Apple again rumored to unveil 'iWatch' alongside next-gen iPhones on Sept. 9

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  • Reply 21 of 50
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

    Psst- guess what was made and assembled in the US? That could also be a key reason.

     

    Ah, paid enough to make security mean something. That’s right.

  • Reply 22 of 50
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    No one is copying Apple because there is yet nothing to copy. That could all change in less than 2 weeks, just like it has for PCs, PMPs, smartphones and tablets.

    True, but you know very well I was trying to quell the idea that others are just doing this to get ahead of Apple, especially Samsung and LG who have been making these stupid things for a while now, they just won't stop, who's buying this garbage. If Apple makes one, I will hold them under the same stupid category, outside of sports it's just a dumb idea.

  • Reply 23 of 50
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    relic wrote: »
    True, but you know very well I was trying to quell the idea that others are just doing this to get ahead of Apple,

    I don't know that. I also don't understand why that would need to be pointed out since it's clear that there have been many awful attempts at smartwatches over the years.
    ...especially Samsung and LG who have been making these stupid things for a while now, they just won't stop,

    I agree, but I do think they will drastically alter how they were going about if Apple drops one this year. Apple is rarely is the first to any many product category but they do have a long history of being the ones everyone else follows.
    ...who's buying this garbage. If Apple makes one, I will hold them under the same stupid category, outside of sports it's just a dumb idea.

    You think CE on the wrist is dumb or that wearables are dumb? I see smart wearables as inevitable.
  • Reply 24 of 50
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    I don't know that. I also don't understand why that would need to be pointed out since it's clear that there have been many awful attempts at smartwatches over the years.

    I agree, but I do think they will drastically alter how they were going about if Apple drops one this year. Apple is rarely is the first to any many product category but they do have a long history of being the ones everyone else follows.

    You think CE on the wrist is dumb or that wearable are dumb? I see smart wearable as inevitable.

     

    I never said that Apple was first, I just really dislike reading about how everyone wants to always copy Apple. Inevitable, smart watches are already here, have been for 20 years. They've gotten better, sure, but a watch nowadays is still just a fashion accessory and the last thing I would want to buy is something that millions of people have as well. Is the smartwatch actually helpful, I don't think so, I can easily take out my phone to answer a call, read a text, listen to music, etc. It's a toy and not really a fun one at that as you're fighting an interface so tiny it will probably give you a headache. I understand those who would like to see their health statistics for sports or other health reasons but companies like Citizen already make fantastic watches for those purposes. If I wear a watch it's a going to be expensive, call me a snob but it's true, a piece of jewelery, made of precious metals and has no purpose other than to give me the time of day, if it does have smart functionality, it will then have to be hidden and not obvious. I'm sure people will buy Apple's iWatch but at the end of the day I highly doubt they'll be used for anything more than tell the time, maybe announce when a message comes through, if that's worth 300 plus bucks for a tacky gimick, go for it.

  • Reply 25 of 50
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    relic wrote: »
    I never said that Apple was first, I just really dislike reading about how everyone wants to always copy Apple. Inevitable, smart watches are already here, have been for 20 years.

    So were tablets. How did that work out before the iPad?
    They've gotten better, sure, but a watch nowadays is still just a fashion accessory and the last thing I would want to buy is something that millions of people have as well.

    You're not thinking like a futurist. You're basically saying, "this is the way it is and this is the way it will always be."
    Is the smartwatch actually helpful, I don't think so, I can easily take out my phone to answer a call, read a text, listen to music, etc.

    Again, this is very limited thinking on your part if those are the ideas you have for a wrist-worn computing accessory or the wearables market in general.
    It's a toy and not really a fun one at that as you're fighting an interface so tiny it will probably give you a headache.

    That sounds a lot like all the complaints about technology people had before Apple entered the respective markets.
    I understand those who would like to see their health statistics for sports or other health reasons but companies like Citizen already make fantastic watches for those purposes.

    I'd like to see this device... and then compare it to whatever Apple is rumoured to announce on the 9th.
    If I wear a watch it's a going to be expensive, call me a snob but it's true, a piece of jewelery, made of precious metals and has no purpose other than to give me the time of day,

    OK, you're a snob. I want something that enriches my life which is why I stopped wearing watches after I got my first cell phone.
    if it does have smart functionality, it will then have to be hidden and not obvious. I'm sure people will buy Apple's iWatch but at the end of the day I highly doubt they'll be used for anything more than tell the time.

    If and when Apple releases a wrist-worn wearable I bet it will be used for more than telling time. You want to bet on that?
  • Reply 26 of 50

    Preserve these pictures. They'll come in handy 5 years from now in Lucy Koh's courtroom. (And, of course, the same morons will be defending every copyist of the iWatch in 2019 that Apple's design was obvious......)

     

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    Originally Posted by Relic View Post

     
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    Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

     

    I still hope that Apple has punked Samesung and the rest to flush millions down the drain with their crapola 'pre-iWatches.'

     

    Tim Cook: 'No iWatch, morons.'


    Interesting and amusing idea but Samsung and others have been developing and selling smart watches for years now, even if Apple decided to never come out with one the others would still produce them. NO one is copying Apple in this niche market and it's silly to even think otherwise.

     

    Fossil (2000)

    Samsung (1999 & 2009)

    Even IBM played with the idea (2000 & 2001) yep, that's a password thumb reader.

     A few Microsoft Spot watches

    ...and company's like Seiko, Casio and Citizen have been producing smart watches since the first calculator watch in the 70's

    As far as I'm concerned everyone is just copying this 1984's Seiko creation............


  • Reply 27 of 50
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Ah, the Mac Pro; I think that’s what I’m not remembering.

     

    And yep, that’s really the only way to go. However, you run into a completely new set of problems when you do that. With the iPhone, they showed a hobbled-together prototype that could only move through its software on a “golden path”. And then there were six months of downtime for competitors.

     

    But i think that the Mac Pro is even the opposite here. No one else in the workstation part of the industry in their right minds would have copied Apple’s designs–not a one of them believes in it! Apple could have built the Mac Pro early and had it out in 2013 without worrying about competitors stealing it.


     

    And I think the "iHome" rollout (if that's what Apple will be showing in the "white cube" at Flint Center) will be yet again a different scenario.  The actual smart home hardware will eventually be a mix of Apple and third-party components all interacting through a common protocol.  The components might be switched outlets and "smart LED bulbs" that aren't all that visually interesting.  And the HomeKit API in iOS 8 could easily be demo-ed on stage anyway.

     

    I think the the Flint Center construction isn't just about hiding components from view.  I think it's about building out a home-like environment in which to showcase the products.  So it feels more real to the invited media than a "golden path" demo of alpha-quality hardware + software by some heavily-coached executive on stage.  That's my guess anyway.

     

    Other possibilities, in decreasing order of likelihood IMHO:

     

    1. Brick-and-mortar retail store for demo-ing Apple's contactless payment system and retail disruption plan.  And not just a generic demo-store.  A Target or Walgreen's or CVS or something, and there would be an announcement to the effect that the retailer would be the first to use Apple's new NFC-or-whatever contactless payment system.  With iBeacons at appropriate spots, EasyPay + Touch ID no-line no-cash-register purchasing, and Apple Store-level security and inventory management.  All available as a turn-key retrofit for existing retailers.

     

    1.5. (Update) Simulated fitness club with exercise machines for the media to attempt to use.  All for demonstrating bio-sensing features of the "iWatch," Bluetooth LE connectivity to iPhone "6," and the Health app on iOS 8.  There might be a contest among media people to see who can jog the longest on the treadmill without passing out.  And Apple will make sure to mention the fact that their privacy policy has been reinforced to prevent app developers from selling iOS users' health information to advertisers.  Pay attention, Google weenies.

     

    2. Apple's actual television disruption hardware + software rollout.  In a house-like mock-up, with a TV monitor in each room and central Apple TV set-top device wirelessly streaming video and audio to multiple video and audio devices in the house.  Displaying content streamed from Apple servers, free with iAd, pay for no-iAd viewing, and all controlled by Siri.  And no bundling of useless clutter-channels that you'll never, ever watch.  Just exactly what you want to watch.  When you want to watch it.  Oh and live events, sports, and news, of course.  Kind of like iTunes Festival has been for years.

     

    3. Joint Tesla-Apple electric car with next-gen super-capacity ultra-fast-charge batteries.  The batteries will be built at Tesla's Gigafactory out in some US desert somewhere.  Three or four of the cars might be lined up, all running Car Play hardware.  And iOS 8 -> Yosemite Handoff so you can continue phone calls, movies, or iTunes Radio music streaming on your iMac in your home office when you arrive.  And no self-driving anything.

     

  • Reply 28 of 50
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

     


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    We will have to see what Apple comes up with but I'm not going to hold my breath. At the end of day I really don't like wearing watches anyway unless I'm going out, even then the first thing I take off when coming home is my watch. You guys, meaning the male users, might like them more, so I'm probably the wrong person to weigh in on the issue. The day they come out with a subdermal computer that I can see through my skin, nudge me, I'll be the first one in line for one of those as long as it doesn't have 666 displayed across the OS upon startup. How about that, not a futurist, bah, I just don't think a trinket on your wrist is anything of note.

  • Reply 29 of 50
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
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    Originally Posted by Relic View Post

     

     

    We will have to see what Apple comes up with but I'm not going to hold my breath. At the end of day I really don't like wearing watches anyway unless I'm going out, even then the first thing I take off when coming home is my watch. You guys, meaning the male users, might like them more, so I'm probably the wrong person to weigh in on the issue. The day they come out with a subdermal computer that I can see through my skin, nudge me, I'll be the first one in line for one of those as long as it doesn't have 666 displayed across the OS upon startup. How about that, not a futurist, bah, I just don't think a trinket on your wrist is anything of note.


     

    <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />  This was a delightful post.

  • Reply 30 of 50
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    cpsro wrote: »
    "manage expectations" => not as magical as many people have been expecting

    This has been a huge problem for all of Apples new products.
  • Reply 31 of 50
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Leave it to somebody from Switzerland to have an endless supply of watch photos. :smokey:
    relic wrote: »
    Interesting and amusing idea but Samsung and others have been developing and selling smart watches for years now, even if Apple decided to never come out with one the others would still produce them. NO one is copying Apple in this niche market and it's silly to even think otherwise.

    Deleted a billion watch pics. :smokey:
  • Reply 32 of 50
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    relic wrote: »
    True, but you know very well I was trying to quell the idea that others are just doing this to get ahead of Apple, especially Samsung and LG who have been making these stupid things for a while now, they just won't stop, who's buying this garbage. If Apple makes one, I will hold them under the same stupid category, outside of sports it's just a dumb idea.

    It isn't a totally dumb idea if the technology was there. A watch that completely replaces the cell phone in your pocket would be nice. I just don't see it as possible with today's technology. At least not in a watch people would want to wear.
  • Reply 33 of 50
    relic wrote: »
    Interesting and amusing idea but Samsung and others have been developing and selling smart watches for years now, even if Apple decided to never come out with one the others would still produce them. NO one is copying Apple in this niche market and it's silly to even think otherwise.

    Fossil (2000)
    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47772" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47772/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 358px; height: 500px">

    Samsung (1999 & 2009)
    <a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47775/" style="line-height:1.4em;"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47775" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47775/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 308px">
    </a>

    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">Even IBM played with the idea (2000 & 2001) yep, that's a password thumb reader.</span>

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47774" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47774/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 334px">

    <span style="line-height:1.4em;"> A few Microsoft Spot watches</span>

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47776" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47776/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 490px; height: 253px">

    ...and company's like Seiko, Casio and Citizen have been producing smart watches since the first calculator watch in the 70's
    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47777" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47777/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 281px">

    <img alt="" class="placeholder lightbox-enabled" data-id="47778" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47778/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 341px">

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47781" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47781/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 306px; height: 240px">

    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">As far as I'm concerned everyone is just copying this 1984's Seiko creation............</span>

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="47780" data-type="61" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/47780/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 281px">

    Just looking at the pics tells you it's nothing apple would release.

    Like the iPad or iPhone. They had the idea long time but waited until the tech was really there or they were able to develop it.

    Even then I remember how everybody was kind of hesitantly applauding when the iPad was introduced while Steve continued to sit there and repeat how magical it was. Only after some time the real value add was becoming clear.

    I am sure it will be the same for the wearable they are developing now. Apple has demonstrated in the past that they think carefully about customers' value add and gain in useful functionality. Also they certainly will address key questions like battery life or display. Maybe they follow the sunflower iMac approach in the sense thay they say why add a screen if we already have the best screen, the iPhone? Or why should it not (also) charge by kinetics because it would be natural for such a device.
    As for what it actually will do I am sure they also will circle around a few but clearly value adding features. Some of the health book stuff will be handled by the iPhone eg by the barometric sensor, gyro etc.
    So it might just add few key things like heart rate or NFC? In any case I am sure they feel it's as big as the iPhone intro due to the choice of venue. At the same time I have the impression it will not have hundreds bells and whistles but for a first gen it will be focused on a few features that still provide a step change but of course will let down many who expect all. Could be the reason for having a joint event as well.
    I am curious.
  • Reply 34 of 50
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    relic wrote: »
    I never said that Apple was first, I just really dislike reading about how everyone wants to always copy Apple. Inevitable, smart watches are already here, have been for 20 years. They've gotten better, sure, but a watch nowadays is still just a fashion accessory and the last thing I would want to buy is something that millions of people have as well. Is the smartwatch actually helpful, I don't think so, I can easily take out my phone to answer a call, read a text, listen to music, etc. It's a toy and not really a fun one at that as you're fighting an interface so tiny it will probably give you a headache. I understand those who would like to see their health statistics for sports or other health reasons but companies like Citizen already make fantastic watches for those purposes. If I wear a watch it's a going to be expensive, call me a snob but it's true, a piece of jewelery, made of precious metals and has no purpose other than to give me the time of day, if it does have smart functionality, it will then have to be hidden and not obvious. I'm sure people will buy Apple's iWatch but at the end of the day I highly doubt they'll be used for anything more than tell the time, maybe announce when a message comes through, if that's worth 300 plus bucks for a tacky gimick, go for it.

    relic wrote: »
    We will have to see what Apple comes up with but I'm not going to hold my breath. At the end of day I really don't like wearing watches anyway unless I'm going out, even then the first thing I take off when coming home is my watch. You guys, meaning the male users, might like them more, so I'm probably the wrong person to weigh in on the issue. The day they come out with a subdermal computer that I can see through my skin, nudge me, I'll be the first one in line for one of those as long as it doesn't have 666 displayed across the OS upon startup. How about that, not a futurist, bah, I just don't think a trinket on your wrist is anything of note.

    ^^^Both your posts were almost surely discussed practically verbatim within Apple and amoung the engineers. I agree with what you wrote, and it's why I think the iWatch is not going to be, look, or operate anything like we've seen before.

    While I think there may be a watch face made by Apple, it will be something else that can be "worn" or added to any accesory that someone chooses to wear on their wrist, arm, ankle... anything with skin contact.
  • Reply 35 of 50
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,695member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    No one is copying Apple because there is yet nothing to copy. That could all change in less than 2 weeks, just like it has for PCs, PMPs, smartphones and tablets.

    You are so right. I have been saying the following privately for several years but kept my opinion pretty much to myself on blogs as i didn't even want to take the risk anyone believed me. But here are my 2 cents on this now we are this close.

    The 'watch' in iWatch is not a noun, it's a verb.

    It is not 'watch' as in wristwatch or smart watch, it is 'watch' as in; 'watch over' or 'keep watch'. iWatch is not a thing, it is a technology. It may be Apple have some wearables to show the way at the front end or not, they may just be supplying the SDK to Polo Ralph Lauren for intelligent shirts and Nike for intelligent shoes and so on. There maybe an app for older iPhones that can do some things but only the new iPhone 6 will have the true dedicated hardware to fully utilize the output from iWatch wearables.

    The iWatch technology is also a massive back end system that one day will be able to interface with your personal medical data, your pharmacist and your doctor.

    It will be baby steps at first but iWatch will, in years to come, dwarf all else that is now Apple.

    p.s. Ironically I suspect, if I am right, many will not see the big picture and be disappointed this isn't just about a new smart watch! AAPL may even suffer over this in the short term.
  • Reply 36 of 50
    You are so right. I have been saying the following privately for several years but kept my opinion pretty much to myself on blogs as i didn't even want to take the risk anyone believed me. But here are my 2 cents on this now we are this close.

    The 'watch' in iWatch is not a noun, it's a verb.

    It is not 'watch' as in wristwatch or smart watch, it is 'watch' as in; 'watch over' or 'keep watch'. iWatch is not a thing, it is a technology. It may be Apple have some wearables to show the way at the front end or not, they may just be supplying the SDK to Polo Ralph Lauren for intelligent shirts and Nike for intelligent shoes and so on. There maybe an app for older iPhones that can do some things but only the new iPhone 6 will have the true dedicated hardware to fully utilize the output from iWatch wearables.

    The iWatch technology is also a massive back end system that one day will be able to interface with your personal medical data, your pharmacist and your doctor.

    It will be baby steps at first but iWatch will, in years to come, dwarf all else that is now Apple.

    p.s. Ironically I suspect, if I am right, many will not see the big picture and be disappointed this isn't just about a new smart watch! AAPL may even suffer over this in the short term.

    If you're right I hope it gets better traction than iCar has so far. I know it takes time to implement this on OEM level. But from press and other reactions it doesn't seem to be seen as "the next big thing". Maybe this will change within the next two years. Just like those polo shirts might be the normal thing to buy by then. Interesting times. :)
  • Reply 37 of 50
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,695member
    If you're right I hope it gets better traction than iCar has so far. I know it takes time to implement this on OEM level. But from press and other reactions it doesn't seem to be seen as "the next big thing". Maybe this will change within the next two years. Just like those polo shirts might be the normal thing to buy by then. Interesting times. :)

    No doubt it will take time if I am right. Heck even the iPhone wasn't immediately appreciated as all that of a ground breaking device by many. We look back and forget how quickly negatives evaporate as time compresses events.
  • Reply 38 of 50
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    I already carry a battery powered electronic device in my pocket- what purpose would it serve me to wear another battery powered electronic device?
    No thanks.
    Not only that but I haven't worn a watch in 10 years- why would I want to now?
  • Reply 39 of 50
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    You are so right. I have been saying the following privately for several years but kept my opinion pretty much to myself on blogs as i didn't even want to take the risk anyone believed me. But here are my 2 cents on this now we are this close.

    The 'watch' in iWatch is not a noun, it's a verb.

    It is not 'watch' as in wristwatch or smart watch, it is 'watch' as in; 'watch over' or 'keep watch'. iWatch is not a thing, it is a technology. It may be Apple have some wearables to show the way at the front end or not, they may just be supplying the SDK to Polo Ralph Lauren for intelligent shirts and Nike for intelligent shoes and so on. There maybe an app for older iPhones that can do some things but only the new iPhone 6 will have the true dedicated hardware to fully utilize the output from iWatch wearables.

    The iWatch technology is also a massive back end system that one day will be able to interface with your personal medical data, your pharmacist and your doctor.

    It will be baby steps at first but iWatch will, in years to come, dwarf all else that is now Apple.

    p.s. Ironically I suspect, if I am right, many will not see the big picture and be disappointed this isn't just about a new smart watch! AAPL may even suffer over this in the short term.

    Your's is the best take on the "iWatch" I've read so far. People are expecting a home run immediately, but just like the iPhone, and iPad the iWatch's true potential won't happen until developers realize it.
  • Reply 40 of 50
    No doubt it will take time if I am right. Heck even the iPhone wasn't immediately appreciated as all that of a ground breaking device by many. We look back and forget how quickly negatives evaporate as time compresses events.

    Yes. You're right. They lowered the price few weeks after the original iPhone was out. No copy paste. No real apps. And and and.
    Still, I sometimes watch the keynote and get goosepimples when the moment came "a phone. An iPod. An Internet communications device. A phone..." :)

    I really like when technology takes a step change. Be it in technology itself or usability of existing tech. Is it the ninth already? ;)
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