Apple and Google agree to drop all ongoing lawsuits, will work toward patent reform

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  • Reply 101 of 148
    juandl wrote: »
       The Lawyer Bill for the Apple-Samsung trail just arrived.
    Apple realizes it is to big.  And the courts will continue keeping the amount owed to Apple small.
      It would be even harder to collect from Google.

    Oracle Bill is coming
    to make andude really open.

    Giggle's gonna want
    all the friends money can buy.
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  • Reply 102 of 148
    citycity Posts: 522member

    This is possibly a matter of Google just paying Apple an amount greater then Apple expected to win in court. The courts don't seem to be banning infringing products and Google freely spends. Five billion dollars maybe?

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  • Reply 103 of 148
    taniwhataniwha Posts: 347member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by city View Post

     

    This is possibly a matter of Google just paying Apple an amount greater then Apple expected to win in court. The courts don't seem to be banning infringing products and Google freeing spends. Five billion dollars maybe?




    10c perhaps /s

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  • Reply 104 of 148
    city wrote: »
    This is possibly a matter of Google just paying Apple an amount greater then Apple expected to win in court. The courts don't seem to be banning infringing products and Google freeing spends. Five billion dollars maybe?

    Apple don need no stinkin billions.

    How about the HTC special
    no copykat in the new chrome book fone.

    Just like android only better.
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  • Reply 105 of 148
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,421member
    dysamoria wrote: »
    The USPTO originally rejected software patents. They were forced to accept them by political pressure and lobbying from the computer industry. Don't blame a department for being ruined by the overlying political games of those in power above them.

    What would be the logic for disallowing patents for software, as opposed to hardware? In what fundamental ways is the intellectual property qualitatively different?
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  • Reply 106 of 148
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    What would be the logic for disallowing patents for software, as opposed to hardware? In what fundamental ways is the intellectual property qualitatively different?

    HW patents are more tangible. SW patents can be reduced to a series of 1's and 0's. Personally, I think SW patents need their own classification with it's own set of rules that falls somewhere between copyrights, since they are written, and patents, since it does have a specific function.
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  • Reply 107 of 148
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,421member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    SW patents can be reduced to a series of 1's and 0's.

    I find that argument to be as persuasive as saying that all hardware can be reduced to atoms and molecules.
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  • Reply 108 of 148
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I find that argument to be as persuasive as saying that all hardware can be reduced to atoms and molecules.

    That's perfectly fine, because at the end SW is inherently different from HW so it shouldn't be defined exactly the same way, just we don't define published works as patents. SW shares elements from both so I think its rules needs to borrow from each and to have its own category.
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  • Reply 109 of 148
    rerollreroll Posts: 65member
    Well, it was about time.
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  • Reply 110 of 148
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d4NjvRzf View Post

     

    The first patent (the one about routing calls between mobile and voip networks) seems to concern the same functionality that the new Republic Wireless carrier claims to have implemented in-house (http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/carrier-wifi/republic-wireless-revamps-its-wifi-handoff/d/d-id/706570).


     

    If you'll note the Apple patent, it directly sources the Nortel patents going back to 1997 and Apple also notes Sprint's patent.

     

    I'll wager you won't ever see Sprint attempting to claim infringement, what with Apple holding the Nortel patents.

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  • Reply 111 of 148
    droidftwdroidftw Posts: 1,009member
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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post





    So you think "most Google fans" are misrepresented by this so-called "vocal minority"? Do I see "most Google fans" arguing against the "vocal minority"? Or do I see "most Google fans" clicking the "Like" button on their posts?



    Most (let's call them moderate) Google fans aren't astroturfing here. They're enjoying their own communities. Google fans who are here aren't here for that reason. They're here because Apple fans are wrong on the Internet image

     

    1) Yes, very much so.

    2) I have no idea what you see, but I do suspect that you're trying to apply what you see from a vocal minority to a majority.

    3) See #3

     

    It looks like you're still projecting your own extremist views onto others.  One can be a fan of Google AND Apple at the same time.  Just look at lists which show the most popular iOS apps and you'll find one developer who consistenly rates among the most popular, Google.  It's very common for someone to use both and be satisfied.

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  • Reply 112 of 148
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    HW patents are more tangible. SW patents can be reduced to a series of 1's and 0's. Personally, I think SW patents need their own classification with it's own set of rules that falls somewhere between copyrights, since they are written, and patents, since it does have a specific function.

    Say goodbye to all the "standards essential" mobile network patents.

     

    All communications from a phone are just a series of 1's and 0's.

     

    So now we've cleared that up, where are the incentives to push the boundaries?

     

    Given that without patents anyone can take the work and use it for free.

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  • Reply 113 of 148
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Say goodbye to all the "standards essential" mobile network patents.

    All communications from a phone are just a series of 1's and 0's.

    So now we've cleared that up, where are the incentives to push the boundaries?

    Given that anyone can take the work and use it for free.

    Huh?! Can you explain how that would be the case? Rather, why would you not want any protection for innovative code?
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  • Reply 114 of 148
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Huh?! Can you explain how that would be the case?

    What would be the point of licensing a way to send 1's and 0's over a network if they aren't patent protected?

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  • Reply 115 of 148
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hill60 wrote: »
    What would be the point of licensing a way to send 1's and 0's over a network if they aren't patent protected?

    I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you against protecting networking communications? If so, why?
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  • Reply 116 of 148
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you against protecting networking communications? If so, why?

     

    Most of the standards essential patents are software patents.

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  • Reply 117 of 148
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hill60 wrote: »
    Most of the standards essential patents are software patents.

    OK. I don't think anyone has said otherwise. What does that have to do with anything I've said?
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  • Reply 118 of 148
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

     
    That's perfectly fine, because at the end SW is inherently different from HW so it shouldn't be defined exactly the same way, just we don't define published works as patents. SW shares elements from both so I think its rules needs to borrow from each and to have its own category.


    Below is a link to a rather lengthy article from the Oxford Press which basically supports your position. I think it should be required reading for anyone who wishes to enter the debate of software patents and whether they should be changed, abolished or left as is. The author makes some very logical arguments. Good reading.

     

    http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/13/1543.full

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  • Reply 119 of 148
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

    I hope everything gets settled in the end. This is getting old and ridiculous. Time to move on already. 

     

    Montage of Sean Bean saying “Shut Up”.mp4

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  • Reply 120 of 148
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 6,007member
    Montage of Sean Bean saying “Shut Up”.mp4

    Nobody gives a shit what you think...
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