste in iOS v Android is a prime example of this. Apple made it universal and complete from day one, not the sloppy, inconsistent "me first" attempt that Google released. Apple was later but they were best.
Hmm, good point. Guess I'm just a bit bitter that people say this every time, even when the implementation that came first was already good.
Much later than Samsung. I guess when Tim Cook said that there were many new products coming he meant the "iPen".
We'll be able to do what the Note does and what the Surface does.
They need Scott Forestall to bring back software innovation.
LMAO. What software innovation were we getting from Forstall? None! Both Rene Ritchie and John Gruber have said that Craig Federighi is much more of an engineer/geek whereas Forstall was more interested in UI design. That's probably why we got stuff like control center and airdrop under Federighi and not Forstall. I think there are cases where split window will be really useful. Especially if you have the ability to drag and drop between apps. Or maybe you're in Pages or typing an email and would like to reference something you just looked up on Google. Having side by side apps would be much more beneficial than having to toggle between two apps.
Just curious...what software innovation do you think iOS needs?
A while back I said iOS needs this for productivity by either copy from Windows Tablet or make it's own implementation ... You shit all over me, now it's almost here. Way to go Apple!
Safari refreshes don't bother me because, you know, web pages were always backed up in this new cloud thing called the World Wide Web. But hey, if you like stale web pages, complain away!
On the go it is a Pita. I would like some kind of "offline reading" option.
The tab refreshes in Safari drive me nuts. And they happen ALL THE TIME.
I still get entire CRASHES of Safari, even in 7.1.1. There's a particular website, Weather Underground, that allows me to reproduce the crash 100% reliably. Hey Apple; stop adding features and fix the existing software!
Perish the thought that Weather Underground's website might be to blame.
Will this update be compatible with the iPad 3? I'm worried that Apple will start moving support away from its non-Air models soon like it did with the first generation iPad, after the iPad 2-4 were so far superior to its first model, it couldn't keep up. As the owner of a iPad 3, I hope it doesn't go the way of the first generation iPad too soon.
I'd be surprised if the 3 wasn't supported, as they still support the 2. So I imagine the 2 may go by the wayside, leaving the 3 as the oldest supported model. If they did support the 2, it would be incredible, but unlikely, I feel.
I don't know how that would work. The entire ecosystem doesn't appear to be designed to make that work.
For example, imagine you have an iPad for family where 4 of the people play Infinity Blade. The game was bought and they all want to play it when it's their time. The game is 1.80 GiB. But right now, your game details are stored with the app which means that you would need that game installed 4x for this to work. Does that make sense? I don't think so.
But lets say space is infinite or they resolve the problem by storing apps clean in a general repository in iOS 8 but with every developer updating the million apps instantly so that apps are stored clean, like with Mac OS X. How do you switch users? On a Mac it can take many seconds to change the UI and load the app and that's with a faster system. If RAM is until 8 GiB I'm not sure you can store all these family accounts in memory so it's there at the push of a button. Even if you could there are power usage concerns by using RAM. So you are either dealing with speed or battery life.
It all just seems highly unlikely. If we still don't even have a Guest Account option that would only load Safari and a couple other apps without saving any data I can't see how we're going to get user accounts.
Currently user-specific data/saved games/settings are not stored "with the app" implying that to support multiple users you'd have to install multiple copies of the binaries. All that stuff is stored in the iOS file system in app-specific locations, but not in the same folder as the app itself. I don't think it's all that different from the way user settings are stored separately from the applications in OS X. If Apple wanted to support this, they could give developers to tools to update their apps. If past experience is any guild, it could be a very simple update for well-designed apps that have been updated for iOS 7.
Frankly, I think the harder part would be adjusting the iOS eco system for this. Today, my family of 4 has something like 4 iPads, 6 iPod touches/iPhones that aren't phones any more, and 2 iPhone, plus who knows how many old iPods all tied to my account. It's great that I all the apps, music, movies that I bought can be used by everyone, but it's increasingly complicated. My kids are reaching an age where they should have their own accounts, but there is no clean transition path. Ideally (from my perspective, if not the content providers') I would be able to share my apps, music, etc. with everyone in my household, but they would have their own distinct iOS accounts. So my devices wouldn't automatically download their dumb new apps, and vice versa. I'm sure I'm not unique in this challenge. I hope Apple comes up with an elegant solution soon.
’Fraid to say that your approach was flawed from the start, and you must now suffer the consequences.
What you should have done was give your children restricted accounts, which you stocked up with your own money. That way, you would have avoided the problems you have now. But because you were greedy, the greed has caught up with you.
Those issues don't seem so impossible to overcome. I just don't think it is something that Apple wants to do because they would prefer that every member of the family to have their own device anyway.
You would be surprised just how many single users would also like multi-user accounts. One for your secret emails and hook up apps and one for your wife/husband/partner etc...to view without fear. Or just allow the ability to have a secret vault where these apps are hidden from prying eyes.
How will that hide apps like grindr, tindr, adult friend finder, POF, kik, and so many others. You need to physically be able to hide the apps themselves from snooping eyes.
get a new wife. Problem solved.
Bad advice. A wife is for life, not just for Christmas.
The Notifications panel and Control Center are examples of using a separate process without leaving the current process. You could for example have a browser open and open the settings app to reconnect to wifi or a VPN and test different settings without having to jump between them. You could have a calculator app next to Numbers or a PDF with your accounts. A split may not work at all in portrait because the landscape UI would be designed for a full width but in landscape, the apps on either side of the split could just switch to portrait.
Sports would be an important use case. If someone is watching a live game feed but needs to send out an email, they don't want to miss anything.
It can be a simple gesture to enable it e.g touch the top center and center of the display and it splits in two. The active app would shuffle to the left and the most recently used app on the right. They have a gesture to switch apps so you'd do 4-finger swipe on each side to switch the apps. The multi-tasking view would switch out the active context. a gesture on the split bar can get rid of it.
If you don't use it, the iPad would just behave as normal.
I see what you're saying about the Notifications panel and Control Center, but you are still taking your focus away from one thing to do another thing. It may be faster with those panels instead of switching back and forth between apps, but you are not doing two things at the same time.
Same thing with your sports analogy. Even if you are a touch typist and you can type an email while your eyes are on the video, your focus is either thinking of the words you want to type or watching the game. You may think you are doing two things at once, but your focus is just switching back and forth between two things. (Granted, faster than actually switching back and forth between apps, but still....)
Although you're trying to argue reasonably, you're wrong, and Marvin is right. If you're typing notes whilst watching sport on tv, you're still aware of what's going on out of the corner of your eye; you don't need to be focused on the game.
Well it's about time. Apple is playing catchup now and it's getting embarrassing. The next iPhone had better have a bigger screen and some really INNOVATIVE features or I may leaving for the dark side.
Safari refreshes don't bother me because, you know, web pages were always backed up in this new cloud thing called the World Wide Web. But hey, if you like stale web pages, complain away!
On the go it is a Pita. I would like some kind of "offline reading" option.
While it does make sense to use Reading List, or Pocket for offline reading, the biggest pain is working with forms, or typing text posts - even with just two tabs open - a forum post form and a Wikipedia article I was referencing - there are still tab reloads, and I'd often lose all the text I was typing.
Although you're trying to argue reasonably, you're wrong, and Marvin is right. If you're typing notes whilst watching sport on tv, you're still aware of what's going on out of the corner of your eye; you don't need to be focused on the game.
Focus your thoughts.
I'm not saying there aren't any use cases for having side by side apps, but are there enough use cases and enough good use cases to change the entire paradigm of the iPad and iPhone? Everyone is imagining how this would work on an iPad, but do you really think a major new feature like this would simply be omitted from the iPhone? How would the user experience be of watching a video while typing an email on an iPhone? I'm still not convinced.
You would be surprised just how many single users would also like multi-user accounts. One for your secret emails and hook up apps and one for your wife/husband/partner etc...to view without fear. Or just allow the ability to have a secret vault where these apps are hidden from prying eyes.
I never thought of this. I guess the same thing is true about public video, if you don't have anything to hide then who cares who's watching. LOL
I wonder how this would get marketed now...
(Apple) "we now have multiple user accounts for those of you who cheat on your spouse and want to indulge in you fettish porn fantasies"
Originally the only reason I could think of for multiple user accounts for a single user was financial apps that have every penny and account number stored.
I'm not saying there aren't any use cases for having side by side apps, but are there enough use cases and enough good use cases to change the entire paradigm of the iPad and iPhone? Everyone is imagining how this would work on an iPad, but do you really think a major new feature like this would simply be omitted from the iPhone? How would the user experience be of watching a video while typing an email on an iPhone? I'm still not convinced.
Why not? The iPad has been essentially running a phone UI from the start. It has enough real-estate to do a lot more. It's even more bothersome that they leave stuff out on the iPad that's included on the phone, and then drop iPad specific items that were very usefull.
Why did they drop support for instant photo viewing from the home screen. Originally with one tap you could turn your iPad into a family slide show. Why did they drop faces and places from the iPad? That one made me look stupid. I showed my father, who frequently bikes across country taking pictures how he could look at them all on a map. He went out and bought an iPad and a Mac for that feature. Well, Apple dropped it, I look like an ass, and my father promised to never buy an Apple product again. Just to add to that, None of the rumor sites like this didn't say anything about the dropped features, just new features so I didn't warn him not to update iOS.
So now I don't recommend anything to anyone. /end of rant.
Anyway, I think they could definitely do a lot more with the screen space on a iPad, and if they intentionally leave apps out that are included on the phone it should work both ways. I've thought for years now that the iPad should have a different derivative OS.
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Just curious...what software innovation do you think iOS needs?
On the go it is a Pita. I would like some kind of "offline reading" option.
Perish the thought that Weather Underground's website might be to blame.
I'd be surprised if the 3 wasn't supported, as they still support the 2. So I imagine the 2 may go by the wayside, leaving the 3 as the oldest supported model. If they did support the 2, it would be incredible, but unlikely, I feel.
’Fraid to say that your approach was flawed from the start, and you must now suffer the consequences.
What you should have done was give your children restricted accounts, which you stocked up with your own money. That way, you would have avoided the problems you have now. But because you were greedy, the greed has caught up with you.
C'est la vie.
The iPad and iPhone are personal devices.
Just. Buy. Separate. Devices.
It's not so difficult.
Bad advice. A wife is for life, not just for Christmas.
128 already exists. Try 256.
Although you're trying to argue reasonably, you're wrong, and Marvin is right. If you're typing notes whilst watching sport on tv, you're still aware of what's going on out of the corner of your eye; you don't need to be focused on the game.
Focus your thoughts.
Don't be so petulant.
That would be Reading List.
The iPad and iPhone are personal devices.
Just. Buy. Separate. Devices.
It's not so difficult.
Where do you propose the money for them comes for?
That would be Reading List.
While it does make sense to use Reading List, or Pocket for offline reading, the biggest pain is working with forms, or typing text posts - even with just two tabs open - a forum post form and a Wikipedia article I was referencing - there are still tab reloads, and I'd often lose all the text I was typing.
I'm not saying there aren't any use cases for having side by side apps, but are there enough use cases and enough good use cases to change the entire paradigm of the iPad and iPhone? Everyone is imagining how this would work on an iPad, but do you really think a major new feature like this would simply be omitted from the iPhone? How would the user experience be of watching a video while typing an email on an iPhone? I'm still not convinced.
I never thought of this. I guess the same thing is true about public video, if you don't have anything to hide then who cares who's watching. LOL
I wonder how this would get marketed now...
(Apple) "we now have multiple user accounts for those of you who cheat on your spouse and want to indulge in you fettish porn fantasies"
Originally the only reason I could think of for multiple user accounts for a single user was financial apps that have every penny and account number stored.
Why not? The iPad has been essentially running a phone UI from the start. It has enough real-estate to do a lot more. It's even more bothersome that they leave stuff out on the iPad that's included on the phone, and then drop iPad specific items that were very usefull.
Why did they drop support for instant photo viewing from the home screen. Originally with one tap you could turn your iPad into a family slide show. Why did they drop faces and places from the iPad? That one made me look stupid. I showed my father, who frequently bikes across country taking pictures how he could look at them all on a map. He went out and bought an iPad and a Mac for that feature. Well, Apple dropped it, I look like an ass, and my father promised to never buy an Apple product again. Just to add to that, None of the rumor sites like this didn't say anything about the dropped features, just new features so I didn't warn him not to update iOS.
So now I don't recommend anything to anyone. /end of rant.
Anyway, I think they could definitely do a lot more with the screen space on a iPad, and if they intentionally leave apps out that are included on the phone it should work both ways. I've thought for years now that the iPad should have a different derivative OS.
Well considering that you jumped to insulting me...
I wasn't insulting you. I was saying that your comment was immature, which it was.
Anyways.