Trust us Samsung will soon be much more betterer than anyone. Ever. We win by losing, we love by hating, we innovate by stealing.
-Stephen Woo
Terminal Samsung?, they must be joking... from Apple's dictionary app...
(of a disease) predicted to lead to death, especially slowly; incurable: terminal cancer.
• [ attrib. ] suffering from or relating to a terminal disease: a hospice for terminal cases.
• [ attrib. ] (of a condition) forming the last stage of a terminal disease.
• informal extreme and usually beyond cure or alteration (used for emphasis): an industry in terminal decline | you're making a terminal ass of yourself.
Google and Samsung love to talk about pie-in-the-sky shit, what they're "thinking" of doing, etc. Iris scanner? What the **** is the point of talking about that, if you can't get it in a shipping product? Maybe they should try to put out a fingerprint sensor worth a damn before they think about iris scanning? Going by their biometric track-record, the fact that they're already talking about this shit is laughable. What a pathetic company. Noone gives a **** about your dreams Samsung- the only think that matters is what you can execute, which so far as been an utter fail.
I think he meant, "Samsung is the leader in following. Nobody follows as well as we do at Samsung. We are the #1 follower." Lol!
That is actually a very good description. Samsung has been described as a "fast follower." That's either faint praise or an insult depending on what you believe.
Yes, but Apple still wants people to buy Macs. Too bad that the Mac version of iWork is held up by the web and mobile versions. They are trying to maintain feature parity across all three platforms, and progress is therefore very slow.
No, that's not "too bad" at all. Its called forward thinking. Feature parity is much, much more important and useful to most feature than having some niche features that hardly anyone uses on one platform, in order to break compatibility and parity. IWork is getting more powerful with every update, and for the VAST majority of people its more than powerful enough. Revamping it in a way where editing a document from a mac, the web, iPad or iPhone was genius and necessary.
Apple loyalists should want Samsung to have a strong presence in the smartphone and tablet markets. Decent competition keeps innovation high and prices low(er).
Has Apple ever price-matched the competition? Or done the BOGO deals because their competitors do?
Apple loyalists should want Samsung to have a strong presence in the smartphone and tablet markets. Decent competition keeps innovation high and prices low(er).
Ah yes, the old "We should be grateful for Samsung's unoriginal, stealing ways because competition is good and stuff" argument.
Leading by following is a classic Bizarro World-concept. I'd seen Bizarro Superman use it many times. Everything is the exact opposite to the normal world. In a way, Samsung is an imperfect duplicate of Apple, so in some twisted and distorted way what Samsung is saying makes complete sense if you live on Htrae, the Bizarro homeworld.
Ah yes, the old "We should be grateful for Samsung's unoriginal, stealing ways because competition is good and stuff" argument.
Sorry, no.
Yeah, there are two ways to compete:
1. Innovate, which leads to major disruption
2. Copy, which leads to (so the theory goes) lower prices
The unfunny thing is that when people like [@]wubbus[/@] advocate the lower prices supposedly created by "competition" they aren't referring to competition from disruptive innovation; what they really want is all of the iPhone features in a cheaper iPhone knock-off.
Samsung has another problem regarding this whole 64 Bit story, which I'm sure they'll be keeping as quiet as possible. At the end of the day this is a numbers game for them. Real benefit to the user is not of their concern, simply to release bigger and better numbers, more megapixels, greater pixel density, etc with every year's phone.
While they might be able to build their own 64 bit ARM chip and get a 64 Bit Android Kernel onto their phones, this will only affect the kernel itself, system programs and NDK applications, such as most games. They are completely reliant on Google to actually get a 64 Bit version of the Dalvik VM onto their phones, which must also be compatible with Google Play and whatnot. Without this, most applications will simply continue running in a 32 Bit environment.
DED I also don't particularly like Samsung, and they definitely are very capable of copying, but what you state here is not correct.
By the time Apple's A7 launched it was already known for a couple of years that 64bit mobile SoC's were in the pipelines. ARM themselves in 2012 estimated the start of the production to be first quarter of 2014. When ARMv8 was launched pretty much every large chip designer/maker licensed it. Samsung was also rumored to use the architecture in its server chips (a rumor that appeared way before the A7).
Apple finished first and they deserve a lot of credit for that, it was quite a feat. But to say everyone who has a 64bit SoC now copies Apple is beyond ridiculous. 64bit SoC's were expected in 2014 with or without a 64bit A7.
It's an Asian thing. For example, during WWII the Japanese soldier was not allowed to retreat. However, they could do a 180* and advance. Totally two different things.
In the case of Leading by Following, Samsung is saying whatever Apple does, Samsung will be hard on Apple's ass. As opposed to Microsoft coming along 10 to 12 years later. See? Totally two different things.
Samsung used to follow by following , Nokia slide phones, Blackberry QWERTY phones, Motorola flip phones, what changed was Apple disrupting the leaders, paving the way for Samsung to now "lead by following".
Apple's Touch ID is a waste -- something I never would use and have not used, but yet I have it. No interest in biometrics, and I used to LOVE that Apple never got into them, until Steve Jobs passed -- coincidence?
Now something I am still longing for is Nextel Direct Connect Walkie Talkie functionality from Apple with a dedicated yet programmable side button is something we still do not see, but would be HUGELY useful, esp. for business.
Apple loyalists should want Samsung to have a strong presence in the smartphone and tablet markets. Decent competition keeps innovation high and prices low(er).
Apple's device share in enterprise is impressive. I just wish they'd turn iWork into a real office productivity competitor to MS Office. The current offering doesn't cut it for those that need a serious office package. Then so many more could cut the laptop cable and go primarily iPad/iPhone.
This has never panned out with Apple. Nothing Apple has ever created was based upon a perceive competition in hardware between OEMs. Not one goddamn product. Apple has always carved its own niche, rightly or wrongly.
Apple didn't make the iPod because they felt prior individuals who entered first were going to beat them to a pot of gold from consumers. Steve didn't see a viable ecosystem until all the pieces were available to him and the team. That includes manufacturing in all facets, software and the tied in relationships to make it a viable n-tier solution.
Apple's Touch ID is a waste -- something I never would use and have not used, but yet I have it. No interest in biometrics, and I used to LOVE that Apple never got into them, until Steve Jobs passed -- coincidence?
Now something I am still longing for is Nextel Direct Connect Walkie Talkie functionality from Apple with a dedicated yet programmable side button is something we still do not see, but would be HUGELY useful, esp. for business.
Actually, in the Apple 2 era, there were biometrics. Was a pain.
But the new setup is pure awesome. And only to get better with time.
It's now "feasible" whereas before the tech wasn't quite ready.
It seems the walkie talkie thing may be destined to lie in the past with Ericsson devices.
DED I also don't particularly like Samsung, and they definitely are very capable of copying, but what you state here is not correct.
By the time Apple's A7 launched it was already known for a couple of years that 64bit mobile SoC's were in the pipelines. Qualcomm themselves in 2012 estimated the start of the production to be first quarter of 2014. When ARMv8 was launched pretty much every large chip designer/maker licensed it. Samsung was also rumored to use the architecture in its server chips (a rumor that appeared way before the A7).
Apple finished first and they deserve a lot of credit for that, it was quite a feat. But to say everyone who has a 64bit SoC now copies Apple is beyond ridiculous. 64bit SoC's were expected in 2014 with or without a 64bit A7.
Samsung et al have launched their flagships, crickets are chirping, the clock is ticking, "early 2014" is almost over and where are these mythical chips?
Samsung et al have launched their flagships, crickets are chirping, the clock is ticking, "early 2014" is almost over and where are these mythical chips?
Stick to reality not what might be.
Start production early 2014, not necessarily release. It's ARM's 2012 estimates I'm basing myself on. And really are you going to deny that 64bit SoC's were in the pipelines regardless of the A7. Apple was really early with 64bit and deserve a lot of credit for it, but to say the rest now copies is ridiculous. ARMv8 was always going to follow ARMv7.
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Terminal Samsung?, they must be joking... from Apple's dictionary app...
(of a disease) predicted to lead to death, especially slowly; incurable: terminal cancer.
• [ attrib. ] suffering from or relating to a terminal disease: a hospice for terminal cases.
• [ attrib. ] (of a condition) forming the last stage of a terminal disease.
• informal extreme and usually beyond cure or alteration (used for emphasis): an industry in terminal decline | you're making a terminal ass of yourself.
That's a brilliant quote.
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That is actually a very good description. Samsung has been described as a "fast follower." That's either faint praise or an insult depending on what you believe.
No, that's not "too bad" at all. Its called forward thinking. Feature parity is much, much more important and useful to most feature than having some niche features that hardly anyone uses on one platform, in order to break compatibility and parity. IWork is getting more powerful with every update, and for the VAST majority of people its more than powerful enough. Revamping it in a way where editing a document from a mac, the web, iPad or iPhone was genius and necessary.
Has Apple ever price-matched the competition? Or done the BOGO deals because their competitors do?
Apple loyalists should want Samsung to have a strong presence in the smartphone and tablet markets. Decent competition keeps innovation high and prices low(er).
Ah yes, the old "We should be grateful for Samsung's unoriginal, stealing ways because competition is good and stuff" argument.
Sorry, no.
Leading by following is a classic Bizarro World-concept. I'd seen Bizarro Superman use it many times. Everything is the exact opposite to the normal world. In a way, Samsung is an imperfect duplicate of Apple, so in some twisted and distorted way what Samsung is saying makes complete sense if you live on Htrae, the Bizarro homeworld.
“We, as a market leader, are following the market trend..."
Wow. That's an unfortunate line on which to be quoted.
Yeah, there are two ways to compete:
1. Innovate, which leads to major disruption
2. Copy, which leads to (so the theory goes) lower prices
The unfunny thing is that when people like [@]wubbus[/@] advocate the lower prices supposedly created by "competition" they aren't referring to competition from disruptive innovation; what they really want is all of the iPhone features in a cheaper iPhone knock-off.
Samsung has another problem regarding this whole 64 Bit story, which I'm sure they'll be keeping as quiet as possible. At the end of the day this is a numbers game for them. Real benefit to the user is not of their concern, simply to release bigger and better numbers, more megapixels, greater pixel density, etc with every year's phone.
While they might be able to build their own 64 bit ARM chip and get a 64 Bit Android Kernel onto their phones, this will only affect the kernel itself, system programs and NDK applications, such as most games. They are completely reliant on Google to actually get a 64 Bit version of the Dalvik VM onto their phones, which must also be compatible with Google Play and whatnot. Without this, most applications will simply continue running in a 32 Bit environment.
By the time Apple's A7 launched it was already known for a couple of years that 64bit mobile SoC's were in the pipelines. ARM themselves in 2012 estimated the start of the production to be first quarter of 2014. When ARMv8 was launched pretty much every large chip designer/maker licensed it. Samsung was also rumored to use the architecture in its server chips (a rumor that appeared way before the A7).
Apple finished first and they deserve a lot of credit for that, it was quite a feat. But to say everyone who has a 64bit SoC now copies Apple is beyond ridiculous. 64bit SoC's were expected in 2014 with or without a 64bit A7.
Here is f.e. an article of The Verge from 2012 discussing ARM's new 64bit architectures and also mentions the expected 2014 release date. It even mentions Samsung as a partner.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576560/arm-cortex-a57-cortex-a53-cpu-core
It's an Asian thing. For example, during WWII the Japanese soldier was not allowed to retreat. However, they could do a 180* and advance. Totally two different things.
In the case of Leading by Following, Samsung is saying whatever Apple does, Samsung will be hard on Apple's ass. As opposed to Microsoft coming along 10 to 12 years later. See? Totally two different things.
In the words of highlander, "there can be only one"
And either you lead or you follow.
If you follow, you are automatically not leading.
Samsung can't even be honest when it admits something sheesh.
I suppose next they'll claim to "innovate by plagiarism"
Now something I am still longing for is Nextel Direct Connect Walkie Talkie functionality from Apple with a dedicated yet programmable side button is something we still do not see, but would be HUGELY useful, esp. for business.
Apple loyalists should want Samsung to have a strong presence in the smartphone and tablet markets. Decent competition keeps innovation high and prices low(er).
Apple's device share in enterprise is impressive. I just wish they'd turn iWork into a real office productivity competitor to MS Office. The current offering doesn't cut it for those that need a serious office package. Then so many more could cut the laptop cable and go primarily iPad/iPhone.
This has never panned out with Apple. Nothing Apple has ever created was based upon a perceive competition in hardware between OEMs. Not one goddamn product. Apple has always carved its own niche, rightly or wrongly.
Apple didn't make the iPod because they felt prior individuals who entered first were going to beat them to a pot of gold from consumers. Steve didn't see a viable ecosystem until all the pieces were available to him and the team. That includes manufacturing in all facets, software and the tied in relationships to make it a viable n-tier solution.
But the new setup is pure awesome. And only to get better with time.
It's now "feasible" whereas before the tech wasn't quite ready.
It seems the walkie talkie thing may be destined to lie in the past with Ericsson devices.
Doubt there's much demand.
Apple on the market in 2013.
Samsung et al have launched their flagships, crickets are chirping, the clock is ticking, "early 2014" is almost over and where are these mythical chips?
Stick to reality not what might be.