I've been reading just about every post since early 2010. ...and you would be remiss if you didn't think your demeanor has changed as of late.
1) If I was being more abrasive would have I defended your comment even though I don't agree with it tto [@]SpamSandwich[/@] whom is a friend? I am still waiting to know what I said to you that was abrasive. If you were trolling, which you're not, I would be abrasive but that isn't new.
2) If you want to take the plunge — because I oddly can't find any reliable stats on it — you can backup and then wipe your iPhone to see how big the basic installation is. Note that you can't start with 64 GIB and then subtract what Settings » General » About says your remaining capacity because iOS lists your BASE-2 results but your capacity size, just like with a HDD, is BASE-10. You have a smidge over 64,000,000,000 bytes which means in BASE-2 format for the OS you're only starting with around 59.60 GIB so a 1.2(?) GiB will then show incorrect result in your thinking that iOS 7.x is using 5.6 GiB.
What I read from that was… "These laws don't apply to us"
I’ll be generous and guess that this interpretation, coupled with your lack of understanding of the word ‘shill’, means English isn’t your first language.
Not laws, products. We are not the users that would buy an 8GB iPhone but I have plenty of family members with iPhone that barely use any space because they don't have music, videos, or really anything else that takes up a lot of space. If an 8GB iPhone was available for them I'd suggest they buy it.
1) If I was being more abrasive would have I defended your comment even though I don't agree with it tto [@]SpamSandwich[/@] whom is a friend? I am still waiting to know what I said to you that was abrasive. If you were trolling, which you're not, I would be abrasive but that isn't new.
2) If you want to take the plunge — because I oddly can't find any reliable stats on it — you can backup and then wipe your iPhone to see how big the basic installation is. Note that you can't start with 64 GIB and then subtract what Settings » General » About says your remaining capacity because iOS lists your BASE-2 results but your capacity size, just like with a HDD, is BASE-10. You have a smidge over 64,000,000,000 bytes which means in BASE-2 format for the OS you're only starting with 59.60 GIB so a 1.2(?) GiB will then show incorrect result in your thinking that iOS 7.x is using 5.6 GiB.
I don't want you to defend me from anyone. ...and I read and have read all of SpamSandwich's post over the same amount of time and most of the time, besides the snarky remarks, are somewhat informative.
Why am I on the defensive? I posted my thoughts and I'm honored by your questions, and by a former moderators comments, but why really? Am I so off?
I'll take the plunge if you will. Shouldn't be too bad if we back up the phone right?
2) No one should be upset for choosing to buy a product and having that product do exactly what it stated it could do. If it's a fault unit (which happens) then one can be upset that they drew the very rare but unlucky straw.
3) Note that Apple already sells an 8GB iPhone in several markets where subsidies are not common and income compared to the US is low. I think they even recently brought back the 8GB 4S to India(?)
4) Personally, I'm hoping that they double the capacity and make 16GB the starting point for this 8th generation iPhone (not just offer a 128GB model), especially after that last point update required over a 1GiB for many people for the download+swap space to complete the installation. That said, there is no reason for those wanting a larger capacity iPhone to be pissed (your words) about Apple selling an 8GB model. Either those markets are wanting this or it will not sell and they'll drop it, but since they dropped the 2011 iPhone 4S in September 2013 from 16GB to 8GB and then in March 2014 added an 8GB iPhone 5C it seems there is interest in certain markets for those devices.So ask yourself: Why is Apple selling them if no one wants them? Why stop selling them if they are desirable to certain customers?
Oh Crikey. I get e-mails when you respond to me directly apparently.
In your fashion,
1) you've been quite a bit harsh on people as of late. If I can look at your posting history I would advise that you do the same. Honestly, I don't mind much. It's your rep.
2). I'd mind, which I don't to be honest, if I bought a crazy expensive phone that can't do what is promised because the storage can't handle what they advertise. Have you tried it? The slow motion part? How much storage do you think you need for that!
3). Apple sells an 8G model in several markets? (Had to omit). Are they the 5S? Top of the line? Can't get better than this kind of phone?
4). I completely agree. Why sell the 8G model? It's obviously not going to appeal to the U.S. Market, and most of the other markets besides the lowest tier which can not download apps, music, movies, tv shows. In fact, in those locals that they are selling those units there is no iTunes, no App Store and really nothing at all. So my point is that announcing a product that's completely high end knowing it's limited. Why bother? So people who don't have access to any features can say they have an awesome phone? Why bother?
5). I have quite a bit of money riding on the fact that they don't release an absolutely awesome phone with extreme limitations. (I know you didn't have a five, I'm just throwing that in).
Not laws, products. We are not the users that would buy an 8GB iPhone but I have plenty of family members with iPhone that barely use any space because they don't have music, videos, or really anything else that takes up a lot of space. If an 8GB iPhone was available for them I'd suggest they buy it.
Ahh, here's where my life experience come in.
My aunt is using an iPhone 3G. She has to constantly call me to "fix" her phone. She doesn't know that her phone updates apps. Unfortunately it doesn't have much space so I have to tell her to make a choice between deleting her texts, emails, or pictures to do so. She doesn't own a Mac, and she gets horrified if I tell her she needs to delete a picture sent to her in within a text. I have to go through all of them and save them to the camera roll.
I have a younger cousin who has a 4S that texts like crazy and doesn't want to delete any of them. He syncs to a net book. I have to continually tell him to back up his texts and delete them (he'll probably never see or use them but it's a main concern to him).
My Sister has an iPhone 4 that I have to manually update her apps because she downloads so many that they don't fit. I have to always ask her to choose between "so which would you rather have?"
I have two uncles who have iPhones that are constantly calling me to "fix" their phones because there's too many numbers on the "squares".
I think you're too tech minded to understand the common person. Please don't take that as an insult. I guess you just don't run into these situations.
This isn't directed towards you, but I think most of the posters on this site are very far removed from actual life and society.
My aunt is using an iPhone 3G. She has to constantly call me to "fix" her phone. She doesn't know that her phone updates apps. Unfortunately it doesn't have much space so I have to tell her to make a choice between deleting her texts, emails, or pictures to do so. She doesn't own a Mac, and she gets horrified if I tell her she needs to delete a picture sent to her in within a text. I have to go through all of them and save them to the camera roll.
I have a younger cousin who has a 4S that texts like crazy and doesn't want to delete any of them. He syncs to a net book. I have to continually tell him to back up his texts and delete them (he'll probably never see or use them but it's a main concern to him).
My Sister has an iPhone 4 that I have to manually update her apps because she downloads so many that they don't fit. I have to always ask her to choose between "so which would you rather have?"
I have two uncles who have iPhones that are constantly calling me to "fix" their phones because there's too many numbers on the "squares".
I think you're too tech minded to understand the common person. Please don't take that as an insult. I guess you just don't run into these situations.
This isn't directed towards you, but I think most of the posters on this site are very far removed from actual life and society.
I deal with these sort of things every… single… day. I've even dealt with plenty of tech issues on this site. Having more space is not going to magically make my techtarded friends and family understand their device more than they already do, and I have to say that I think I understand the iPhone better than you do if you think that iOS takes up 4GiB of space for a fresh install.
The bottom line is that there are plenty of markets where the iPhone is too expensive for a variety of reasons that Apple has found they will have customers if they sell 8GB iPhones. This isn't speculate! This fact! And I've already stated the dates in which they introduced new 8GB iPhones. Will they continue that with the iPhone 5S which is nearing a year old? Maybe, maybe not, but if they do it's a safe bet they feel confident it will sell customer that choose that model.
I deal with these sort of things every… single… day. I've even dealt with plenty of tech issues on this site. Having more space is not going to magically make my techtarded friends and family understand their device more than they already do, and I have to say that I think I understand the iPhone better than you do if you think that iOS takes up 4GiB of space for a fresh install.
The bottom line is that there are plenty of markets where the iPhone is too expensive for a variety of reasons that Apple has found they will have customers if they sell 8GB iPhones. This isn't speculate! This fact! And I've already stated the dates in which they introduced new 8GB iPhones. Will they continue that with the iPhone 5S which is nearing a year old? Maybe, maybe not, but if they do it's a safe bet they feel confident it will sell customer that choose that model.
Most likely you do know quite a bit more than I. I don't think I ever debated that. Perhaps in the life experience thing, which one would have to know to compare.
However, given the costs, how much could offering an 8G model on the top tier phone, TOP TIER phone, drop the price before cutting both Apple's margins and compromising user experience? If the retail cost is a dollar or so to consumers, should they drop the price of the 5S by $50? I only see a lose proposition by doing so.
I understand that they tried to dump unsold units that couldn't be sold in influential markets of older units that had older hardware. I'm just asking why an 8G 5S and why anywhere now that they can dump unsold hardware on a 5C? ...or 6C?
However, given the costs, how much could offering an 8G model on the top tier phone, TOP TIER phone, drop the price before cutting both Apple's margins and compromising user experience? If the retail cost is a dollar or so to consumers, should they drop the price of the 5S by $50? I only see a lose proposition by doing so.
But you don't see a loss when they've offered an 8GB since 2007? The 5C, which arrived at the same time as the 5S is offered as 8GB in certain margins as of just a couple months ago. And if you're concerned about the compromising the UX then the 5C mostly with components form 2012 is definitely going to run slower and have less features than the 5C so its UX would be worse than the 5S.
As for this rumour, I'll mention it again. It's been updated to say it's not accurate so there is absolutely no reason to feel pissed unless you're going to feel pissed because Apple has offered an 8GB phone for in every model except for the iPhone 5 and 5S but the 5s is still within its first year on the market and the iPhone 5 was canceled after a year and replaced with the 5C which does have an 8GB model.
Now if Apple does offer an 8GB iPhone 5S for India and/or China before there is an 8th gen iPhone don't you think they would have had a reason to do so? Remember that China Mobile has massive pull because of the number of subscribers so if Apple feels that an 8GB iPhone will sell well there they would be fools to do it. Our anecdotal experiences mean nothing!
I understand that they tried to dump unsold units that couldn't be sold in influential markets of older units that had older hardware. I'm just asking why an 8G 5S and why anywhere now that they can dump unsold hardware on a 5C? ...or 6C?
That isn't accurate. There was no dumping of unsold units. They specifically made 8GB iPhones for those markets. There was no one going into iPhone boxes, then prying opens iPhone and then removing NAND so it would be 8GB. Those devices were designed to be 8GB.
PS: My 16GB Retina iPad Mini (T-Mobile), which I have over 9GiB available, appears to use 2.2GiB for iOS v7.1.1. I deduced this by taking the 16GB starting point, then converting to BASE-2 to get 14.9GiB, then minus the capacity listing of 12.7GiB to get 2.2GiB. My 16GB iPhone 5S (AT&T) has a capacity of 12.8GiB which means that iOS v7.1.1 is 2.1GiB. For an 8GB iPhone 5S running iOS v7.1.1 it will have a 7.45GiB capacity, and if we assume the same size OS as on my iPhone we get 5.35GiB remaining for the user. 2.1GiB is not half, it's 28%, slightly over a quarter. Now I don't think 5.35GiB is a lot of space — even though that's fine for my iPad — and I think that last update was far too bulky compared to their past OS releases, but the bottom line is we are not the intended market for these devices so Apple selling an 8GB iPhone 5C just two months ago is not Apple being jerks to their customers.
But you don't see a loss when they've offered an 8GB since 2007? The 5C, which arrived at the same time as the 5S is offered as 8GB in certain margins as of just a couple months ago. And if you're concerned about the compromising the UX then the 5C mostly with components form 2012 is definitely going to run slower and have less features than the 5C so its UX would be worse than the 5S.
As for this rumour, I'll mention it again. It's been updated to say it's not accurate so there is absolutely no reason to feel pissed unless you're going to feel pissed because Apple has offered an 8GB phone for in every model except for the iPhone 5 and 5S but the 5s is still within its first year on the market and the iPhone 5 was canceled after a year and replaced with the 5C which does have an 8GB model.
Now if Apple does offer an 8GB iPhone 5S for India and/or China before there is an 8th gen iPhone don't you think they would have had a reason to do so? Remember that China Mobile has massive pull because of the number of subscribers so if Apple feels that an 8GB iPhone will sell well there they would be fools to do it. Our anecdotal experiences mean nothing!
That isn't accurate. There was no dumping of unsold units. They specifically made 8GB iPhones for those markets. There was no one going into iPhone boxes, then prying opens iPhone and then removing NAND so it would be 8GB. Those devices were designed to be 8GB.
PS: My 16GB Retina iPad Mini (T-Mobile), which I have over 9GiB available, appears to use 2.2GiB for iOS v7.1.1. I deduced this by taking the 16GB starting point, then converting to BASE-2 to get 14.9GiB, then minus the capacity listing of 12.7GiB to get 2.2GiB. My 16GB iPhone 5S (AT&T) has a capacity of 12.8GiB which means that iOS v7.1.1 is 2.1GiB. For an 8GB iPhone 5S running iOS v7.1.1 it will have a 7.45GiB capacity, and if we assume the same size OS as on my iPhone we get 5.35GiB remaining for the user. 2.1GiB is not half, it's 28%, slightly over a quarter. Now I don't think 5.35GiB is a lot of space — even though that's fine for my iPad — and I think that last update was far too bulky compared to their past OS releases, but the bottom line is we are not the intended market for these devices so Apple selling an 8GB iPhone 5C just two months ago is not Apple being jerks to their customers.
I'm kind of all done with this. I appreciate your perspective but I'm done. I think I started with an innocent comment, perhaps I didn't. I'm neither well versed or well equipped to continue but I thank you.
I'm kind of all done with this. I appreciate your perspective but I'm done. I think I started with an innocent comment, perhaps I didn't. I'm neither well versed or well equipped to continue but I thank you.
It's not a perspective when I'm giving you numbers that you can verify. It's not my opinion that iOS isn't 4GiB, it's a simple fact.
Or. You know. You buy the phone you want. Instead of being a moron and buying the one you don’t.
You'd be surprised how many people don't know what the storage space actually means. They get a rough explanation from the phone salesperson and buy what they think they can afford. They only find out later when they realize what they CAN'T do.
Calling someone a moron because they don't know much about tech is like calling a tech person a moron for buying a crappy parachute to go skydiving. Your view is a little one sided my friend. That said, I do however think people should research what they're buying. Unfortunately most people don't. And most people don't understand the polar views when it comes to Apple VS. Other devices by those who do know tech. They literally have no clue that their salesperson could be extremely biased.
You'd be surprised how many people don't know what the storage space actually means.
“Capacity” and “memory” can be confusing… if you don’t take any time to learn anything whatsoever about them at all. One sentence from a clerk; that’s all you need.
“Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.”
“Capacity” and “memory” can be confusing… if you don’t take any time to learn anything whatsoever about them at all. One sentence from a clerk; that’s all you need.
“Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.”
O.k. My friend I get it and you get it. We don't need definitions on a tech site. My point was that the average consumer doesn't understand what it means. Also that the supposed average consumer may mean the life or death of you in the right circumstances. Just don't call them morons.
Perhaps I've seen too much or lived too much, but I have a lot of empathy. It might be the death of me at some point.
My point was that the average consumer doesn't understand what it means.
Guess you didn’t read the post.
Also that the supposed average consumer may mean the life or death of you in the right circumstances. Just don't call them morons.
“ALL RIGHT!” the man said, pointing his gun at the other customer. “I’ve had enough snark out of you! I demand you tell me the difference between capacity and memory!”
“Look, buddy, I got this shirt on eBay; I don’t work here…” he began, but the other man hit him with his gun.
“I’ll give you to the count of eight. Or should I say one? I DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!” he screamed, pulling the hammer back despite his gun being an automatic.
“I… I said it already!” said the second man. “Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.”
The gun slowly moved from between the customer’s eyes and the expression on the first man’s face relaxed.
“Oh,” he said. "Guess I didn’t hear you before. And the moron bit?”
“Not you personally,” said the customer. “The uneducated masses in general, of which you’re not now a part.”
“Well, then,” said the man. “Think they’ll let me take an iPhone 6 into jail?”
“Capacity” and “memory” can be confusing… if you don’t take any time to learn anything whatsoever about them at all. One sentence from a clerk; that’s all you need.
“Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.”
O.k. My friend. I get it and you get it. My point was and is that the average consumer doesn't understand.
“ALL RIGHT!” the man said, pointing his gun at the other customer. “I’ve had enough snark out of you! I demand you tell me the difference between capacity and memory!”
“Look, buddy, I got this shirt on eBay; I don’t work here…” he began, but the other man hit him with his gun.
“I’ll give you to the count of eight. Or should I say one? I DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!” he screamed, pulling the hammer back despite his gun being an automatic.
“I… I said it already!” said the second man. “Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.” The gun slowly moved from between the customer<span style="line-height:22px;">’s eyes and the </span>
expression<span style="line-height:22px;"> on the first man’s face relaxed.</span>
<span style="line-height:22px;">“Oh,” he said. Guess I didn’t hear you before. And the moron bit?”</span>
<span style="line-height:22px;">“Not you personally,” said the customer. </span>
“The uneducated masses in general, of which you<span style="line-height:22px;">’re not now a part.”</span>
<span style="line-height:22px;">“Well, then,” </span>
said<span style="line-height:22px;"> the man. </span>
“Think they<span style="line-height:22px;">’ll let me take an iPhone 6 into jail?”</span>
If I were still enlisted I'd have shot him long before that last line... ...and I would have tried to educate anyone severing under me about what transpired.
I've noticed we try to cheat everyone here on home soil. It's sickening.
“Why am I being arrested? He was snotty to me, I tell you! That’s grounds for murder!”
You only get arrested because of U.S. Law. Elsewhere you wouldn't have the chance to ask why.
...and if you were murdered somewhere other than the U.S., by whom? Who could show you were killed?
You would be considered lucky to be captured by U.S. Soldiers instead of local authorities. At the very least you would be fed (not killed), housed and our internal justice system works externally in foreign nations. You wouldn't have any phone, or any electronic during that time though. Not that anyone ever does.
So no worries about an iPhone 6. Also, most of those leaked pictures are coming from people who are literally putting their life on the line. You don't understand how little the government over there considers their citizens. A lot of people will die because of Tim's concern about security. Literally, get caught and die.
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1) If I was being more abrasive would have I defended your comment even though I don't agree with it tto [@]SpamSandwich[/@] whom is a friend? I am still waiting to know what I said to you that was abrasive. If you were trolling, which you're not, I would be abrasive but that isn't new.
2) If you want to take the plunge — because I oddly can't find any reliable stats on it — you can backup and then wipe your iPhone to see how big the basic installation is. Note that you can't start with 64 GIB and then subtract what Settings » General » About says your remaining capacity because iOS lists your BASE-2 results but your capacity size, just like with a HDD, is BASE-10. You have a smidge over 64,000,000,000 bytes which means in BASE-2 format for the OS you're only starting with around 59.60 GIB so a 1.2(?) GiB will then show incorrect result in your thinking that iOS 7.x is using 5.6 GiB.
What I read from that was...
"These laws don't apply to us"
I’ll be generous and guess that this interpretation, coupled with your lack of understanding of the word ‘shill’, means English isn’t your first language.
Not laws, products. We are not the users that would buy an 8GB iPhone but I have plenty of family members with iPhone that barely use any space because they don't have music, videos, or really anything else that takes up a lot of space. If an 8GB iPhone was available for them I'd suggest they buy it.
I don't want you to defend me from anyone. ...and I read and have read all of SpamSandwich's post over the same amount of time and most of the time, besides the snarky remarks, are somewhat informative.
Why am I on the defensive? I posted my thoughts and I'm honored by your questions, and by a former moderators comments, but why really? Am I so off?
I'll take the plunge if you will. Shouldn't be too bad if we back up the phone right?
Oh Crikey. I get e-mails when you respond to me directly apparently.
In your fashion,
1) you've been quite a bit harsh on people as of late. If I can look at your posting history I would advise that you do the same. Honestly, I don't mind much. It's your rep.
2). I'd mind, which I don't to be honest, if I bought a crazy expensive phone that can't do what is promised because the storage can't handle what they advertise. Have you tried it? The slow motion part? How much storage do you think you need for that!
3). Apple sells an 8G model in several markets? (Had to omit). Are they the 5S? Top of the line? Can't get better than this kind of phone?
4). I completely agree. Why sell the 8G model? It's obviously not going to appeal to the U.S. Market, and most of the other markets besides the lowest tier which can not download apps, music, movies, tv shows. In fact, in those locals that they are selling those units there is no iTunes, no App Store and really nothing at all. So my point is that announcing a product that's completely high end knowing it's limited. Why bother? So people who don't have access to any features can say they have an awesome phone? Why bother?
5). I have quite a bit of money riding on the fact that they don't release an absolutely awesome phone with extreme limitations. (I know you didn't have a five, I'm just throwing that in).
You can change that. Profile/Preferences.
Ahh, here's where my life experience come in.
My aunt is using an iPhone 3G. She has to constantly call me to "fix" her phone. She doesn't know that her phone updates apps. Unfortunately it doesn't have much space so I have to tell her to make a choice between deleting her texts, emails, or pictures to do so. She doesn't own a Mac, and she gets horrified if I tell her she needs to delete a picture sent to her in within a text. I have to go through all of them and save them to the camera roll.
I have a younger cousin who has a 4S that texts like crazy and doesn't want to delete any of them. He syncs to a net book. I have to continually tell him to back up his texts and delete them (he'll probably never see or use them but it's a main concern to him).
My Sister has an iPhone 4 that I have to manually update her apps because she downloads so many that they don't fit. I have to always ask her to choose between "so which would you rather have?"
I have two uncles who have iPhones that are constantly calling me to "fix" their phones because there's too many numbers on the "squares".
I think you're too tech minded to understand the common person. Please don't take that as an insult. I guess you just don't run into these situations.
This isn't directed towards you, but I think most of the posters on this site are very far removed from actual life and society.
Thanks bud.
Maybe that could go under the informative tab that is really hard to find on this site.
I deal with these sort of things every… single… day. I've even dealt with plenty of tech issues on this site. Having more space is not going to magically make my techtarded friends and family understand their device more than they already do, and I have to say that I think I understand the iPhone better than you do if you think that iOS takes up 4GiB of space for a fresh install.
The bottom line is that there are plenty of markets where the iPhone is too expensive for a variety of reasons that Apple has found they will have customers if they sell 8GB iPhones. This isn't speculate! This fact! And I've already stated the dates in which they introduced new 8GB iPhones. Will they continue that with the iPhone 5S which is nearing a year old? Maybe, maybe not, but if they do it's a safe bet they feel confident it will sell customer that choose that model.
Most likely you do know quite a bit more than I. I don't think I ever debated that. Perhaps in the life experience thing, which one would have to know to compare.
However, given the costs, how much could offering an 8G model on the top tier phone, TOP TIER phone, drop the price before cutting both Apple's margins and compromising user experience? If the retail cost is a dollar or so to consumers, should they drop the price of the 5S by $50? I only see a lose proposition by doing so.
I understand that they tried to dump unsold units that couldn't be sold in influential markets of older units that had older hardware. I'm just asking why an 8G 5S and why anywhere now that they can dump unsold hardware on a 5C? ...or 6C?
But you don't see a loss when they've offered an 8GB since 2007? The 5C, which arrived at the same time as the 5S is offered as 8GB in certain margins as of just a couple months ago. And if you're concerned about the compromising the UX then the 5C mostly with components form 2012 is definitely going to run slower and have less features than the 5C so its UX would be worse than the 5S.
As for this rumour, I'll mention it again. It's been updated to say it's not accurate so there is absolutely no reason to feel pissed unless you're going to feel pissed because Apple has offered an 8GB phone for in every model except for the iPhone 5 and 5S but the 5s is still within its first year on the market and the iPhone 5 was canceled after a year and replaced with the 5C which does have an 8GB model.
Now if Apple does offer an 8GB iPhone 5S for India and/or China before there is an 8th gen iPhone don't you think they would have had a reason to do so? Remember that China Mobile has massive pull because of the number of subscribers so if Apple feels that an 8GB iPhone will sell well there they would be fools to do it. Our anecdotal experiences mean nothing!
That isn't accurate. There was no dumping of unsold units. They specifically made 8GB iPhones for those markets. There was no one going into iPhone boxes, then prying opens iPhone and then removing NAND so it would be 8GB. Those devices were designed to be 8GB.
PS: My 16GB Retina iPad Mini (T-Mobile), which I have over 9GiB available, appears to use 2.2GiB for iOS v7.1.1. I deduced this by taking the 16GB starting point, then converting to BASE-2 to get 14.9GiB, then minus the capacity listing of 12.7GiB to get 2.2GiB. My 16GB iPhone 5S (AT&T) has a capacity of 12.8GiB which means that iOS v7.1.1 is 2.1GiB. For an 8GB iPhone 5S running iOS v7.1.1 it will have a 7.45GiB capacity, and if we assume the same size OS as on my iPhone we get 5.35GiB remaining for the user. 2.1GiB is not half, it's 28%, slightly over a quarter. Now I don't think 5.35GiB is a lot of space — even though that's fine for my iPad — and I think that last update was far too bulky compared to their past OS releases, but the bottom line is we are not the intended market for these devices so Apple selling an 8GB iPhone 5C just two months ago is not Apple being jerks to their customers.
I'm kind of all done with this. I appreciate your perspective but I'm done. I think I started with an innocent comment, perhaps I didn't. I'm neither well versed or well equipped to continue but I thank you.
It's not a perspective when I'm giving you numbers that you can verify. It's not my opinion that iOS isn't 4GiB, it's a simple fact.
You'd be surprised how many people don't know what the storage space actually means. They get a rough explanation from the phone salesperson and buy what they think they can afford. They only find out later when they realize what they CAN'T do.
Calling someone a moron because they don't know much about tech is like calling a tech person a moron for buying a crappy parachute to go skydiving. Your view is a little one sided my friend. That said, I do however think people should research what they're buying. Unfortunately most people don't. And most people don't understand the polar views when it comes to Apple VS. Other devices by those who do know tech. They literally have no clue that their salesperson could be extremely biased.
“Capacity” and “memory” can be confusing… if you don’t take any time to learn anything whatsoever about them at all. One sentence from a clerk; that’s all you need.
“Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.”
O.k. My friend I get it and you get it. We don't need definitions on a tech site. My point was that the average consumer doesn't understand what it means. Also that the supposed average consumer may mean the life or death of you in the right circumstances. Just don't call them morons.
Perhaps I've seen too much or lived too much, but I have a lot of empathy. It might be the death of me at some point.
Guess you didn’t read the post.
“ALL RIGHT!” the man said, pointing his gun at the other customer. “I’ve had enough snark out of you! I demand you tell me the difference between capacity and memory!”
“Look, buddy, I got this shirt on eBay; I don’t work here…” he began, but the other man hit him with his gun.
“I’ll give you to the count of eight. Or should I say one? I DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!” he screamed, pulling the hammer back despite his gun being an automatic.
“I… I said it already!” said the second man. “Capacity is storage–how much you can put on the device; memory is, roughly, how much you can do at once.”
The gun slowly moved from between the customer’s eyes and the expression on the first man’s face relaxed.
“Oh,” he said. "Guess I didn’t hear you before. And the moron bit?”
“Not you personally,” said the customer. “The uneducated masses in general, of which you’re not now a part.”
“Well, then,” said the man. “Think they’ll let me take an iPhone 6 into jail?”
O.k. My friend. I get it and you get it. My point was and is that the average consumer doesn't understand.
If I were still enlisted I'd have shot him long before that last line... ...and I would have tried to educate anyone severing under me about what transpired.
I've noticed we try to cheat everyone here on home soil. It's sickening.
“Why am I being arrested? He was snotty to me, I tell you! That’s grounds for murder!”
You only get arrested because of U.S. Law. Elsewhere you wouldn't have the chance to ask why.
...and if you were murdered somewhere other than the U.S., by whom? Who could show you were killed?
You would be considered lucky to be captured by U.S. Soldiers instead of local authorities. At the very least you would be fed (not killed), housed and our internal justice system works externally in foreign nations. You wouldn't have any phone, or any electronic during that time though. Not that anyone ever does.
So no worries about an iPhone 6. Also, most of those leaked pictures are coming from people who are literally putting their life on the line. You don't understand how little the government over there considers their citizens. A lot of people will die because of Tim's concern about security. Literally, get caught and die.