Oh my GOD. They had to work 5 straight hours without a meal break. Oh the humanity!
lots of crybabies out there. i used to be a MB mechanic- do you think i could just stop working on a car for thirty minutes every two hours? the only people i know who complain about hours usually show up late, take all their breaks and leave early are the lazy ones, and typically in a union.
how many waiters/waitresses take a 30 minute every two hours?
but i do feel bad for people working at the apple store. you have to pay for the shirts, wear that super heavy plastic identifier/card holder, lug around a useless heavy iPad/iphone/ipod, pace around a dirty empty store with no a/c in the dark in the most vile conditions with old outdated software and machines littering every table longing to work at a microsoft store.
and most people love to sign up for a class action lawsuit. they get to do nothing and get $50 in the mail.
Nice to see people attacking the alleged victims. If Apple the alleged perpetrator were not complying with the law then they justifiably should be fined and procedures put in place to stop it happening again.
'Victims'. To use the word 'victims' in this context is an insult to those who ARE victims.
If you're in the middle of a sale, you just can't suddenly leave saying, "sorry it's my break time, can you hang on half an hour, why not play a little solitaire on this wonderful iMac you're trying to purchase?" Or "sorry, it's my break time can you repeat to my colleague here, who will be glad to help you as long as it doesn't cut into her break time too, what you're interested in buying?"
I can understand strict adherence to break times for those doing manual labour, but for those standing around, talking, often leaning against tables? 'Victim' is NOT the word!
Well, if we're going to get all pedantic here, the correct usage is: "I don't know who's right...," not "whose." Who's is a contraction of "who is," "whose" implies ownership.
Yes, of course your right. Oops! I mean you're rite. Oh man . . . !!
'Victims'. To use the word 'victims' in this context is an insult to those who ARE victims.
If you're in the middle of a sale, you just can't suddenly leave saying, "sorry it's my break time, can you hang on half an hour, why not play a little solitaire on this wonderful iMac you're trying to purchase?" Or "sorry, it's my break time can you repeat to my colleague here, who will be glad to help you as long as it doesn't cut into her break time too, what you're interested in buying?"
I can understand strict adherence to break times for those doing manual labour, but for those standing around, talking, often leaning against tables? 'Victim' is NOT the word!
So your saying if it's retail. Companies can ignore the labour laws. :what:
Apple's still got money! Sue them! People who were fired by a company could not possibly have any vindictive motives whatsoever, and I'm sure that all 20,000 people in that state who work for them feel the same way.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/181522/apple-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-alleged-labor-violations-more-than-20k-plaintiffs-involved#post_2568053" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height:1.4em">Originally Posted by </span><strong style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); font-style:normal; line-height:1.4em">singularity</strong><span style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height:1.4em"> </span><a href="/t/181522/apple-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-alleged-labor-violations-more-than-20k-plaintiffs-involved#post_2568053" style="background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><div class="quote-block">Nice to see people attacking the alleged victims.</div></div><p> </p><p>Because they’re alleged <em>by themselves</em> to be victims.</p><div class="quote-container"> <div class="quote-block"><div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">If Apple... ... were not complying with the law then they justifiably should be fined and procedures put in place to stop it happening again.</span></div></div></div><p> </p><p>And... your point is what? No one has said otherwise.</p><p> </p><div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/181522/apple-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-alleged-labor-violations-more-than-20k-plaintiffs-involved#post_2568090" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height:1.4em">Originally Posted by </span><strong style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); font-style:normal; line-height:1.4em">singularity</strong><span style="background-color:rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height:1.4em"> </span><a href="/t/181522/apple-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-alleged-labor-violations-more-than-20k-plaintiffs-involved#post_2568090" style="background-color: rgb(241, 241, 241); line-height: 1.4em;"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><div class="quote-block">So your saying if it's retail. Companies can ignore the labour laws. :what:</div></div><p> </p><p>Has there been a more pathetic strawman as of late?</p><p> </p><p>And no, you can’t reply to me at all. I am a victim, you see, because I say so, and therefore cannot be rebutted¡</p>
Lol good reply. Made me chuckle.
The point I'm making (badly) is whilst a law is on the statue books you have to comply. If any company disregards their legal obligation they deserve to be punished. It doesn't matter if your Apple, Walmart etc. Some of the posters in this thread seem (to me) are takin the opinion that Apple are innocent (of everything) therefore anyone taking legal action are scumbags.
What this lawsuit will establish is whether Apple are guilty or not (assuming the legal system is fair.... A big assumption I know!).
I know from experience that what can start out as full compliance can over a period of time slowly falls into non compliance all due to people trying to do the right thing or speed things up. Some companies I've worked for have had to pay out big money because of it (big in this case means $10 million plus).
Some of the posters in this thread seem (to me) are takin the opinion that Apple are innocent (of everything) therefore anyone taking legal action are scumbags.
Hey, Crowley! (or whoever it was I said this to. Maybe the other guy. Or that other guy.) YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? It is NEVER brought up by ANYONE but the offendee. It is NEVER said by people who take the other side of the argument.
You’re seeing people take Apple’s side because Apple isn’t wrong. The suit is being brought by whiny, lazy bums. Were Apple using slave labor, I can’t imagine anyone taking their side.
Hey, Crowley! (or whoever it was I said this to. Maybe the other guy. Or that other guy.) YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? It is NEVER brought up by ANYONE but the offendee. It is NEVER said by people who take the other side of the argument.
You’re seeing people take Apple’s side because Apple isn’t wrong. The suit is being brought by whiny, lazy bums. Were Apple using slave labor, I can’t imagine anyone taking their side.
Then Apple needs to do a better job hiring because 20,000+ lazy mofos is a lot.
Part of signing off on my reporting of hours has me ascertaining that I took my California state mandated breaks.
I am sure that some employees have been inconvenienced by finishing up transactions in the retail stores, and some managers are casual about break times. I doubt that there is wide spread abuse of these issues. Personally, working for other companies I was irritated when I was in the middle of something (or almost finished) and was told to take a break to meet labor laws.
I find it interesting to see the issue of last paychecks as part of the class action - appears to me that the whole suit is more about employees leaving the company trying to maximize their exit package.
As person who has gone into a number of apple store and have gotten support for them, I can see why they may not get timely breaks. There has been a few time when they were trouble shooting a problem I was in a for a few hours and the person stay with us the entire time or was jumping back and forth between people help them. Now imagine if someone was helping you and they said sorry it is may break and walked away.
I am glad they stayed until the problem was solve, that is great customer service.
I had this happen to me in a grocery story a few times and I was not happen the cashier just said they were leaving and someone would be there to help because it was their break time.
If these people want timely breaks and stuff go work a union shop and see how well they goes.
It also appears a majority of these people are not longer working for Apple so either they realize it was not the place for them and left which is their right, or the were left go because they did not do what they need to earn their paycheck, either ways they just crybabies
As person who has gone into a number of apple store and have gotten support for them, I can see why they may not get timely breaks. There has been a few time when they were trouble shooting a problem I was in a for a few hours and the person stay with us the entire time or was jumping back and forth between people help them. Now imagine if someone was helping you and they said sorry it is may break and walked away.
I am glad they stayed until the problem was solve, that is great customer service.
I had this happen to me in a grocery story a few times and I was not happen the cashier just said they were leaving and someone would be there to help because it was their break time.
If these people want timely breaks and stuff go work a union shop and see how well they goes.
It also appears a majority of these people are not longer working for Apple so either they realize it was not the place for them and left which is their right, or the were left go because they did not do what they need to earn their paycheck, either ways they just crybabies
Are all of these folks hourly workers or is it a mix of salaried and hourly?
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"More than" is correct, is it not? "More then" would be a comment on a timeframe, I believe.
Yes, it is. The original post (which since has been corrected) was "more THEN."
Oh my GOD. They had to work 5 straight hours without a meal break. Oh the humanity!
lots of crybabies out there. i used to be a MB mechanic- do you think i could just stop working on a car for thirty minutes every two hours? the only people i know who complain about hours usually show up late, take all their breaks and leave early are the lazy ones, and typically in a union.
how many waiters/waitresses take a 30 minute every two hours?
but i do feel bad for people working at the apple store. you have to pay for the shirts, wear that super heavy plastic identifier/card holder, lug around a useless heavy iPad/iphone/ipod, pace around a dirty empty store with no a/c in the dark in the most vile conditions with old outdated software and machines littering every table longing to work at a microsoft store.
and most people love to sign up for a class action lawsuit. they get to do nothing and get $50 in the mail.
If you're in the middle of a sale, you just can't suddenly leave saying, "sorry it's my break time, can you hang on half an hour, why not play a little solitaire on this wonderful iMac you're trying to purchase?" Or "sorry, it's my break time can you repeat to my colleague here, who will be glad to help you as long as it doesn't cut into her break time too, what you're interested in buying?"
I can understand strict adherence to break times for those doing manual labour, but for those standing around, talking, often leaning against tables? 'Victim' is NOT the word!
Yes, of course your right. Oops! I mean you're rite. Oh man . . . !!
Because they’re alleged by themselves to be victims.
And... your point is what? No one has said otherwise.
Has there been a more pathetic strawman as of late?
And no, you can’t reply to me at all. I am a victim, you see, because I say so, and therefore cannot be rebutted¡
The point I'm making (badly) is whilst a law is on the statue books you have to comply. If any company disregards their legal obligation they deserve to be punished. It doesn't matter if your Apple, Walmart etc. Some of the posters in this thread seem (to me) are takin the opinion that Apple are innocent (of everything) therefore anyone taking legal action are scumbags.
What this lawsuit will establish is whether Apple are guilty or not (assuming the legal system is fair.... A big assumption I know!).
I know from experience that what can start out as full compliance can over a period of time slowly falls into non compliance all due to people trying to do the right thing or speed things up. Some companies I've worked for have had to pay out big money because of it (big in this case means $10 million plus).
Hey, Crowley! (or whoever it was I said this to. Maybe the other guy. Or that other guy.) YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? It is NEVER brought up by ANYONE but the offendee. It is NEVER said by people who take the other side of the argument.
You’re seeing people take Apple’s side because Apple isn’t wrong. The suit is being brought by whiny, lazy bums. Were Apple using slave labor, I can’t imagine anyone taking their side.
Then Apple needs to do a better job hiring because 20,000+ lazy mofos is a lot.
How odd that a system bred on entitlement would generated the entitled...
That comes from an entire generation of bad parenting. Fulfilling a child's every desire in the long run is a bad idea.
I am sure that some employees have been inconvenienced by finishing up transactions in the retail stores, and some managers are casual about break times. I doubt that there is wide spread abuse of these issues. Personally, working for other companies I was irritated when I was in the middle of something (or almost finished) and was told to take a break to meet labor laws.
I find it interesting to see the issue of last paychecks as part of the class action - appears to me that the whole suit is more about employees leaving the company trying to maximize their exit package.
As person who has gone into a number of apple store and have gotten support for them, I can see why they may not get timely breaks. There has been a few time when they were trouble shooting a problem I was in a for a few hours and the person stay with us the entire time or was jumping back and forth between people help them. Now imagine if someone was helping you and they said sorry it is may break and walked away.
I am glad they stayed until the problem was solve, that is great customer service.
I had this happen to me in a grocery story a few times and I was not happen the cashier just said they were leaving and someone would be there to help because it was their break time.
If these people want timely breaks and stuff go work a union shop and see how well they goes.
It also appears a majority of these people are not longer working for Apple so either they realize it was not the place for them and left which is their right, or the were left go because they did not do what they need to earn their paycheck, either ways they just crybabies
As person who has gone into a number of apple store and have gotten support for them, I can see why they may not get timely breaks. There has been a few time when they were trouble shooting a problem I was in a for a few hours and the person stay with us the entire time or was jumping back and forth between people help them. Now imagine if someone was helping you and they said sorry it is may break and walked away.
I am glad they stayed until the problem was solve, that is great customer service.
I had this happen to me in a grocery story a few times and I was not happen the cashier just said they were leaving and someone would be there to help because it was their break time.
If these people want timely breaks and stuff go work a union shop and see how well they goes.
It also appears a majority of these people are not longer working for Apple so either they realize it was not the place for them and left which is their right, or the were left go because they did not do what they need to earn their paycheck, either ways they just crybabies
Are all of these folks hourly workers or is it a mix of salaried and hourly?