I don't think his reaction is unreasonable at all. For the entire time he was on Apple's board, Campbell refused to create a version of his company's core product - Quicken - that was anywhere near feature parity on a Mac with the Windows version of the product. In fact, for well over a year after Apple no longer supported running non-Intel-optimized applications on it's then-current OS, Quicken didn't run at all with that OS. Those of us who depended upon Quicken to manage our financial lives were forced to remain on an older OS and refrain from upgrading our computers (which generally wouldn't work with anything older than the then-current OS) in order to keep the application working. All of this more than four years after Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel processors. When they finally fixed this, it was with a crappy patch to a piece of software that was at the time more than five years old, and it took another year after that for the patched version to become stable on the Mac.
Many Mac users (myself included) have been confounded by the utter contempt that Intuit has exhibited towards us for years, and all the more so by the fact that Bill Campbell, Intuit's Chairman, is on Apple's board. Why nobody at Apple ever managed to get him to make a commitment to supporting the company's computers with his software is beyond me, but I, for one, am glad to see him go. It won't change the fact that Quicken on a Mac is still a POS, but at least my blood won't boil when I see him reelected to the board every year!
Okay so your upset that one program that is important to you isn't as good as the Windows version but whatever the reason for Quicken not being properly developed for OSX, there are still ways to run the Windows version on a Mac as stated by a few people already. It's silly to get so upset over such a trivial problem when there are so many suitable solutions available to you. There are many programs that currently only run on Window's that I would like to see for OSX but instead of getting upset about it I adapt and over come. Either use Wine, Virtual-Box or buy a cheap Windows device, the Dell Venue 8 Pro costs 230 dollars (don't forget the stylus, it's worth it), just connect it to your monitor, sync your bluetooth mouse and keyboard, install Quicken and go to work. Don't ever want to see the Dell, then just turn it on, shove it in a drawer and use a remote desktop to connect to it through your Mac.
Wow. AI pulled my comment about the bad syntax in this article. But they didn't correct the bad sentence. I guess they don't mind rants about people in the news and the comments readers post, but are a little too sensitive about being criticized themselves. The tune of our times: selective freedom of speech. (At least you got to read this before it too got pulled.)
Wow. AI pulled my comment about the bad syntax in this article. But they didn't correct the bad sentence.
I guess they don't mind rants about people in the news and the comments readers post, but are a little too sensitive about being criticized themselves.
The tune of our times: selective freedom of speech.
(At least you got to read this before it too got pulled.)
People complaining about grammar and spelling just add noise to the thread. Your complaint was about:
"Fortune published an interview in which the Intuit chairman describes his time in Cupertino, relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs and "coach" to silicon valley elite"
I gather you'd have been happy with:
"Fortune published an interview in which the Intuit chairman describes his time in Cupertino, relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs and role as "coach" to silicon valley elite"
The abbreviated sentence should be meaningful when expanded out like:
his time in Cupertino
his relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs
his role as "coach" to silicon valley elite
The original would have read "his "coach" to silicon valley elite" but you can see what the sentence means. Maybe articles should have a suggestions button for these kind of corrections but snarky remarks about the competency of the staff in the thread over such minor mistakes aren't necessary.
<span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;">I don't think his reaction is unreasonable at all. For the entire time he was on Apple's board, Campbell refused to create a version of his company's core product - Quicken - that was anywhere near feature parity on a Mac with the Windows version of the product. In fact, for well over a year after Apple no longer supported running non-Intel-optimized applications on it's then-current OS, Quicken didn't run at all with that OS. Those of us who depended upon Quicken to manage our financial lives were forced to remain on an older OS and refrain from upgrading our computers (which generally wouldn't work with anything older than the then-current OS) in order to keep the application working. All of this more than four years after Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel processors. When they finally fixed this, it was with a crappy patch to a piece of software that was at the time more than five years old, and it took another year after that for the patched version to become stable on the Mac.</span>
Many Mac users (myself included) have been confounded by the utter contempt that Intuit has exhibited towards us for years, and all the more so by the fact that Bill Campbell, Intuit's Chairman, is on Apple's board. Why nobody at Apple ever managed to get him to make a commitment to supporting the company's computers with his software is beyond me, but I, for one, am glad to see him go. It won't change the fact that Quicken on a Mac is still a POS, but at least my blood won't boil when I see him reelected to the board every year!
You do realize that the BOD is not involved in the day-to-day management of the company. As chairman of Intuit, Campbell could not directly cause Intuit to implement Mac software. Rather, he could recommend to the board and to the CEO that they consider implementing Mac software.
Before making such a recommendation, Campbell would have studied the issue to assure that it was a viable opportunity for Intuit -- more likely, he would have recommended to the CEO that they investigate the opportunity.
Acting as Chairman of the Intuit BOD, Campbell's responsibility is to Intuit and its shareholders -- not to Apple.
So, we do not know if Campbell:
tried and was rejected
tried and a viable business case could not be made
never tried at all
I met the "coach" on two occasions, a dinner for top Apple dealers (business/social), and business-only.
The second involved a joint project between Apple and my company. It was rather a dicey meeting because the project was being terminated for causes not related to the viability of the project, itself.
I found Bill to be fair and reasonable! While not happy about the results, I was satisfied that they were the best for all involved.
People complaining about grammar and spelling just add noise to the thread. Your complaint was about:
"Fortune published an interview in which the Intuit chairman describes his time in Cupertino, relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs and "coach" to silicon valley elite"
I gather you'd have been happy with:
"Fortune published an interview in which the Intuit chairman describes his time in Cupertino, relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs and role as "coach" to silicon valley elite"
The abbreviated sentence should be meaningful when expanded out like:
his time in Cupertino
his relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs
his role as "coach" to silicon valley elite
The original would have read "his "coach" to silicon valley elite" but you can see what the sentence means. Maybe articles should have a suggestions button for these kind of corrections but snarky remarks about the competency of the staff in the thread over such minor mistakes aren't necessary.
Well, at least you have a good grasp of English grammar and syntax.
What you missed, though, is that the "snarky remark" was only because they pulled my original comment.
Now about your criticism of my attitude towards this . . .
Find it strange that everybody is talking about the outgoing guy and no one about the incoming person.
she is a founder of a management and investment group. Nothing to do with tech but everything with the new direction apple is taking. It seems to be another sign that Cook is turning apple into a fully fledged corporation. With all the right ties to businesses, investment and corporate world (IBM deal and now this). I don't see that as bad, but there are dangers in it. Apple is too big to be a company, and needs to become a corporation. The danger is that they take the corporation mentality (Microsoft, HP, Samsung, and others outside tech). If Cook manages to keep the right balance between innovation, swiftness, focus and product care and design with business, investors etc then he might have a new type of company under his tenure. But I don't envy him.
Part of black rock in the board might be due to people like Icahn being investors and in general the global reach apple has achieved in the last years, as well as the expansions in markets like china.
A very insightful and savvy post!
Tim is educated as an engineer and in management. He has corporate experience working for IBM, IE, Compaq and Apple.
Steve built Apple2 into a finely-tuned engine running on all cylinders -- his best creation is Apple2, itself -- the people and vision that make it work.
Tim has the opportunity to use Apple2 as raw material for an even greater vision -- the responsible and successful organization of the future.
I believe he is up to the job -- and that in 5 years we'll say: "sure, it's obvious -- all organizations should be like that!"
Apple3 -- is being created before our eyes ... We need to watch, learn and act ...
What you missed, though, is that the "snarky remark" was only because they pulled my original comment.
I removed the original comment. That's the one I was describing as snarky as you suggested AI needs a new editor. We know the proof-reading is not as good as it could be, the point has been raised many times but taking jabs at the authors every time it happens doesn't make the problem stop, it just adds off-topic comments to a thread. The authors can be contacted directly if there are important corrections to be made:
I removed the original comment. That's the one I was describing as snarky as you suggested AI needs a new editor. We know the proof-reading is not as good as it could be, the point has been raised many times but taking jabs at the authors every time it happens doesn't make the problem stop, it just adds off-topic comments to a thread. The authors can be contacted directly if there are important corrections to be made:
I do apologize if I offended anyone. That was not my intention. I see now that my words were much more harsh than they should have been. Please forgive me.
My motivation, though, was due to the fact that I appreciate the news about Apple products and the company that you provide and the opportunity to comment and read the comments of others and I think it's a shame that sometimes articles are posted that contain grammatical or syntactical errors. I know very well that AI is not the only site with this problem, and I know as well that there is a lot of pressure to post news as quickly as possible. I just think that these errors detract from the overall image of the site.
Again, though, I regret any offense that my remarks gave.
I'd be curious to know what accounting software Apple uses for their own company, and on which operating system.
We first went to Apple Bandley 1 in June 1978 -- as we drove up 2 guys left by a side door and went the building next door ...
They each were carrying an IBM Disk Pack (cartridge) -- I mentioned to my wife that these were what we used on the maimframes at the IBM Palo Alto Systems Center (where I worked for IBM, at the time).
So, I assume, that even back then they were running on an IBM 1130 Mini (1130 OS?) or an IBM/360 (360 DOS) -- and, likely, wrote their own apps with RPG, COBoL, etc.
Okay so your upset that one program that is important to you isn't as good as the Windows version but whatever the reason for Quicken not being properly developed for OSX, there are still ways to run the Windows version on a Mac as stated by a few people already. It's silly to get so upset over such a trivial problem when there are so many suitable solutions available to you. There are many programs that currently only run on Window's that I would like to see for OSX but instead of getting upset about it I adapt and over come. Either use Wine, Virtual-Box or buy a cheap Windows device, the Dell Venue 8 Pro costs 230 dollars (don't forget the stylus, it's worth it), just connect it to your monitor, sync your bluetooth mouse and keyboard, install Quicken and go to work. Don't ever want to see the Dell, then just turn it on, shove it in a drawer and use a remote desktop to connect to it through your Mac.
Attitudes like this are why Mac users can't have nice things.
The correct answer is that Quicken doesn't exist on OS X, and to try one of the Mac alternatives.
Telling a Mac user to use Windows is just wrong. It's just enabling companies like Intuit to ignore the Mac market.
Attitudes like this are why Mac users can't have nice things.
The correct answer is that Quicken doesn't exist on OS X, and to try one of the Mac alternatives.
Telling a Mac user to use Windows is just wrong. It's just enabling companies like Intuit to ignore the Mac market.
Relic will always recommend non-Apple products. In this instance, the software isn't available on the Mac so there's little choice. It's much the same with games. If you want a good gaming experience with low prices and software availability, Windows is still the best option.
Web-based accounting makes things a lot easier though as there's no platform issues and no need to install software on a machine to see or update accounts. Putting some of the data online is risky, especially if the servers of the company you rely on go down when you have a filing deadline. They also hold your data to ransom, many won't let you do full offline backups because they don't like the idea of someone migrating it to a competing product.
I actually think it would be good if someone made an offline product that worked as a server. Intuit makes $4b per year so there's enough of a demand for another big player to get involved e.g Microsoft. For all their faults, at least Microsoft commits to making Mac products with close to feature parity with the Windows versions and more importantly, file compatibility.
Macs are easy to setup as servers, they can have a database and you'd setup a product on a single machine. Everyone else in the office would be able to logon to the machine locally, even from Windows machines or tablets/smartphones. For outside access, the data can be synced to a cloud service or it can work over VPN.
The only way to force Intuit's hand is to compete with them. The accounting market isn't huge in unit volume vs the consumer market but when it's expanded to include personal accounting, it can apply to most adults. Microsoft can tie it in with Excel and they can simply call it Microsoft Accounts. If Microsoft got into this market, they'd wipe Intuit out. An extra $4b doesn't do much to their $78b per year but it helps.
Well yes and no, if you noticed I only bring up other products when their being discussed, even then it's mostly in the click bait stories where every single person has a contest to see how many negative adjectives they can spew out on the subject. I'm just trying to bring a little balance to the conversation by stating not every thing none Apple sucks. I'm also a mega gadget freak and will, have never just used one single company for my needs. It's how I stay sharp and up to date on every OS, hardware and software that looks interesting and I can get my hands on. Stating that I will always recommend non-Apple products is simply not correct, I think everyone should own a MacBook and iPad but that also doesn't mean that I think other products aren't at least decent. In the case of Quicken, using a cheap machine, Wine or a virtual machine with Windows is a perfectly acceptable solution. I happen to know Wine works very well with Quicken for Windows on OSX, Intuit will probably one day have a better version but until then either use the solutions I provided or another product. Complaining about it is just silly and counter productive, especially wishing someone who has given part of his life to a company for so long such ill will because of a single program, well, there just isn't any words for that type of behavior.
Someone just mentions that the Macbook Air has the best battery life of any computer and you take issue with that mentioning non-Apple products with better battery life, except you mention a product with a custom 9-cell battery. You go far out of your way to make sure Apple is not seen as the best at anything. You say things like the iPad is good but the Surface Pro 3 is better because it's a full computer.
I'm just trying to bring a little balance to the conversation by stating not every thing none Apple sucks.
An Apple forum doesn't need balance, there's a reason it's an Apple forum. Platform neutral sites like Engadget, Reddit, The Verge, Cnet need balance. It's also in your own mind that people here think everything that isn't made by Apple sucks. The preference is towards Apple products and not supporting their competitors.
Stating that I will always recommend non-Apple products is simply not correct, I think everyone should own a MacBook and iPad
Then it makes your recommendations of alternatives irrelevant because the vast majority of people simply don't buy multiple computers, tablets or phones.
Complaining about it is just silly and counter productive, especially wishing someone who has given part of his life to a company for so long such ill will because of a single program, well, there just isn't any words for that type of behavior.
He was a board member, they only have about 15-20 meetings a year and they get paid pretty well for that service:
Quarter of a million dollars (or more depending on what they sell the stock for) for essentially a week's work is worth signing on for. Not that this amount of money is significant to these people but being a board member is hardly a significant contribution of time. The criticism of the products from Intuit is justified. Bill Campbell was Intuit's CEO at one point and as chairman, he still has significant influence over the company. To be a board member at Apple and have such influence with a leading company selling accounting products and not support the Mac platform properly deserves criticism as well as his support of Google.
I can't help feeling that had Bill spent more time focusing on his own company rather than coaching others, perhaps after all these years the Mac version could have been on par or even better than PC version. In all the years I have worked with Macs the biggest complaint from PC switchers (and I say this anecdotally as I have never used any product from Intuit personally) has been that Quicken and QuickBooks suck on the Mac compared to their PC versions. That was often the only complaint! As a board member at Apple this is mind blowing to me and beyond comprehension.
"Anyhow, a full-featured Quicken for Mac is never going to happen."
Actually, Intuit has been developing a new version of Quicken for Mac for the past year. They're building on the more modern Quicken Essentials code base, and adding the functionality from the legacy Quicken for Mac products (like handling investments). The first release of the new Quicken will probably occur this quarter, with additional free updates in subsequent quarters as they continue to add functionality.
So then what do you ask of me, it seems that I tarnished the board with my none conforming ways. Would you like me to finally move on after 12 years of being a member here. I do admit that I bring up none Apple products more then I should, it's just the attitude of this board has changed so much over the last few years. Going from excited about Apple products in general to a superiority complex of we're now the best, join us or die. Maybe it's time to take a break from posting in top news stories. I'll start hanging out in the help and technical sections as I can probably be of more use down there.
Oh I know, I start my own little corner, called Relic's Take, a social commentary. I like writing, look for it in AppleOutsider, coming soon.
So then what do you ask of me, it seems that I tarnished the board with my none conforming ways. Would you like me to finally move on after 12 years of being a member here. I do admit that I bring up none Apple products more then I should, it's just the attitude of this board has changed so much over the last few years. Going from excited about Apple products in general to a superiority complex of we're now the best, join us or die. Maybe it's time to take a break from posting in top news stories. I'll start hanging out in the help and technical sections as I can probably be of more use down there.
Oh I know, I start my own little corner, called Relic's Take, a social commentary. I like writing, look for it in AppleOutsider, coming soon.
I don't really see the attitude of superiority you're describing nor that the forum has changed much over the years. As I've described before, a forum like this is like in sports where the team here has blue shirts and the other team, typically members of other forums, has green. If someone in the green shirt wanders over to the blue team's part of the stadium and starts talking about the merits of the other team, how do you expect them to react? Maybe at times the blue team will suggest their team is the best but it's because they are supporters, that's the nature of the game. There may be times when criticism is warranted but doing it perpetually just serves to annoy people.
There's no need to move somewhere else at all, just be more respectful towards other forum members in accepting that they are not looking for constant alternatives to their preferences. People aren't deluded into thinking Apple is the best where it's not warranted, they choose to support Apple. If the discussion skews too much towards what some people call neutral territory, threads just end up getting derailed into promoting Android or Windows or something that most people on an Apple forum don't really care about.
It's important to have the right motive if you want to get something out of being a member of the forum too. If the motive is to drive discussion into promoting alternative products or companies then there's nothing to be gained being a member because people who sign up to a forum about one company aren't undecided voters so they aren't likely to casually switch sides. That doesn't mean 'join us or die', it just means people have their preference and people need to be respectful of it.
Oh I know, I start my own little corner, called Relic's Take, a social commentary.
Relic’s Quary, maybe? Though that brings up thoughts of dusty, forgotten things.
Originally Posted by Marvin
As I've described before, a forum like this is like in sports where the team here has blue shirts and the other team, typically members of other forums, has green. If someone in the green shirt wanders over to the blue team's part of the stadium and starts talking about the merits of the other team, how do you expect them to react? Maybe at times the blue team will suggest their team is the best but it's because they are supporters, that's the nature of the game. There may be times when criticism is warranted but doing it perpetually just serves to annoy people.
Relevant:
I’m with Jerry; I’ve never understood this (in sports). For the few people there about which I care at all (not many, not much), I follow them, not the team. I don’t care where I live or whatever.
Here, though, I totally get it. Though I was booing him when he was on my team and cheering now that he’s off.
"Anyhow, a full-featured Quicken for Mac is never going to happen."
Actually, Intuit has been developing a new version of Quicken for Mac for the past year. They're building on the more modern Quicken Essentials code base, and adding the functionality from the legacy Quicken for Mac products (like handling investments). The first release of the new Quicken will probably occur this quarter, with additional free updates in subsequent quarters as they continue to add functionality.
Is there any actual confirmation of this?
Quicken Essentials for Mac was introduced in February 2010. We're about to enter August of 2014.
They couldn't add features - which they had already designed and coded - into another product in less than three and a half years?
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I don't think his reaction is unreasonable at all. For the entire time he was on Apple's board, Campbell refused to create a version of his company's core product - Quicken - that was anywhere near feature parity on a Mac with the Windows version of the product. In fact, for well over a year after Apple no longer supported running non-Intel-optimized applications on it's then-current OS, Quicken didn't run at all with that OS. Those of us who depended upon Quicken to manage our financial lives were forced to remain on an older OS and refrain from upgrading our computers (which generally wouldn't work with anything older than the then-current OS) in order to keep the application working. All of this more than four years after Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel processors. When they finally fixed this, it was with a crappy patch to a piece of software that was at the time more than five years old, and it took another year after that for the patched version to become stable on the Mac.
Many Mac users (myself included) have been confounded by the utter contempt that Intuit has exhibited towards us for years, and all the more so by the fact that Bill Campbell, Intuit's Chairman, is on Apple's board. Why nobody at Apple ever managed to get him to make a commitment to supporting the company's computers with his software is beyond me, but I, for one, am glad to see him go. It won't change the fact that Quicken on a Mac is still a POS, but at least my blood won't boil when I see him reelected to the board every year!
Okay so your upset that one program that is important to you isn't as good as the Windows version but whatever the reason for Quicken not being properly developed for OSX, there are still ways to run the Windows version on a Mac as stated by a few people already. It's silly to get so upset over such a trivial problem when there are so many suitable solutions available to you. There are many programs that currently only run on Window's that I would like to see for OSX but instead of getting upset about it I adapt and over come. Either use Wine, Virtual-Box or buy a cheap Windows device, the Dell Venue 8 Pro costs 230 dollars (don't forget the stylus, it's worth it), just connect it to your monitor, sync your bluetooth mouse and keyboard, install Quicken and go to work. Don't ever want to see the Dell, then just turn it on, shove it in a drawer and use a remote desktop to connect to it through your Mac.
I guess they don't mind rants about people in the news and the comments readers post, but are a little too sensitive about being criticized themselves.
The tune of our times: selective freedom of speech.
(At least you got to read this before it too got pulled.)
People complaining about grammar and spelling just add noise to the thread. Your complaint was about:
"Fortune published an interview in which the Intuit chairman describes his time in Cupertino, relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs and "coach" to silicon valley elite"
I gather you'd have been happy with:
"Fortune published an interview in which the Intuit chairman describes his time in Cupertino, relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs and role as "coach" to silicon valley elite"
The abbreviated sentence should be meaningful when expanded out like:
his time in Cupertino
his relationship with cofounder Steve Jobs
his role as "coach" to silicon valley elite
The original would have read "his "coach" to silicon valley elite" but you can see what the sentence means. Maybe articles should have a suggestions button for these kind of corrections but snarky remarks about the competency of the staff in the thread over such minor mistakes aren't necessary.
You do realize that the BOD is not involved in the day-to-day management of the company. As chairman of Intuit, Campbell could not directly cause Intuit to implement Mac software. Rather, he could recommend to the board and to the CEO that they consider implementing Mac software.
Before making such a recommendation, Campbell would have studied the issue to assure that it was a viable opportunity for Intuit -- more likely, he would have recommended to the CEO that they investigate the opportunity.
Acting as Chairman of the Intuit BOD, Campbell's responsibility is to Intuit and its shareholders -- not to Apple.
So, we do not know if Campbell:
I met the "coach" on two occasions, a dinner for top Apple dealers (business/social), and business-only.
The second involved a joint project between Apple and my company. It was rather a dicey meeting because the project was being terminated for causes not related to the viability of the project, itself.
I found Bill to be fair and reasonable! While not happy about the results, I was satisfied that they were the best for all involved.
Well, at least you have a good grasp of English grammar and syntax.
What you missed, though, is that the "snarky remark" was only because they pulled my original comment.
Now about your criticism of my attitude towards this . . .
A very insightful and savvy post!
Tim is educated as an engineer and in management. He has corporate experience working for IBM, IE, Compaq and Apple.
Steve built Apple2 into a finely-tuned engine running on all cylinders -- his best creation is Apple2, itself -- the people and vision that make it work.
Tim has the opportunity to use Apple2 as raw material for an even greater vision -- the responsible and successful organization of the future.
I believe he is up to the job -- and that in 5 years we'll say: "sure, it's obvious -- all organizations should be like that!"
Apple3 -- is being created before our eyes ... We need to watch, learn and act ...
I removed the original comment. That's the one I was describing as snarky as you suggested AI needs a new editor. We know the proof-reading is not as good as it could be, the point has been raised many times but taking jabs at the authors every time it happens doesn't make the problem stop, it just adds off-topic comments to a thread. The authors can be contacted directly if there are important corrections to be made:
http://appleinsider.com/contact/
I removed the original comment. That's the one I was describing as snarky as you suggested AI needs a new editor. We know the proof-reading is not as good as it could be, the point has been raised many times but taking jabs at the authors every time it happens doesn't make the problem stop, it just adds off-topic comments to a thread. The authors can be contacted directly if there are important corrections to be made:
http://appleinsider.com/contact/
I do apologize if I offended anyone. That was not my intention. I see now that my words were much more harsh than they should have been. Please forgive me.
My motivation, though, was due to the fact that I appreciate the news about Apple products and the company that you provide and the opportunity to comment and read the comments of others and I think it's a shame that sometimes articles are posted that contain grammatical or syntactical errors. I know very well that AI is not the only site with this problem, and I know as well that there is a lot of pressure to post news as quickly as possible. I just think that these errors detract from the overall image of the site.
Again, though, I regret any offense that my remarks gave.
I'd be curious to know what accounting software Apple uses for their own company, and on which operating system.
We first went to Apple Bandley 1 in June 1978 -- as we drove up 2 guys left by a side door and went the building next door ...
They each were carrying an IBM Disk Pack (cartridge) -- I mentioned to my wife that these were what we used on the maimframes at the IBM Palo Alto Systems Center (where I worked for IBM, at the time).
So, I assume, that even back then they were running on an IBM 1130 Mini (1130 OS?) or an IBM/360 (360 DOS) -- and, likely, wrote their own apps with RPG, COBoL, etc.
Okay so your upset that one program that is important to you isn't as good as the Windows version but whatever the reason for Quicken not being properly developed for OSX, there are still ways to run the Windows version on a Mac as stated by a few people already. It's silly to get so upset over such a trivial problem when there are so many suitable solutions available to you. There are many programs that currently only run on Window's that I would like to see for OSX but instead of getting upset about it I adapt and over come. Either use Wine, Virtual-Box or buy a cheap Windows device, the Dell Venue 8 Pro costs 230 dollars (don't forget the stylus, it's worth it), just connect it to your monitor, sync your bluetooth mouse and keyboard, install Quicken and go to work. Don't ever want to see the Dell, then just turn it on, shove it in a drawer and use a remote desktop to connect to it through your Mac.
Attitudes like this are why Mac users can't have nice things.
The correct answer is that Quicken doesn't exist on OS X, and to try one of the Mac alternatives.
Telling a Mac user to use Windows is just wrong. It's just enabling companies like Intuit to ignore the Mac market.
Relic will always recommend non-Apple products. In this instance, the software isn't available on the Mac so there's little choice. It's much the same with games. If you want a good gaming experience with low prices and software availability, Windows is still the best option.
Web-based accounting makes things a lot easier though as there's no platform issues and no need to install software on a machine to see or update accounts. Putting some of the data online is risky, especially if the servers of the company you rely on go down when you have a filing deadline. They also hold your data to ransom, many won't let you do full offline backups because they don't like the idea of someone migrating it to a competing product.
I actually think it would be good if someone made an offline product that worked as a server. Intuit makes $4b per year so there's enough of a demand for another big player to get involved e.g Microsoft. For all their faults, at least Microsoft commits to making Mac products with close to feature parity with the Windows versions and more importantly, file compatibility.
Macs are easy to setup as servers, they can have a database and you'd setup a product on a single machine. Everyone else in the office would be able to logon to the machine locally, even from Windows machines or tablets/smartphones. For outside access, the data can be synced to a cloud service or it can work over VPN.
The only way to force Intuit's hand is to compete with them. The accounting market isn't huge in unit volume vs the consumer market but when it's expanded to include personal accounting, it can apply to most adults. Microsoft can tie it in with Excel and they can simply call it Microsoft Accounts. If Microsoft got into this market, they'd wipe Intuit out. An extra $4b doesn't do much to their $78b per year but it helps.
Relic will always recommend non-Apple products.
Well yes and no, if you noticed I only bring up other products when their being discussed, even then it's mostly in the click bait stories where every single person has a contest to see how many negative adjectives they can spew out on the subject. I'm just trying to bring a little balance to the conversation by stating not every thing none Apple sucks. I'm also a mega gadget freak and will, have never just used one single company for my needs. It's how I stay sharp and up to date on every OS, hardware and software that looks interesting and I can get my hands on. Stating that I will always recommend non-Apple products is simply not correct, I think everyone should own a MacBook and iPad but that also doesn't mean that I think other products aren't at least decent. In the case of Quicken, using a cheap machine, Wine or a virtual machine with Windows is a perfectly acceptable solution. I happen to know Wine works very well with Quicken for Windows on OSX, Intuit will probably one day have a better version but until then either use the solutions I provided or another product. Complaining about it is just silly and counter productive, especially wishing someone who has given part of his life to a company for so long such ill will because of a single program, well, there just isn't any words for that type of behavior.
Someone else says that too. Here's an example:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158200/review-apples-new-11-inch-macbook-air-mid-2013/40#post_2351422
Someone just mentions that the Macbook Air has the best battery life of any computer and you take issue with that mentioning non-Apple products with better battery life, except you mention a product with a custom 9-cell battery. You go far out of your way to make sure Apple is not seen as the best at anything. You say things like the iPad is good but the Surface Pro 3 is better because it's a full computer.
An Apple forum doesn't need balance, there's a reason it's an Apple forum. Platform neutral sites like Engadget, Reddit, The Verge, Cnet need balance. It's also in your own mind that people here think everything that isn't made by Apple sucks. The preference is towards Apple products and not supporting their competitors.
Then it makes your recommendations of alternatives irrelevant because the vast majority of people simply don't buy multiple computers, tablets or phones.
He was a board member, they only have about 15-20 meetings a year and they get paid pretty well for that service:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/02/28/apples-board-of-directors-receives-230k-in-restricted-stock-units
Quarter of a million dollars (or more depending on what they sell the stock for) for essentially a week's work is worth signing on for. Not that this amount of money is significant to these people but being a board member is hardly a significant contribution of time. The criticism of the products from Intuit is justified. Bill Campbell was Intuit's CEO at one point and as chairman, he still has significant influence over the company. To be a board member at Apple and have such influence with a leading company selling accounting products and not support the Mac platform properly deserves criticism as well as his support of Google.
Actually, Intuit has been developing a new version of Quicken for Mac for the past year. They're building on the more modern Quicken Essentials code base, and adding the functionality from the legacy Quicken for Mac products (like handling investments). The first release of the new Quicken will probably occur this quarter, with additional free updates in subsequent quarters as they continue to add functionality.
So then what do you ask of me, it seems that I tarnished the board with my none conforming ways. Would you like me to finally move on after 12 years of being a member here. I do admit that I bring up none Apple products more then I should, it's just the attitude of this board has changed so much over the last few years. Going from excited about Apple products in general to a superiority complex of we're now the best, join us or die. Maybe it's time to take a break from posting in top news stories. I'll start hanging out in the help and technical sections as I can probably be of more use down there.
Oh I know, I start my own little corner, called Relic's Take, a social commentary. I like writing, look for it in AppleOutsider, coming soon.
I don't really see the attitude of superiority you're describing nor that the forum has changed much over the years. As I've described before, a forum like this is like in sports where the team here has blue shirts and the other team, typically members of other forums, has green. If someone in the green shirt wanders over to the blue team's part of the stadium and starts talking about the merits of the other team, how do you expect them to react? Maybe at times the blue team will suggest their team is the best but it's because they are supporters, that's the nature of the game. There may be times when criticism is warranted but doing it perpetually just serves to annoy people.
There's no need to move somewhere else at all, just be more respectful towards other forum members in accepting that they are not looking for constant alternatives to their preferences. People aren't deluded into thinking Apple is the best where it's not warranted, they choose to support Apple. If the discussion skews too much towards what some people call neutral territory, threads just end up getting derailed into promoting Android or Windows or something that most people on an Apple forum don't really care about.
It's important to have the right motive if you want to get something out of being a member of the forum too. If the motive is to drive discussion into promoting alternative products or companies then there's nothing to be gained being a member because people who sign up to a forum about one company aren't undecided voters so they aren't likely to casually switch sides. That doesn't mean 'join us or die', it just means people have their preference and people need to be respectful of it.
Oh I know, I start my own little corner, called Relic's Take, a social commentary.
Relic’s Quary, maybe? Though that brings up thoughts of dusty, forgotten things.
Relevant:
I’m with Jerry; I’ve never understood this (in sports). For the few people there about which I care at all (not many, not much), I follow them, not the team. I don’t care where I live or whatever.
Here, though, I totally get it. Though I was booing him when he was on my team and cheering now that he’s off.
"Anyhow, a full-featured Quicken for Mac is never going to happen."
Actually, Intuit has been developing a new version of Quicken for Mac for the past year. They're building on the more modern Quicken Essentials code base, and adding the functionality from the legacy Quicken for Mac products (like handling investments). The first release of the new Quicken will probably occur this quarter, with additional free updates in subsequent quarters as they continue to add functionality.
Is there any actual confirmation of this?
Quicken Essentials for Mac was introduced in February 2010. We're about to enter August of 2014.
They couldn't add features - which they had already designed and coded - into another product in less than three and a half years?