THE IPHONE WAS DESIGNED SO THAT MOBILE SITES COULD BE DONE AWAY WITH.
SINCE ITS LAUNCH, MOBILE SITES HAVE ONLY GROWN IN NUMBER.
HOW STUPID CAN CIVILIZATION BE.
This is why we haven’t been to Mars yet.
For several sites I like to visit, I find the mobile version to be a superior presentation, with a better meat-to-potato ratio. A few such sites have apps, and yet the mobile web version is still superior, IMO! Sometimes I even visit the mobile site using my computer browser.
How stupid? Stupid enough to give us 8 different USB port configurations, and still propose yet another. Kinda negates the "U" from USB.
I have the original app. I also have a few others.
But I never use them.
When these apps first came out, it was exciting. An app for a web site! Wow! This mobile Apple thing is really catching on.
But, as time went on, I found it to be really clumsy. It's so much easier using a browser where we have bookmarks organized in folders within the browser. With separate apps, it's a real pain. I suppose if some people only go to a few sites, this might be an advantage. But otherwise, no. It just seems to me that having an app for a site is a bit of hubris. It's saying that your site is so important that you will leave your convenient browser just to get to our app.
Even though AI is one of my favorite sites, it's just one of dozens I visit each day. Most of those also have apps. It's just too much work for the benefits of using an app. And most of those apps have gotten really bad reviews. So instead of using Safari, and all of the advantages it offers, I would have to go to a folder full of site apps, and open and close each one, possibly several times a day. Nope! Not gonna happen. I've learned my lesson.
As for sites forcing us into mobile mode, as many, though less as times goes on, do, they should offer the option of letting us choose what we want to view, and keep that info in the cookie, so that we don't have to click to the Desktop version every time we go to that site. I NEVER want the mobile site on my iPad, and usually don't for my iPhone. When I get a bigger phone this year, it will be even less often that I want the mobile site.
Ironic, isn't it? Apart from replacing Flash, they never had to do anything. Instead they gave us dedicated apps and 'mobile optimised' webpages. Both of them hardly anyone wants. The lack of vision is an iOpener.
Ironic, isn't it? Apart from replacing Flash, they never had to do anything. Instead they gave us dedicated apps and 'mobile optimised' webpages. Both of them hardly anyone wants. The lack of vision is an iOpener.
I'd agree with melgross's comment, which you quoted, about offering an app for your site. It's tantamount to admitting that your regular website is so poorly designed that you need a whole dedicated program just to view the content. And some are. Some are.
And some apps have no practical value, vis a vis the Walmart app. All it does is let you view the weekly print ad--poorly. It can't show you store pricing (you still have to hunt for a functional price-check station), can't help you find what you want in their vast retail store, doesn't offer any special pricing or other benefit, won't let you scan a barcode and read user reviews on their website, and offers no liaison to their site-to-store offerings, for instances when you're in the store and it doesn't carry what you want. It won't let you build a shopping list with shelf-to-shelf mapping guidance to make your store visit more efficient (thus reducing the cluster-fack of bewildered and frustrated shoppers milling about on any given saturday). There are so MANY things they could code into their app, but don't... it must be a one-person development effort back at the home office.
I don't expect their app to tell you "we don't carry that, but you can buy it at Gimbles", but it sure would be nice if it allowed you to send a buzz to the customer service desk when there are 8 people ahead of you in every line, and they need another cashier or two for a transient surge.
And some apps have no practical value, vis a vis the Walmart app.
I wouldn't know about Walmart, but that surely sounds pathetic. Though in my country we even have companies that made an app that only displays the .pdf that many already received as hardcopy in the mail. Guess it beats a website showing their catalogue in Flash.
Keep the rants coming; you made a good point. Several, actually.
For open a link to a new tab, just tap on 4 lines you know for reader just beside the website address on top right corner, it'll show blue link where u can tap and open in a new page
Nice. But, it should really be a responsive site, instead of an iphone-specific site. Responsive is the way to go.
It's not iPhone specific it's mobile specific. It's not much different than responsive, which has its own drawbacks too, especially when trying to reformat things like commenting windows after rotating your screen and still not being able to pinch to zoom.
It's not iPhone specific it's mobile specific. It's not much different than responsive, which has its own drawbacks too, especially when trying to reformat things like commenting windows after rotating your screen and still not being able to pinch to zoom.
Well, the iphone.appleinsider.com url it directed me to had me fooled then.
It's nice. I share other commenters view that it should support long taps to bring up a context menu from which the user could open an article into a new tab. This is just how I interact with the internet; I quickly review the list of articles, opening each one I want to read into a new tab, then I have my reading list available to me should I get interrupted while reading through it. I don;t have to keep going back to the parent list, scroll through to find the next unread article I'm interested in. I just, through time, knock down each of the opened tabs. Eventually I'm through them all, while being able to go about my highly interrupt-driven day. By not letting me open into a new tab, I'll be somewhere in the one article I dived down into when I get interrupted and then, I'm off to something else and I may not come back to read more articles. I lose and AI loses.
Ironic, isn't it? Apart from replacing Flash, they never had to do anything. Instead they gave us dedicated apps and 'mobile optimised' webpages. Both of them hardly anyone wants. The lack of vision is an iOpener.
I'll tell ya something. My first cell phone was a Samsung i300 color Palm phone. It had Edge. Edge! Wow! I could actually use the Internet on my phone.
Well...the browser didn't do much. Every site that would work needed to use the then current mobile spec. Essentially that was the title name for the site, and a number of folders arranged sort of like tabbed folders you see in a file cabinet. Even Apple's site was like that. And as for speed, well that word just didn't apply. It could take as long as five minutes for most sites to appear, particularly if there were any graphics of pictures, which were tiny. We would get an average of 4Kbs.
What we get with mobile sites are a remainder of that. Much better, but annoying. One thing I don't like about them is that that they don't seem to allow a comments section which is there on the regular Desktop site. Often, navigation is difficult, or non existent. What bothers me is that while many sites that used to force this, don't, but others that didn't, do.
I like the new look. Only one issue. If you add a shortcut to this site on the home screen, it works as a mobile app, as it is supposed to, by removing the Safari controls, but when you click on an article, it takes you back to mobile Safari, which is annoying.
It did that before and I was hoping the issue will be addressed with this redesign but unfortunately it was not.
I wouldn't know about Walmart, but that surely sounds pathetic. Though in my country we even have companies that made an app that only displays the .pdf that many already received as hardcopy in the mail. Guess it beats a website showing their catalogue in Flash.
Keep the rants coming; you made a good point. Several, actually.
I'll second that suggestion!
We have the same in Germany. About 3 years ago I was actually considering getting into dev'ing Apps for my customers, but in responsive was on the horizon and picking up steam... so I decided to wait. Very glad I did... and it wasn't all for naught because I learned a lot about iOS. I took a good course from Apple U/Stanford.
29 MINUTES -> Apple 3.0
At this point, here's wishing the Apple Team a huge success with the presentation, with as few "failures" as humanly possible.
Chief among them that Craig doesn't do any "Hair Skits" with anyone!...
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THE IPHONE WAS DESIGNED SO THAT MOBILE SITES COULD BE DONE AWAY WITH.
SINCE ITS LAUNCH, MOBILE SITES HAVE ONLY GROWN IN NUMBER.
HOW STUPID CAN CIVILIZATION BE.
This is why we haven’t been to Mars yet.
For several sites I like to visit, I find the mobile version to be a superior presentation, with a better meat-to-potato ratio. A few such sites have apps, and yet the mobile web version is still superior, IMO! Sometimes I even visit the mobile site using my computer browser.
How stupid? Stupid enough to give us 8 different USB port configurations, and still propose yet another. Kinda negates the "U" from USB.
Ironic, isn't it? Apart from replacing Flash, they never had to do anything. Instead they gave us dedicated apps and 'mobile optimised' webpages. Both of them hardly anyone wants. The lack of vision is an iOpener.
Like it!
"I love standards; there are so many to choose from."
Ironic, isn't it? Apart from replacing Flash, they never had to do anything. Instead they gave us dedicated apps and 'mobile optimised' webpages. Both of them hardly anyone wants. The lack of vision is an iOpener.
I'd agree with melgross's comment, which you quoted, about offering an app for your site. It's tantamount to admitting that your regular website is so poorly designed that you need a whole dedicated program just to view the content. And some are. Some are.
And some apps have no practical value, vis a vis the Walmart app. All it does is let you view the weekly print ad--poorly. It can't show you store pricing (you still have to hunt for a functional price-check station), can't help you find what you want in their vast retail store, doesn't offer any special pricing or other benefit, won't let you scan a barcode and read user reviews on their website, and offers no liaison to their site-to-store offerings, for instances when you're in the store and it doesn't carry what you want. It won't let you build a shopping list with shelf-to-shelf mapping guidance to make your store visit more efficient (thus reducing the cluster-fack of bewildered and frustrated shoppers milling about on any given saturday). There are so MANY things they could code into their app, but don't... it must be a one-person development effort back at the home office.
I don't expect their app to tell you "we don't carry that, but you can buy it at Gimbles", but it sure would be nice if it allowed you to send a buzz to the customer service desk when there are 8 people ahead of you in every line, and they need another cashier or two for a transient surge.
/rant.
Nice. But, it should really be a responsive site, instead of an iphone-specific site. Responsive is the way to go.
Agree 100%.
I wouldn't know about Walmart, but that surely sounds pathetic. Though in my country we even have companies that made an app that only displays the .pdf that many already received as hardcopy in the mail. Guess it beats a website showing their catalogue in Flash.
Keep the rants coming; you made a good point. Several, actually.
1st Step:
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2nd Step:
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3rd Step: [IMG]http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/48358/width/200/height/400[/IMG]
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Tap on reader icon and then there's blue links where u can tap/hold and tap open a new page
Nice. But, it should really be a responsive site, instead of an iphone-specific site. Responsive is the way to go.
It's not iPhone specific it's mobile specific. It's not much different than responsive, which has its own drawbacks too, especially when trying to reformat things like commenting windows after rotating your screen and still not being able to pinch to zoom.
My navi bar does not have those 4 lines.
It's not iPhone specific it's mobile specific. It's not much different than responsive, which has its own drawbacks too, especially when trying to reformat things like commenting windows after rotating your screen and still not being able to pinch to zoom.
Well, the iphone.appleinsider.com url it directed me to had me fooled then.
Layout is nice, but I can't Tap+Hold on an article & open the article in a new tab!! Annoying!!
"You're tapping it wrong."
j/k! I'd like the ability to tap+hold to open in a new tab as well!
I've always done the same. I need many tabs.
"You're tapping it wrong."
j/k! I'd like the ability to tap+hold to open in a new tab as well!
LMAO!!! Awesome!!!
I'll tell ya something. My first cell phone was a Samsung i300 color Palm phone. It had Edge. Edge! Wow! I could actually use the Internet on my phone.
Well...the browser didn't do much. Every site that would work needed to use the then current mobile spec. Essentially that was the title name for the site, and a number of folders arranged sort of like tabbed folders you see in a file cabinet. Even Apple's site was like that. And as for speed, well that word just didn't apply. It could take as long as five minutes for most sites to appear, particularly if there were any graphics of pictures, which were tiny. We would get an average of 4Kbs.
What we get with mobile sites are a remainder of that. Much better, but annoying. One thing I don't like about them is that that they don't seem to allow a comments section which is there on the regular Desktop site. Often, navigation is difficult, or non existent. What bothers me is that while many sites that used to force this, don't, but others that didn't, do.
It did that before and I was hoping the issue will be addressed with this redesign but unfortunately it was not.
And apple supported the international community in backing micro USB for all to prevent waste for all of a few minutes before lightning struck
I'll second that suggestion!
We have the same in Germany. About 3 years ago I was actually considering getting into dev'ing Apps for my customers, but in responsive was on the horizon and picking up steam... so I decided to wait. Very glad I did... and it wasn't all for naught because I learned a lot about iOS. I took a good course from Apple U/Stanford.
29 MINUTES -> Apple 3.0
At this point, here's wishing the Apple Team a huge success with the presentation, with as few "failures" as humanly possible.
Chief among them that Craig doesn't do any "Hair Skits" with anyone!...