Apple posts Robin Williams tribute page to company website

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  • Reply 21 of 62
    allenbfallenbf Posts: 993member
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    Originally Posted by djsherly View Post





    Depression means you aren't thinking straight. From your frame of reference, your sane frame of reference all those things you say make sense. It's very easy to say he took the easy way out, but he did not think the same way you do. I used to take the same position as you. Until Recently. I did not become depressed but I went to a place where a lot of thing suddenly made sense. Don't discount the effect despair and depression has on a person. You sell them short by judging them from your own perspective. You never did stand in his shoes.

     

    This is exactly what I was going to say.  Someone with depression isn't thinking clearly so you can't argue that they're taking a 'coward's way out.'  

  • Reply 22 of 62
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,408member
    relic wrote: »
    It's really sad what Robin did to himself but I strongly believe he took the cowards way out. Depression is a horrible debilitating illness but he had a support system, he had a family, he should have called emergency services. So now his children and wife are without their father because of his self centered actions, just absolutely heart wrenching. I don't think Robin or anyone who commits suicide should be publicly honored, life is the ultimate gift, an individual has no right distinguishing that light themselves. I personally know a person who has spent their entire life in and out of mental institutions because of depression, but she continues to fight for herself and her family, what Robin did is unforgivable, he is for all intensive purposes, a murderer.

    I know I will get a lot of backlash from my comment but in this case I really don't care. Damn it Robin, why?

    Unfortunately, you (or anyone else) only see what Williams wanted you to see. No one really knows the heart of another person.
  • Reply 23 of 62
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    Originally Posted by Relic View Post

     

    It's really sad what Robin did to himself but I strongly believe he took the cowards way out. Depression is a horrible debilitating illness but he had a support system, he had a family, he should have called emergency services. So now his children and wife are without their father because of his self centered actions, just absolutely heart wrenching. I don't think Robin or anyone who commits suicide should be publicly honored, life is the ultimate gift, an individual has no right distinguishing that light themselves. I personally know a person who has spent their entire life in and out of mental institutions because of depression, but she continues to fight for herself and her family, what Robin did is unforgivable, he is for all intensive purposes, a murderer.

     

    I know I will get a lot of backlash from my comment but in this case I really don't care. Damn it Robin, why?




    Because depression lies

  • Reply 24 of 62
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,020member

    Tim Cook is probably watching The Bird Cage with tears in his eyes... He wath thoo thooper!

  • Reply 25 of 62
    fred1fred1 Posts: 781member

    Thank you djsherly and allenbf for voices of sanity among the unjustifiable opinions.

     

    People who are severely depressed do not think of anything but themselves.  Knowing this is what got me through the suicide on one who I was very close to.  At least Williams tried many times to get over his addictions and other problems.  Life in the spotlight is not easy, as I'm told by a successful actor friend, because you cease being a person and become a commodity, and very soon become an unwanted commodity.  

     

    To those of us on the outside, stars have lots of money, fame, and fans.  To the stars themselves, the money doesn't mean anything, the fame is fleeting, and the fans very soon lose interest in them, or take on a very weird interest.  

     

    He will be missed very much, so let's not degrade the wonderful memories we have of him with our own crazy ideas of what he should and should not have done.  

  • Reply 26 of 62
    berpberp Posts: 136member
    For me...the killer verse...; poetic justice rendered by auto-immune lawlessness...

    Once a living poem has been laid out, it withers into an embarrassment of riches...time to trade in high-strung embodiment for boundless immortality...

    Robbin Williams, ...a new, summa cum laude member of 'Dead Poets Society'.
  • Reply 27 of 62
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    relic wrote: »
    It's really sad what Robin did to himself but I strongly believe he took the cowards way out. Depression is a horrible debilitating illness but he had a support system, he had a family, he should have called emergency services. So now his children and wife are without their father because of his self centered actions, just absolutely heart wrenching. I don't think Robin or anyone who commits suicide should be publicly honored, life is the ultimate gift, an individual has no right distinguishing that light themselves. I personally know a person who has spent their entire life in and out of mental institutions because of depression, but she continues to fight for herself and her family, what Robin did is unforgivable, he is for all intensive purposes, a murderer.

    I know I will get a lot of backlash from my comment but in this case I really don't care. Damn it Robin, why?

    There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.
  • Reply 28 of 62
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,408member
    He was a cunning linguist.*

    (* one of his lines)
  • Reply 29 of 62
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    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post





    (* one of his lines)

     

    He has so many of those. 

     

    What a guy.  And alien (Mork).

     

     

    I read somewhere a long time ago that the director of Patch Adams agreed to direct the film only if Williams would play the part of Patch.  He was old for the role, so they had to rework a few things, but it made a heck of a movie.  

  • Reply 30 of 62
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    [list]
    [*] http://www.koko.org/koko-tribute-robin-williams
    [/list]


    [video]


    I think Williams is the one on the left. (Too soon?)
  • Reply 31 of 62
    Originally Posted by AppleGreen View Post

    Apple "did the same" when Nelson Mandela died.  If you are calling Apple a "bunch of racists," you need to have your head examined.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation#Temherte_slaq.C3.AE

  • Reply 32 of 62
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    A little harsh, no? Depression is a disease. Would we say the same thing if someone had a terminal disease and committed suicide? Now I'm not condoning what he did. We don't know how deep his depression was but his drug abuse surely affected his thinking.

     

    Depression is now categorized as a disease? I thought it was a disorder. I think it matters. If we just say it's a disease it could sound like a person just contracted it somehow and there's nothing the person can do but treat it medically. As you mentioned, Robin Williams' depression wasn't isolated...it was affected/caused by drug abuse.

  • Reply 33 of 62
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    almondroca wrote: »
    Depression is now categorized as a disease? I thought it was a disorder. I think it matters. If we just say it's a disease it could sound like a person just contracted it somehow...

    I would use the term disorder but a disease is a disorder.

    disease |di?z?z|
    noun
    • a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury
    • a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people

    If you want to want to your limited contracted term depression could still fit because you can contract something that affects the biochemistry of your brain or even injures parts of it thus causing you to be depressed.
    ...and there's nothing the person can do but treat it medically.

    There are way to many curable diseases which is only a fraction of treatable diseases. I'd say your definition of disease is more often treatable than your definition of disorder.
    As you mentioned, Robin Williams' depression wasn't isolated...it was affected/caused by drug abuse.

    Affected, sure, but caused by. I'd bet any addiction medicine specialist would say that his drug abuse was a symptom of his disease.
  • Reply 34 of 62
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Something like this makes me stop and count my blessings. I'm so glad I have someone who makes me laugh everyday, and she is pretty happy about it too.

  • Reply 35 of 62
    relic wrote: »
    It's really sad what Robin did to himself but I strongly believe he took the cowards way out. Depression is a horrible debilitating illness but he had a support system, he had a family, he should have called emergency services. So now his children and wife are without their father because of his self centered actions, just absolutely heart wrenching. I don't think Robin or anyone who commits suicide should be publicly honored, life is the ultimate gift, an individual has no right distinguishing that light themselves. I personally know a person who has spent their entire life in and out of mental institutions because of depression, but she continues to fight for herself and her family, what Robin did is unforgivable, he is for all intensive purposes, a murderer.

    I know I will get a lot of backlash from my comment but in this case I really don't care. Damn it Robin, why?

    Robin Williams generously gave us his all, but owes us nothing. The path to truly understanding someone is to first stop judging them.
  • Reply 36 of 62
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Originally Posted by iMat View Post

     

    @Relic 

     

    I'm sorry. But I think you are wrong in so many ways.

    Depression is an illness, not something one can control. It controls you, not the other way around. And you can fight it your whole life, but sometimes it wins.

     

    Think of it like a cancer, maybe it will be easier to understand. Williams didn't kill himself. Cancer did. A cancer of the mind, an illness that you can try to cure with medicine, therapy. Or you suppress with alcohol, drugs. But that you can never fully cure.

     

    It is in the mind, the thing that makes us so unique yet so frail. The part of us we are only beginning to grasp. A logical reasoning like the one you are doing in your post shows the limits of everything.

    Our mind is not "only logic". Our mind is also something else. Life, intuition, creativity. We are not only a bunch of chemical reactions on feet. Sometimes there's no "cause and effect" in the logic sense. Depression, as all mind illnesses, doesn't adhere to the strict parameters of logic, nor does creativity.

     

    We cannot explain it, as hard as we try.

     

    Curiously, in one movie, for which he received an Oscar, there's an interesting explanation of what "genius" is.

     

     

     

    Williams "knew how to play".

     

    The mind is still an uncharted territory. Please do not try to reduce it to pure rational reasoning.


     

    Well I have cancer, breast cancer to be exact and though there were times where I begged God to take my life and even threatened God that if he didn't  do it, I would, the thought of what my actions would do to my family stopped me. It would have been very easy for me to have OD'd on morphine.  Look, we all have our weak moments, some more then others but Its when we are at our lowest point that defines who we are. I fully understand that Robin suffered day in and day with his illness but he simply gave up because of a single moment in lapse of judgment and weakness. He was thinking about himself and his suffering and not about the pain he was about to unleash onto his family, friends and fans. If his disease was so debilitating, had zero control over his actions, why did it take 63 years for him to kill himself, no, he was aware of what he was doing, he chose to give into his demon, when he should have dialed 911.

     

    My thoughts go out to his family during this time.

  • Reply 37 of 62
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    relic wrote: »
    ...why did it take 63 years for him to kill himself?

    What kind of logic is that? :no:
  • Reply 38 of 62
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post





    Robin Williams generously gave us his all, but owes us nothing. The path to truly understanding someone is to first stop judging them.

     I know Suddenly what I said was harsh but if you noticed we're just talking about Robin, well he's gone now, his children are still here, and; Zac, Zelda and Cody must be going through absolute hell right now, you want to know what depression is, seeing what the children from a father who committed suicide go through. The rest of their lives, their going to be haunted with questions, "what didn't I do too help my father, did I not call enough, visit enough, what."

  • Reply 39 of 62
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    What kind of logic is that? image

    Why now, Solipsismx, is my logic, he must have felt like committing suicide in the past, what stopped him before. 

  • Reply 40 of 62
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,814member
    relic wrote: »
    Well I have cancer, breast cancer to be exact and though there were times where I begged God to take my life and even threatened God that if he didn't  do it, I would, the thought of what my actions would do to my family stopped me. It would have been very easy for me to have OD'd on morphine.  Look, we all have our weak moments, some more then others but Its when we are at our lowest point that defines who we are. I fully understand that Robin suffered day in and day with his illness but he simply gave up because of a single moment in lapse of judgment and weakness. He was thinking about himself and his suffering and not about the pain he was about to unleash onto his family, friends and fans. If his disease was so debilitating, had zero control over his actions, why did it take 63 years for him to kill himself, no, he was aware of what he was doing, he chose to give into his demon, when he she have dialed 911.

    My thoughts go out to his family during this time.

    I don't mean to make this personal, but when people are diagnosed with breast cancer, many times a mastectomy is done rather than chemo or if chemo didn't work. He had a brain disease so in his mind he saw suicide was the only solution. Perhaps therapy or drugs didn't work.
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