Why? Nikon does it all the time, that is market cameras with different capabilities. Beyond that Apple has a lot of customers that are at best idiots and would get all bent out of shape if their precious iPhone sprouted a bump to support a better camera. Put a good quality camera in one model and people that understand the how's and whys will gravitate to it. Those that have an emotional problem over a bump on the back side can stick with the lesser platform.
To clarify my issue is not one phone having better specs than another, it's making people have to compromise on screen size. That's what Apple did away with when they announced new iPads last year. Currently Apple prices their iOS devices based on storage. More storage = more expensive. If they want to change that, fine. But what if I want the best camera tech but I don't want a phablet? IF Apple is doing both a 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone I think the two should be the same as much as possible so the only choice someone has to make is what size they want. Otherwise pick one size and make it Good/Better/Best and price it accordingly.
Given that we've never seen a 4.7 and 5.5 set of parts side by side, I'm inclined to think that one of them will have lower specs. I strongly sense that the larger one will be that lower specced device, and will have a 'c' set of colors.
And I don't think Sapphire for the larger screen. I think the 4.7 will be the flagship, and the 5.5 be the replacement for the 'c' series, and there be a 4.0. version fork for a couple of releases. (we'll see one more turn of the A series chip crank on these next year).
Im not getting into the pricing model, as it's crazy at this moment. I can see a 5c 5s 6c 6s product line, or I can see the 5c dropping and the 6c (larger screen, A7(x) processor) as the 'middle product.'
Why should screen size determine specs? They don't with iPads. Of course no matter what Apple does it will piss someone off but I think a lot fewer people would be pissed off if Apple didn't use size to determine which device got better specs (outside of obvious things like bigger battery). I still have this feeling that the larger device could come under the iPod umbrella. Apple didn't update iPods last year so either they're slowly killing them off or we'll see an new update this year. Perhaps the 5.5" display is meant for a new iPod touch?
Likely the protruding camera ring is only on the 5.5" model.. thats the one that showed this ring in the 3D rendering leaked months ago..
It does look like the 5.5" will have the OIS, Sapphire, and more storage (64/128GB) and a few other hardware 'perks' over the 4.7"..
I have a sneaky suspicion they are going the way they have with the Mackbook line..
We used to have
- Macbook Classic (White plastic)
- Macbook Air
- Macbook Pro
I think we're going the below with $50 bump between storage versions
- iPhone Classic (4", 16/32GB) $99/$149
- iPhone Air (4.7" 32/64GB) $199/$249
- iPhone Pro(5.5" 64/128GB) $299/$349
I say the $50 bump because they just did that with the iPod Touch line a month ago.. plus a $50 premium bump to get into the next size (64GB 4.7" vs 64GB 5.5")
With the 128GB 5.5" only, and premium features like OIS (Ring kind of proving it) and Sapphire rumors.. Plus iPod storage price changes.. The rumors are lining up to look like this anyway...
I see none of this happening as a 32 to 64,64 to 128 would be $100 jumps, as well if you have not noticed iPads are same hardware just $100 for screen, Mac book airs are $100 difference for just screen size, and apple seems to be merging product lines, notice no regular Mac book no longer, Mac book pro is now only 2 models and Mac book air is expected to merge to 1 12 inch model.
iPhone 5C - $400 unlocked (only in China, India, ect)
iPhone Color $99/$149 - 16/32 GB, A7, Touch ID, 4 inch (basically the 5S in plastic)
iPhone $199/$299/$399 - 32/64/128, A8, 4.7 screen
iPhone Pro $299/$399/$499 - 32/64/128, 5.5 screen
I don't think Apple will ditch the $100 increments for memory.
Its such a cash cow for them.
I think they will get rid of the number designation for the iPhoneC. They will just use the last generations internals throw it in a plastic shell and call it iPhone Color.
That is way too complicated, you notice these rumors are like Samsung, throw 5 product lines out there.
I really hope Apple keeps as many features the same between the alleged 4.7 and 5.5. Don't pull an HTC "One vs. One Mini" stunt and offer a slower processor and worse camera for the physically smaller phone. I realize the 5.5 can have a much larger battery and perhaps more interior space for better camera, speakers, etc. but don't intentionally degrade it. I won't go for the 5.5 after playing with my friends' Samsung Galaxy's, Notes, etc.
Hope so too like Samsung S5 and S5 mini, hate the 5.1 inch size yet the smaller one is lower and only offered select markets.
#1 Samsung has sold 100,000,000 phones that are 5 inches or bigger the last 3 years. The phablet market is too big to ignore, especially in Apple's #1 growth market = China
#2 Proof of the 4.7 phone shows that Apple is stepping away from 1 handed use. The 5.5 is just the next step
#3 you made all this up and people hate there samsungs.
Given that we've never seen a 4.7 and 5.5 set of parts side by side, I'm inclined to think that one of them will have lower specs. I strongly sense that the larger one will be that lower specced device, and will have a 'c' set of colors.
And I don't think Sapphire for the larger screen. I think the 4.7 will be the flagship, and the 5.5 be the replacement for the 'c' series, and there be a 4.0. version fork for a couple of releases. (we'll see one more turn of the A series chip crank on these next year).
Im not getting into the pricing model, as it's crazy at this moment. I can see a 5c 5s 6c 6s product line, or I can see the 5c dropping and the 6c (larger screen, A7(x) processor) as the 'middle product.'
This was original rumor and it makes more since if anything.
As TheOtherGeoff pointed out in post 19, Apple could, technically, offer voice service over VOIP at any time—the only holdup would be not wanting to anger the carriers or possibly non-compete clauses (which will expire sometime).
What if the 5.5" device was just that—not an iPhone, but an ApplePhone? That is to say, an iPod Touch, but one that can make WiFi calls naturally, without jumping through hoops. It would probably offer an escape mode when you don't have WiFi, possibly a free subscription to some service like Consumer Cellular, where you only pay for the minutes you use.
I notice that the dpi of a 5.5" screen would only have to be increased about 22% over the current one for it to be full HD. One wonders if this unit might be optimized to order and watch content from iTunes, sort of like the Kindle Fire is for Amazon (although I don't think Apple would make it so in-your-face-and-useless-for-anything-else.) Perhaps they could lower the price somewhat below what one might expect in anticipation of media sales. (They could probably save a little money not having to have radios for every system on the planet, too). The cellular carrier's tears would certainly taste sweet!
I don't think there's more than a 1% chance Apple would do this, it's just what I would do—because that's just the kind of hairpin I am!
That's a total of 101 million phones sold at 5 inches or larger.
This is very conservative.
If the Note3 sells as well as the Note2 than that figure goes up to 121 million
If the S5 sells as well as the S4 that figure goes up to 151 million
and don't forget they still sell the older versions of the Note and S-series.
As of right now a conservative guess would be 120-130 million units sold.
Samsung have never released phone sales figures in their earnings reports, so as far as I'm concerned, they've sold zero phones of any description until told otherwise.
if you believe they made that much profit selling refridgerators you are delusional.
If you believe they made that much profit selling the big-screened top 10 or 20% of their phone line, giving a lot of them away buy-one-get-one-free from introduction day, you're delusional.
Why not? The iPads have this insert...why would it affect the phone any differently?
because you would engrave the logo into metal if it was going to be metal, not if it was a insert like ipad it would be made of another material and the metal would be machine out or punched out to allow for the insert. Plus the insert has all short of machining marks which also tell me it not part of the final design a part like that would be formed not machine since machining is too time consuming and costly. It maybe a insert for a plastic injection module for a case.
Samsung have never released phone sales figures in their earnings reports, so as far as I'm concerned, they've sold zero phones of any description until told otherwise.
Nobody release units numbers in the earnings report except Apple.
You got there in the end.
You choose to go by the wild speculation of analyst reports; I choose to go by reported numbers.
So how did they make so much money if they didn't sell a ton of premium phones?
Because they actually sell a ton of garbage phones, all around the world. The throwaway dumb ones.
Originally Posted by sog35
The 5S is too big for one handed use for many including me.
I can certainly see that being the case; many women have tiny, almost delicate hands. Put one up to a man’s and it’s all, “Hey, your hands are tiny. And smooth. And your fingers are… wrapping around mine…”
However, that does not preclude the possibility of one-handed use with a larger device, as hands large enough to manage it do exist. But the bell curve must fall back down again, and therefore making a device to cater to Robert Wadlow-style hands is, of course, not happening.
Likely the protruding camera ring is only on the 5.5" model.. thats the one that showed this ring in the 3D rendering leaked months ago..
It does look like the 5.5" will have the OIS, Sapphire, and more storage (64/128GB) and a few other hardware 'perks' over the 4.7"..
I have a sneaky suspicion they are going the way they have with the Mackbook line..
We used to have
- Macbook Classic (White plastic)
- Macbook Air
- Macbook Pro
I think we're going the below with $50 bump between storage versions
- iPhone Classic (4", 16/32GB) $99/$149
- iPhone Air (4.7" 32/64GB) $199/$249
- iPhone Pro(5.5" 64/128GB) $299/$349
I say the $50 bump because they just did that with the iPod Touch line a month ago.. plus a $50 premium bump to get into the next size (64GB 4.7" vs 64GB 5.5")
With the 128GB 5.5" only, and premium features like OIS (Ring kind of proving it) and Sapphire rumors.. Plus iPod storage price changes.. The rumors are lining up to look like this anyway...
Keep dreaming...for 32GB starter: It wont happen. Also, 5.5" if it happens, starts at $299 for 16GB too
If you believe they made that much profit selling the big-screened top 10 or 20% of their phone line, giving a lot of them away buy-one-get-one-free from introduction day, you're delusional.
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BOGO promotions are done by the carrier not the manufacturer.
BOGO promotions are done by the carrier not the manufacturer.
Not necessarily. In order to make the product cost low enough so that BOGO becomes an effective marketing tool the retailer and manufacturer can work out deals for lower prices which could prevent the retailer from shipping back unused merchandise that can't move.
I really am enjoying the war between TS and Sog35. It a classic, right up there with Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant, Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin, Betamax vs. VHS, Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD.
It's a pity the war will stop once the new iPhones are announced.
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It's a start, at least we got some leak there.
That is way too complicated, you notice these rumors are like Samsung, throw 5 product lines out there.
Hope so too like Samsung S5 and S5 mini, hate the 5.1 inch size yet the smaller one is lower and only offered select markets.
Doubt even that, saphire seems too expensive for a 4.7 not to mention a 5.5 .
#3 you made all this up and people hate there samsungs.
This was original rumor and it makes more since if anything.
iPhone color? iPhone Pro? Please just go away....
These two parts look very liquid metal-like to me
What if the 5.5" device was just that—not an iPhone, but an ApplePhone? That is to say, an iPod Touch, but one that can make WiFi calls naturally, without jumping through hoops. It would probably offer an escape mode when you don't have WiFi, possibly a free subscription to some service like Consumer Cellular, where you only pay for the minutes you use.
I notice that the dpi of a 5.5" screen would only have to be increased about 22% over the current one for it to be full HD. One wonders if this unit might be optimized to order and watch content from iTunes, sort of like the Kindle Fire is for Amazon (although I don't think Apple would make it so in-your-face-and-useless-for-anything-else.) Perhaps they could lower the price somewhat below what one might expect in anticipation of media sales. (They could probably save a little money not having to have radios for every system on the planet, too). The cellular carrier's tears would certainly taste sweet!
I don't think there's more than a 1% chance Apple would do this, it's just what I would do—because that's just the kind of hairpin I am!
Samsung have never released phone sales figures in their earnings reports, so as far as I'm concerned, they've sold zero phones of any description until told otherwise.
If you believe they made that much profit selling the big-screened top 10 or 20% of their phone line, giving a lot of them away buy-one-get-one-free from introduction day, you're delusional.
Why not? The iPads have this insert...why would it affect the phone any differently?
because you would engrave the logo into metal if it was going to be metal, not if it was a insert like ipad it would be made of another material and the metal would be machine out or punched out to allow for the insert. Plus the insert has all short of machining marks which also tell me it not part of the final design a part like that would be formed not machine since machining is too time consuming and costly. It maybe a insert for a plastic injection module for a case.
These two parts look very liquid metal-like to me
They look like cast aluminium to me. There is no point using something with the properties of liquidmetal for something that won't be seen.
From what I have seen. Liquidmetal is shiny.
Much like the new inset Apple logo which according to a different website, is very hard to scratch.
Samsung have never released phone sales figures in their earnings reports, so as far as I'm concerned, they've sold zero phones of any description until told otherwise.
Nobody release units numbers in the earnings report except Apple.
You got there in the end.
You choose to go by the wild speculation of analyst reports; I choose to go by reported numbers.
Samsung has lied about the number of phones they have sold
Fixed.
4.7” on a thin enough device is usable with one hand. Nothing larger, however, is.
Except certain alloys of LiquidMetal are radio transparent, so a phone body invisible to the radio waves its antenna needs would be pretty useful.
So how did they make so much money if they didn't sell a ton of premium phones?
Because they actually sell a ton of garbage phones, all around the world. The throwaway dumb ones.
I can certainly see that being the case; many women have tiny, almost delicate hands. Put one up to a man’s and it’s all, “Hey, your hands are tiny. And smooth. And your fingers are… wrapping around mine…”
However, that does not preclude the possibility of one-handed use with a larger device, as hands large enough to manage it do exist. But the bell curve must fall back down again, and therefore making a device to cater to Robert Wadlow-style hands is, of course, not happening.
There’s garbage and there’s garbage. A phone can be of the same quality, but if the margins are different…
They sell at least [citation needed] [insert category] phones per year.
BOGO promotions are done by the carrier not the manufacturer.
Not necessarily. In order to make the product cost low enough so that BOGO becomes an effective marketing tool the retailer and manufacturer can work out deals for lower prices which could prevent the retailer from shipping back unused merchandise that can't move.
It's a pity the war will stop once the new iPhones are announced.
God, I hope not!
TEAM JACOB! No. Never. In any capacity. Disregard this entirely.