Believe it or not, people of all stripes like Apple and use their devices. The typical stereotype that all Mac users are liberals is not accurate at all, and I'm glad to do my part in dispelling that myth. There are many famous and high profile non-liberals who are Apple users.
You're right about that, but it sometimes bothers me when people suggest that civil rights and/or environmental sustainability are "liberal" issues when that's not necessarily the case.
I'm very much a centrist (in that I think some solutions come from the left, and some from the right and I don't really have a core ideological view about that) - but I would say that some issues are sensible and logical no matter what your political persuasion. Of course, others may disagree, but I can't think of many reasons for someone to legitimately argue against (for example) Apple attempting to make as much of their products as recyclable as possible. Sometimes it's not about ideology, but rather, it's about some ideas simply being pretty bad and some being pretty good.
What if for some reason the majority of the employees at Hobby Lobby were gay/lesbian, and felt that paying for contraceptives was unfair because there's no way for them to get pregnant?
Okay. Then don't use contraception. I'll never have a hysterectomy, but the insurance I have probably covers that in some fashion.
Believe it or not, people of all stripes like Apple and use their devices. The typical stereotype that all Mac users are liberals is not accurate at all, and I'm glad to do my part in dispelling that myth. There are many famous and high profile non-liberals who are Apple users. Unless somebody is completely ignorant, I'm not sure why that should be a big surprise to anybody.
I see that you're still clinging to your ridiculous and laughable theory that I'm somehow a paid troll, and the source for your ludicrous assertion is "Conrad Joe"." src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Of course, others may disagree, but I can't think of many reasons for someone to legitimately argue against (for example) Apple attempting to make as much of their products as recyclable as possible.
I don't have a problem with Apple making their products as recyclable as possible. But I don't agree with certain other positions that liberals often hold on environmental issues, such as "global warming", nuclear power, drilling for oil etc.
"You're right about that, but it sometimes bothers me when people suggest that civil rights and/or environmental sustainability are "liberal" issues when that's not necessarily the case."
?You are correct when it comes to the American people...but not in Congress.
I don't have a problem with Apple making their products as recyclable as possible. But I don't agree with certain other positions that liberals often hold on environmental issues, such as "global warming", nuclear power, drilling for oil etc.
Global warming is not a "liberal issue". Climate change is a fact that all climate scientists agree with worldwide -- with a few outliers who all happen to be on the payroll of major oil companies. Nuclear power? Why don't you move near Fukushima, Chernobyl or Three Mile Island. It's just incredible to see people display so much stupidity. Congratulations.
I don't have a problem with Apple making their products as recyclable as possible. But I don't agree with certain other positions that liberals often hold on environmental issues, such as "global warming", nuclear power, drilling for oil etc.
What can you debunk? To say only a man and woman can procreate is hardly something up for debate. That's the part of my post you quoted. Maybe you need a sex education class. The reason laws get overturned in court has to do with our extremely liberal court system. These laws aren't about two people loving each other they are about gays getting the same federal benefits as everyone else that is married. Try to educated yourself because that was the issue in front of the SCOTUS.
Like I said in some of my previous posts on here, while the US may not be the best when it comes to civil liberties take a look at other countries and maybe focus on the real problems around the world. To end all this bullshit our federal government needs to grow some balls and simply create one law for the entire US instead of letting the states battle over this stupid issue.
The fact that this world was become so screwed up that we actually have to define marriage at a federal level is the really sad and pathetic issue. You act like settling something in a courtroom makes the judgment correct. Like to see your point of view on that when ti comes to Apple vs Samsung.
People want to argue that it is natural to be gay, the last time i checked natural means intended by nature. Taking all religion out of the picture being gay was clearly not intended by nature. If the majority of humans were gay guess what you and I wouldn't be having this debate because we wouldn't be here. Religion has nothing to do with this topic it has everything to do with nature and the survival of a species. Which is really hard to argue or debate.
Lets stop pretending this is a civil rights issue, it's a federal benefits issue. It's a civil rights humanitarian issue when people are being killed or put in jail because they are gay. Which again I point out the US isn't on that list. However I wonder how many on this forum live in a country that is on that list. Let Tim Cook go over to Iran and fight this issue, it would take about two days before his head came back in a box.
It's the part I quoted because it was the dumbest in your avalanche of idiocy.
If you're going to say that two people have to be able to procreate in order to get married, then sterile men or menopausal women should also be excluded, shouldn't they? Besides, who do you think you are to edict that rule? Barren straight couples can adopt, and so can gay couples. And some gay parents resort to IVF. Besides, the whole point is moot, the batte has been fought and won, get over it. You're a dinosaur, and the rest of the world can't wait for you and your antiquated, narrow minded ideas to die off.
Yes, it is natural to be gay. If you had ever spent any time on a farm you would know that. There are gay animals in the wild. That's natural enough for you?
It's a civil rights issue to have the same rights and responsibilities as other couples. And when one is as ignorant as you are, one STFU.
It's the part I quoted because it was the dumbest in your avalanche of idiocy.
If you're going to say that two people have to be able to procreate in order to get married, then sterile men or menopausal women should also be excluded, shouldn't they? Besides, who do you think you are to edict that rule? Barren straight couples can adopt, and so can gay couples. And some gay parents resort to IVF. Besides, the whole point is moot, the batte has been fought and won, get over it. You're a dinosaur, and the rest of the world can't wait for you and your antiquated, narrow minded ideas to die off.
Yes, it is natural to be gay. If you had ever spent any time on a farm you would know that. There are gay animals in the wild. That's natural enough for you?
It's a civil rights issue to have the same rights and responsibilities as other couples. And when one is as ignorant as you are, one STFU.
Your argument is idiotic not even worth a reply. You're just to dumb or blind to get it.
Tell that to Flaneur, because he certainly pays attention to what I do.
That's your argument with him, not with me. It's a quality product. I think that's why most people buy it. Making a computer choice political seems odd to me.
So you have things that you agree with & disagree with from both parties? Your independent? Name some, just for the hell of it.
I am pro death penalty.
I am anti-abortion (not for religious reasons, I am not religious.) But this issue is not really that big of a deal, as it is mostly liberals that are being aborted, so I am ok with that.
I am pro marijuana.
I am anti-illegals.
I am pro American supremacy.
I am anti-third world religious dictatorships.
I am pro first amendment and pro second amendment.
That's your argument with him, not with me. It's a quality product. I think that's why most people buy it. Making a computer choice political seems odd to me.
I agree, which is precisely why I find it strange that some people try to give me a hard time, merely because they don't agree with my politics.
I like Apple, and that's all the reason that I need to be on this site.
So you have things that you agree with & disagree with from both parties? Your independent? Name some, just for the hell of it.
I'm an independent so I will give this a shot. I disagree with conservatives when it come to war. The US has a bad habit of trying to police the world and attempt to create democracy. We need to worry about our country and stay out of others business. My one exception if people in another country need humanitarian relief due do a disaster, then we should help as much as possible.
What bothers me from the liberal side has everything to do with the economy. Only half of our population pays federal taxes, we have the lowest employment participation rate in 35 years. We have 47 million americans in poverty and the same on food stamps. We need to get our shit together and get the government out of the free market private sector.
Immigration reform. Conservatives need to make peace with the fact we have 12 million people in the country that are illegal. There is no way in hell we are going to deport them so lets make it work so we can make them productive and get them on the books to pay taxes. If they haven't committed a crime then I don't see a reason to try and waste money on something we can't fix.
For both parties get your shit together with border patrol. Lets use our military for that instead of sending them all over the world for no good reason.
The big topic of this thread, social issues. Either make gay marriage legal or define it as two people of the opposite sex. I don't agree with gay marriage that is my point of view. If it became a federal law that was defined I certainly would't think about it or honestly even care. It's not my battle. I have stated my opinion but that doesn't mean others have to agree with it, and I respect their opinion when they can present it without flipping out.
I could go on with healthcare but this post would be 10 pages long. Healthcare for everyone really should be this hard or that much of an issue, we are the richest country in the world.
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Believe it or not, people of all stripes like Apple and use their devices. The typical stereotype that all Mac users are liberals is not accurate at all, and I'm glad to do my part in dispelling that myth. There are many famous and high profile non-liberals who are Apple users.
You're right about that, but it sometimes bothers me when people suggest that civil rights and/or environmental sustainability are "liberal" issues when that's not necessarily the case.
I'm very much a centrist (in that I think some solutions come from the left, and some from the right and I don't really have a core ideological view about that) - but I would say that some issues are sensible and logical no matter what your political persuasion. Of course, others may disagree, but I can't think of many reasons for someone to legitimately argue against (for example) Apple attempting to make as much of their products as recyclable as possible. Sometimes it's not about ideology, but rather, it's about some ideas simply being pretty bad and some being pretty good.
What if for some reason the majority of the employees at Hobby Lobby were gay/lesbian, and felt that paying for contraceptives was unfair because there's no way for them to get pregnant?
Okay. Then don't use contraception. I'll never have a hysterectomy, but the insurance I have probably covers that in some fashion.
Believe it or not, people of all stripes like Apple and use their devices. The typical stereotype that all Mac users are liberals is not accurate at all, and I'm glad to do my part in dispelling that myth. There are many famous and high profile non-liberals who are Apple users. Unless somebody is completely ignorant, I'm not sure why that should be a big surprise to anybody.
I see that you're still clinging to your ridiculous and laughable theory that I'm somehow a paid troll, and the source for your ludicrous assertion is "Conrad Joe".
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Who gives a shit.
Who gives a shit.
You do.
Of course, others may disagree, but I can't think of many reasons for someone to legitimately argue against (for example) Apple attempting to make as much of their products as recyclable as possible.
I don't have a problem with Apple making their products as recyclable as possible. But I don't agree with certain other positions that liberals often hold on environmental issues, such as "global warming", nuclear power, drilling for oil etc.
"You're right about that, but it sometimes bothers me when people suggest that civil rights and/or environmental sustainability are "liberal" issues when that's not necessarily the case."
?You are correct when it comes to the American people...but not in Congress.
You do.
No, I don't. I could care less what you purchase & why.
I don't have a problem with Apple making their products as recyclable as possible. But I don't agree with certain other positions that liberals often hold on environmental issues, such as "global warming", nuclear power, drilling for oil etc.
Global warming is not a "liberal issue". Climate change is a fact that all climate scientists agree with worldwide -- with a few outliers who all happen to be on the payroll of major oil companies. Nuclear power? Why don't you move near Fukushima, Chernobyl or Three Mile Island. It's just incredible to see people display so much stupidity. Congratulations.
I don't have a problem with Apple making their products as recyclable as possible. But I don't agree with certain other positions that liberals often hold on environmental issues, such as "global warming", nuclear power, drilling for oil etc.
You are not all conservatives.
You are not all conservatives.
Of course I'm not, I'm one person.
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I wouldn't even classify myself as a conservative, as I don't agree with many conservative positions.
No, I don't. I could care less what you purchase & why.
Tell that to Flaneur, because he certainly pays attention to what I do.
What can you debunk? To say only a man and woman can procreate is hardly something up for debate. That's the part of my post you quoted. Maybe you need a sex education class. The reason laws get overturned in court has to do with our extremely liberal court system. These laws aren't about two people loving each other they are about gays getting the same federal benefits as everyone else that is married. Try to educated yourself because that was the issue in front of the SCOTUS.
Like I said in some of my previous posts on here, while the US may not be the best when it comes to civil liberties take a look at other countries and maybe focus on the real problems around the world. To end all this bullshit our federal government needs to grow some balls and simply create one law for the entire US instead of letting the states battle over this stupid issue.
The fact that this world was become so screwed up that we actually have to define marriage at a federal level is the really sad and pathetic issue. You act like settling something in a courtroom makes the judgment correct. Like to see your point of view on that when ti comes to Apple vs Samsung.
People want to argue that it is natural to be gay, the last time i checked natural means intended by nature. Taking all religion out of the picture being gay was clearly not intended by nature. If the majority of humans were gay guess what you and I wouldn't be having this debate because we wouldn't be here. Religion has nothing to do with this topic it has everything to do with nature and the survival of a species. Which is really hard to argue or debate.
Lets stop pretending this is a civil rights issue, it's a federal benefits issue. It's a civil rights humanitarian issue when people are being killed or put in jail because they are gay. Which again I point out the US isn't on that list. However I wonder how many on this forum live in a country that is on that list. Let Tim Cook go over to Iran and fight this issue, it would take about two days before his head came back in a box.
It's the part I quoted because it was the dumbest in your avalanche of idiocy.
If you're going to say that two people have to be able to procreate in order to get married, then sterile men or menopausal women should also be excluded, shouldn't they? Besides, who do you think you are to edict that rule? Barren straight couples can adopt, and so can gay couples. And some gay parents resort to IVF. Besides, the whole point is moot, the batte has been fought and won, get over it. You're a dinosaur, and the rest of the world can't wait for you and your antiquated, narrow minded ideas to die off.
Yes, it is natural to be gay. If you had ever spent any time on a farm you would know that. There are gay animals in the wild. That's natural enough for you?
It's a civil rights issue to have the same rights and responsibilities as other couples. And when one is as ignorant as you are, one STFU.
Of course I'm not, I'm one person.
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I wouldn't even classify myself as a conservative, as I don't agree with many conservative positions.
So you have things that you agree with & disagree with from both parties? Your independent? Name some, just for the hell of it.
It's the part I quoted because it was the dumbest in your avalanche of idiocy.
If you're going to say that two people have to be able to procreate in order to get married, then sterile men or menopausal women should also be excluded, shouldn't they? Besides, who do you think you are to edict that rule? Barren straight couples can adopt, and so can gay couples. And some gay parents resort to IVF. Besides, the whole point is moot, the batte has been fought and won, get over it. You're a dinosaur, and the rest of the world can't wait for you and your antiquated, narrow minded ideas to die off.
Yes, it is natural to be gay. If you had ever spent any time on a farm you would know that. There are gay animals in the wild. That's natural enough for you?
It's a civil rights issue to have the same rights and responsibilities as other couples. And when one is as ignorant as you are, one STFU.
Your argument is idiotic not even worth a reply. You're just to dumb or blind to get it.
Tell that to Flaneur, because he certainly pays attention to what I do.
That's your argument with him, not with me. It's a quality product. I think that's why most people buy it. Making a computer choice political seems odd to me.
So you have things that you agree with & disagree with from both parties? Your independent? Name some, just for the hell of it.
I am pro death penalty.
I am anti-abortion (not for religious reasons, I am not religious.) But this issue is not really that big of a deal, as it is mostly liberals that are being aborted, so I am ok with that.
I am pro marijuana.
I am anti-illegals.
I am pro American supremacy.
I am anti-third world religious dictatorships.
I am pro first amendment and pro second amendment.
I am pro capitalism.
I am anti-socialist.
I am anti-communist.
I am anti-nazis.
I am anti-Political correctness.
I could go on, but you get the idea.
That's your argument with him, not with me. It's a quality product. I think that's why most people buy it. Making a computer choice political seems odd to me.
I agree, which is precisely why I find it strange that some people try to give me a hard time, merely because they don't agree with my politics.
I like Apple, and that's all the reason that I need to be on this site.
Your argument is idiotic not even worth a reply. You're just to dumb or blind to get it.
procreate |?pr?kr???t| verb [ no obj. ](of people or animals) produce young; reproduce: species that procreate by copulation.
So you have things that you agree with & disagree with from both parties? Your independent? Name some, just for the hell of it.
I'm an independent so I will give this a shot. I disagree with conservatives when it come to war. The US has a bad habit of trying to police the world and attempt to create democracy. We need to worry about our country and stay out of others business. My one exception if people in another country need humanitarian relief due do a disaster, then we should help as much as possible.
What bothers me from the liberal side has everything to do with the economy. Only half of our population pays federal taxes, we have the lowest employment participation rate in 35 years. We have 47 million americans in poverty and the same on food stamps. We need to get our shit together and get the government out of the free market private sector.
Immigration reform. Conservatives need to make peace with the fact we have 12 million people in the country that are illegal. There is no way in hell we are going to deport them so lets make it work so we can make them productive and get them on the books to pay taxes. If they haven't committed a crime then I don't see a reason to try and waste money on something we can't fix.
For both parties get your shit together with border patrol. Lets use our military for that instead of sending them all over the world for no good reason.
The big topic of this thread, social issues. Either make gay marriage legal or define it as two people of the opposite sex. I don't agree with gay marriage that is my point of view. If it became a federal law that was defined I certainly would't think about it or honestly even care. It's not my battle. I have stated my opinion but that doesn't mean others have to agree with it, and I respect their opinion when they can present it without flipping out.
I could go on with healthcare but this post would be 10 pages long. Healthcare for everyone really should be this hard or that much of an issue, we are the richest country in the world.
So not exactly extreme posts of view.
procreate |?pr?kr???t| verb [ no obj. ](of people or animals) produce young; reproduce: species that procreate by copulation.
Showing me something from dictionary.com doesn't tell me what point you are trying to make