I suspect that both companies realized that a lot of self-incriminating evidence would come out, detailing their abuse of not only each other's property but also the legal system and patent law itself... which might encourage a more popular movement toward truly reforming it... and of course much money would be consumed and business secrets revealed fighting each other in the open legal system, and have decided to find a way to collude. This way they can keep all the facts hidden about why the USA needs a critical and drastic reform of patent law in the first place (which Apple and Google would not benefit from financially). This is basically a "don't worry about the law; we will take care of everything", with full intent on maintaining the broken system they screwed up for their own benefit.
Not at all. I imagine that Apple took pity on Google, realising that they were going to blow them away in the coming years, and so they simply didn't need to pursue them in the courts.
This "cease fire" is not a guarantee against future legal actions.
IMO, for Apple to win going forward they must offer luxury product that is essentially not reproducible in smaller volumes or because it requires extremely costly and proprietary technology to manufacture... and they certainly seem to be going in that direction with the fingerprint reader and the sapphire coating.
It will soon result in visibly superior products that cannot be cheaply copied by any company.
I just cam across this on Twitter. These are all the CNC bits required to produce an iPhone 5/5S case. In the end this will be Apple's differentiator that will be extremely difficult and/or costly to replicate. That's why I hope Apple doesn't heed the call to start making cheap phones that can be easily copied (see Xiaomi tablets that are a cheap imitation of the 5C).
I see Samsung being squeezed by Motorola and Chinese brands offering good enough Android phones at cheap prices. And I don't see what benefits Tizen will have to entice people away from Android.
I've never seen any evidence that Google was ever p'ed off at Apple. No threats, no bombastic statements, no saber-rattling of any kind. The worst I can recall is one Google presenter making a "draconian future" comment several years ago for which he was chastised by Google's owners IIRC. That's it. It's obvious from various emails revealed in court cases that Google has tried to appease Apple over the years. They've extended olive branches even when they should not have (ie hiring practices)
As for warning Samsung against "copying" they've done so. That came out in the first Apple/Samsung trial and I personally suspect it's not the only conversation the two have had on the subject. I think the major thing preventing this laying down of arms from happening sooner was Apple holding out on offering that olive branch in return. Hopefully these two companies can agree to fix any future problems between them too without resorting to (semi) public threats or court filings. .
Yes I know that Google had warned Samsung already... I was thinking diplomatically and Google giving a "final" warning.
As for Google being p'ed off at anyone: I can't imagine that they were happy with Apple's statements or lawsuits against them, and Mr. "Messer" Schmidt's trite statements/attacks against Apple were surely not because he was happy with the situation. Also I can't imagine they were happy being pulled into the court fray the way Samsung did in the latest court hearings... considering that Google had already offered behind closed doors to subsidize their costs.
As clearly as I can... it is my opinion that Google should cut Samsung loose from the Open Handset Alliance. Period.
However they decide to do it, the many and varied reasons are there... and even if it's only because Google can (and should!) would be reason enough.
Allow Samsung to become the pariah of the industry that they have worked so hard trying to be. They are uncontrollable, and by their own actions are not a team player, nor one that I think Google should be associated with... technically or criminally by association.
NOTE: I am not a Google hater as many are on AI, and I follow a number of really great Google devs daily on other forums. They almost all are huge Apple fans.
This "thermonuclear war" was not well thought out by a very emotional and parochial Steve Jobs..... which I absolutely understand and probably would have succumbed to myself. Still... the adults among us can certainly agree that it wasn't the wisest statement or strategy, and has indeed taken a certain amount of mental energy out of Apple trying to defend their founder's honor. Time for closure on this chapter, and to get back to creating strategic partnerships with companies that offer tech and services that integrate well with Apple products. Apple needs to believe in their ability (once again) that whatever the competition can bring to market, they can do it better! :smokey:
Yes I know that Google had warned Samsung already... I was thinking diplomatically and Google giving a "final" warning.
As for Google being p'ed off at anyone: I can't imagine that they were happy with Apple's statements or lawsuits against them, and Mr. "Messer" Schmidt's trite statements/attacks against Apple were surely not because he was happy with the situation. Also I can't imagine they were happy being pulled into the court fray the way Samsung did in the latest court hearings... considering that Google had already offered behind closed doors to subsidize their costs.
As clearly as I can... it is my opinion that Google should cut Samsung loose from the Open Handset Alliance. Period.
However they decide to do it, the many and varied reasons are there... and even if it's only because Google can (and should!) would be reason enough.
Allow Samsung to become the pariah of the industry that they have worked so hard trying to be. They are uncontrollable, and by their own actions are not a team player, nor one that I think Google should be associated with... technically or criminally by association.
NOTE: I am not a Google hater as many are on AI, and I follow a number of really great Google devs daily on other forums. They almost all are huge Apple fans.
This "thermonuclear war" was not well thought out by a very emotional and parochial Steve Jobs..... which I absolutely understand and probably would have succumbed to myself. Still... the adults among us can certainly agree that it wasn't the wisest statement or strategy, and has indeed taken a certain amount of mental energy out of Apple trying to defend their founder's honor. Time for closure on this chapter, and to get back to creating strategic partnerships with companies that offer tech and services that integrate well with Apple products. Apple needs to believe in their ability (once again) that whatever the competition can bring to market, they can do it better!
59 cases.
2013.
59 times Apple was sued by patent trolls last year alone.
A strong legal team and investment in legal resources is essential for Apple.
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Apple has 64bit mobile devices, leading the market.
59 times Apple was sued by patent trolls last year alone.
Here's the original report that ARS took the figures from. I don't think the 59 cases were all filed by patent trolls altho Apple did attract the most new patent infringement cases last year. Another little nugget: Both Apple and Motorola made it to the top 10 in the number of active 2013 patent claims where they were the plaintiff. (Page 8) The majority of Moto's probably just went away with the Apple/Google settlement as did a number of Apple's.
In any event it should be pretty clear that techs might see a need for changes in the patent system, supposedly an area where Apple and Google are going to work together. At the same time I'm pretty sure most techs don't want anything changed that would negate their own patent strategies. Should be interesting to see what they consider "balanced". http://pages.lexmachina.com/rs/lexmachina/images/LexMachina-2013 Patent Litigation Year in Review.pdf?aliId=339132
I can tell you one thing this is not the patent war between them now when both of them are entering the wearable tech industry they http://bit.ly/smartindustry
Certain terrorist groups are also known for wanting a peace treaty (whenever things are going badly for them), but it's merely a ploy to grant a temporary halt in fighting, so that they can regroup and continue on with their main goal, which is the opposite of peace.
So now you're comparing Google to a terrorist group?
AI, why do you let this fanboy idiot stick around? Embarrassment.
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Of course Apple should defend itself when it's sued, but the main thing to be said against Apple's offensive patent strategy (against, eg, Samsung) is that it's not working. Apple has invested tremendous top level attention in lawsuits that are offering meager payoffs and doing nothing substantive to hinder its competitors. There's always the possibility that one of these suits will hit the jackpot, but so far the strategy hasn't borne much fruit.
Blah that will be another bloated mess of a company. I'm not sure how they gain regulatory approval for such a significant consolidation of their competition.
59 times Apple was sued by patent trolls last year alone.
A strong legal team and investment in legal resources is essential for Apple.
Where did you ever get the idea that I think Apple shouldn't defend itself? :no:
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Don't assume that I think that: I don't in the least!
However I do believe that Apple "could have" went about this with a different strategy and without the childish "war mongering" statements. Steve Jobs' very own beliefs and training were thrown to the curb when he allowed himself a moment of undisciplined reaction to his extreme disappointment with.... yes... being ripped off. I also said I think i would have succumbed (and said far worse) than he even did. It still doesn't... and didn't... play well to the public (yeah who cares!) and didn't get Apple one step closer to bringing that criminal enterprise to their knees.
Apple has 64bit mobile devices, leading the market.
No shit Fred?! As well as Touch ID that works among a list of other advances that will take a long time for Samsung or anyone else to copy. So yes... thanks for agreeing with me that Apple should continue along that path.
As to fighting against the Copy Cats: patience, silence, surprise and subterfuge can also work wonders.
Going in Gung-Ho Marine-style makes you look like a bully, a) even if you're fighting the good fight or trying to defend yourself by going on the offensive before needing to be on defense; and b) you rarely if ever "win" decisively without casualties. In Apple's case, there have been assorted unmeasurable casualties amid the "winnings" which to them is peanuts, because they're fighting over principles first and foremost. Well aren't they?
Working with Google behind the scenes to get Samsung thrown out of the OHA before they're ready, is not "bending over" nor calling for "innovate don't litigate" by any stretch of the imagination. I call it "cleverness" in The Art of War.... a title that you may find enjoyable and applicable in business if you ever find the time.
59 times Apple was sued by patent trolls last year alone.
A strong legal team and investment in legal resources is essential for Apple.
Where did you ever get the idea that I think Apple shouldn't defend itself? :no:
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Don't assume that I think that: I don't in the least!
However I do believe that Apple "could have" went about this with a different strategy and without the childish "war mongering" statements. Steve Jobs' very own beliefs and training were thrown to the curb when he allowed himself a moment of undisciplined reaction to his extreme disappointment with.... yes... being ripped off. I also said I think i would have succumbed (and said far worse) than he even did. It still doesn't... and didn't... play well to the public (yeah who cares!) and didn't get Apple one step closer to bringing that criminal enterprise to their knees.
Apple has 64bit mobile devices, leading the market.
No shit Fred?! As well as Touch ID that works among a list of other advances that will take a long time for Samsung or anyone else to copy. So yes... thanks for agreeing with me that Apple should continue along that path.
As to fighting against the Copy Cats: patience, silence, surprise and subterfuge can also work wonders.
Going in Gung-Ho Marine-style makes you look like a bully, a) even if you're fighting the good fight or trying to defend yourself by going on the offensive before needing to be on defense; and b) you rarely if ever "win" decisively without casualties. In Apple's case, there have been assorted unmeasurable casualties amid the "winnings" which to them is peanuts, because they're fighting over principles first and foremost. Well aren't they?
Working with Google behind the scenes to get Samsung thrown out of the OHA before they're ready, is not "bending over" nor calling for "innovate don't litigate" by any stretch of the imagination. I call it "cleverness" in The Art of War.... a title that you may find enjoyable and applicable in business if you ever find the time.
It's very simple: if justice had been carried out in the courts, Samsung would have had a huge fine and many products banned. Steve Jobs and Tim Cook were wholly right to seek that justice.
59 times Apple was sued by patent trolls last year alone.
A strong legal team and investment in legal resources is essential for Apple.
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Apple has 64bit mobile devices, leading the market.
Back up there sparkles. Yes Apple was sued 59 times but the total for the top ten combined is 410 with Amazon sued 50 times, AT&T 45 and Google 39. In that perspective, you can see that all companies get sued and Apple isn't that much more.
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How ironic.
I suspect that both companies realized that a lot of self-incriminating evidence would come out, detailing their abuse of not only each other's property but also the legal system and patent law itself... which might encourage a more popular movement toward truly reforming it... and of course much money would be consumed and business secrets revealed fighting each other in the open legal system, and have decided to find a way to collude. This way they can keep all the facts hidden about why the USA needs a critical and drastic reform of patent law in the first place (which Apple and Google would not benefit from financially). This is basically a "don't worry about the law; we will take care of everything", with full intent on maintaining the broken system they screwed up for their own benefit.
Not at all. I imagine that Apple took pity on Google, realising that they were going to blow them away in the coming years, and so they simply didn't need to pursue them in the courts.
I just cam across this on Twitter. These are all the CNC bits required to produce an iPhone 5/5S case. In the end this will be Apple's differentiator that will be extremely difficult and/or costly to replicate. That's why I hope Apple doesn't heed the call to start making cheap phones that can be easily copied (see Xiaomi tablets that are a cheap imitation of the 5C).
https://mobile.twitter.com/jimgoetz/status/467453467720548352
I see Samsung being squeezed by Motorola and Chinese brands offering good enough Android phones at cheap prices. And I don't see what benefits Tizen will have to entice people away from Android.
Yes I know that Google had warned Samsung already... I was thinking diplomatically and Google giving a "final" warning.
As for Google being p'ed off at anyone: I can't imagine that they were happy with Apple's statements or lawsuits against them, and Mr. "Messer" Schmidt's trite statements/attacks against Apple were surely not because he was happy with the situation. Also I can't imagine they were happy being pulled into the court fray the way Samsung did in the latest court hearings... considering that Google had already offered behind closed doors to subsidize their costs.
As clearly as I can... it is my opinion that Google should cut Samsung loose from the Open Handset Alliance. Period.
However they decide to do it, the many and varied reasons are there... and even if it's only because Google can (and should!) would be reason enough.
Allow Samsung to become the pariah of the industry that they have worked so hard trying to be. They are uncontrollable, and by their own actions are not a team player, nor one that I think Google should be associated with... technically or criminally by association.
NOTE: I am not a Google hater as many are on AI, and I follow a number of really great Google devs daily on other forums. They almost all are huge Apple fans.
This "thermonuclear war" was not well thought out by a very emotional and parochial Steve Jobs..... which I absolutely understand and probably would have succumbed to myself. Still... the adults among us can certainly agree that it wasn't the wisest statement or strategy, and has indeed taken a certain amount of mental energy out of Apple trying to defend their founder's honor. Time for closure on this chapter, and to get back to creating strategic partnerships with companies that offer tech and services that integrate well with Apple products. Apple needs to believe in their ability (once again) that whatever the competition can bring to market, they can do it better! :smokey:
Yes I know that Google had warned Samsung already... I was thinking diplomatically and Google giving a "final" warning.
As for Google being p'ed off at anyone: I can't imagine that they were happy with Apple's statements or lawsuits against them, and Mr. "Messer" Schmidt's trite statements/attacks against Apple were surely not because he was happy with the situation. Also I can't imagine they were happy being pulled into the court fray the way Samsung did in the latest court hearings... considering that Google had already offered behind closed doors to subsidize their costs.
As clearly as I can... it is my opinion that Google should cut Samsung loose from the Open Handset Alliance. Period.
However they decide to do it, the many and varied reasons are there... and even if it's only because Google can (and should!) would be reason enough.
Allow Samsung to become the pariah of the industry that they have worked so hard trying to be. They are uncontrollable, and by their own actions are not a team player, nor one that I think Google should be associated with... technically or criminally by association.
NOTE: I am not a Google hater as many are on AI, and I follow a number of really great Google devs daily on other forums. They almost all are huge Apple fans.
This "thermonuclear war" was not well thought out by a very emotional and parochial Steve Jobs..... which I absolutely understand and probably would have succumbed to myself. Still... the adults among us can certainly agree that it wasn't the wisest statement or strategy, and has indeed taken a certain amount of mental energy out of Apple trying to defend their founder's honor. Time for closure on this chapter, and to get back to creating strategic partnerships with companies that offer tech and services that integrate well with Apple products. Apple needs to believe in their ability (once again) that whatever the competition can bring to market, they can do it better!
59 cases.
2013.
59 times Apple was sued by patent trolls last year alone.
A strong legal team and investment in legal resources is essential for Apple.
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Apple has 64bit mobile devices, leading the market.
Here's the original report that ARS took the figures from. I don't think the 59 cases were all filed by patent trolls altho Apple did attract the most new patent infringement cases last year. Another little nugget: Both Apple and Motorola made it to the top 10 in the number of active 2013 patent claims where they were the plaintiff. (Page 8) The majority of Moto's probably just went away with the Apple/Google settlement as did a number of Apple's.
In any event it should be pretty clear that techs might see a need for changes in the patent system, supposedly an area where Apple and Google are going to work together. At the same time I'm pretty sure most techs don't want anything changed that would negate their own patent strategies. Should be interesting to see what they consider "balanced".
http://pages.lexmachina.com/rs/lexmachina/images/LexMachina-2013 Patent Litigation Year in Review.pdf?aliId=339132
Finally they started thinking! "First thing we do, fire all the lawyers."
Waiting for Google and Comcast to combine and screw us all.
Nah, Comcast will get bought by Facebook. And that will screw us all.
Certain terrorist groups are also known for wanting a peace treaty (whenever things are going badly for them), but it's merely a ploy to grant a temporary halt in fighting, so that they can regroup and continue on with their main goal, which is the opposite of peace.
So now you're comparing Google to a terrorist group?
AI, why do you let this fanboy idiot stick around? Embarrassment.
So now you're comparing Google to a terrorist group?
AI, why do you let this fanboy idiot stick around? Embarrassment.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
Google portray themselves as fighting for freedom.
How about DirectTV being bought by ATT?
...an that's a fact!
EDIT: It's now official if regulators agree and the $48.5B check clears.
http://about.att.com/story/att_to_acquire_directv.html
How about DirectTV being bought by ATT?
...an that's a fact!
EDIT: It's now official if regulators agree and the $48.5B check clears.
http://about.att.com/story/att_to_acquire_directv.html
Massive. Just massive. Unbelievable.
Quit it with Samsung's "innovate don't litigate" brainwashing.
Of course Apple should defend itself when it's sued, but the main thing to be said against Apple's offensive patent strategy (against, eg, Samsung) is that it's not working. Apple has invested tremendous top level attention in lawsuits that are offering meager payoffs and doing nothing substantive to hinder its competitors. There's always the possibility that one of these suits will hit the jackpot, but so far the strategy hasn't borne much fruit.
How about DirectTV being bought by ATT?
...an that's a fact!
EDIT: It's now official if regulators agree and the $48.5B check clears.
http://about.att.com/story/att_to_acquire_directv.html
Blah that will be another bloated mess of a company. I'm not sure how they gain regulatory approval for such a significant consolidation of their competition.
I keep waiting for an "AT&TV" punchline.
Huh?! Can you explain how that would be the case?
What would be the point of licensing a way to send 1's and 0's over a network if they aren't patent protected?
If everybody had taken your view, there would not be an internet. There are other goals than putting money to rot in a bank.
Where did you ever get the idea that I think Apple shouldn't defend itself? :no:
Don't assume that I think that: I don't in the least!
However I do believe that Apple "could have" went about this with a different strategy and without the childish "war mongering" statements. Steve Jobs' very own beliefs and training were thrown to the curb when he allowed himself a moment of undisciplined reaction to his extreme disappointment with.... yes... being ripped off. I also said I think i would have succumbed (and said far worse) than he even did. It still doesn't... and didn't... play well to the public (yeah who cares!) and didn't get Apple one step closer to bringing that criminal enterprise to their knees.
No shit Fred?! As well as Touch ID that works among a list of other advances that will take a long time for Samsung or anyone else to copy. So yes... thanks for agreeing with me that Apple should continue along that path.
As to fighting against the Copy Cats: patience, silence, surprise and subterfuge can also work wonders.
Going in Gung-Ho Marine-style makes you look like a bully, a) even if you're fighting the good fight or trying to defend yourself by going on the offensive before needing to be on defense; and b) you rarely if ever "win" decisively without casualties. In Apple's case, there have been assorted unmeasurable casualties amid the "winnings" which to them is peanuts, because they're fighting over principles first and foremost. Well aren't they?
Working with Google behind the scenes to get Samsung thrown out of the OHA before they're ready, is not "bending over" nor calling for "innovate don't litigate" by any stretch of the imagination. I call it "cleverness" in The Art of War.... a title that you may find enjoyable and applicable in business if you ever find the time.
It's very simple: if justice had been carried out in the courts, Samsung would have had a huge fine and many products banned. Steve Jobs and Tim Cook were wholly right to seek that justice.
Back up there sparkles. Yes Apple was sued 59 times but the total for the top ten combined is 410 with Amazon sued 50 times, AT&T 45 and Google 39. In that perspective, you can see that all companies get sued and Apple isn't that much more.