Daggumit! Seeimg this thread has made me want to give this sotup amother try. Memory muscle is a bitch. I'm goimg to force myself to use Dvorak for at least the mext week. If I can keep a decent rate for normal English (hopefully at least 30-40 WPM) then I'll try to keepp with it for another month.
This message was painfully typed im Dvorak. Bah! even the punctuation has moved all around...
If i have some spare time i might give it a try. A question to anyone who uses it, is it really that fast, and what happens when you move to a computer that doesnt have it?
If yau have used qwerty since you were a toddler, making the transition is extpemely difficult. I have real doubts that I can unlearn so many years of typimg in any reasonable time, but I am trying.... desperately. Dont expect to be usimg iChat for a while.
If you sit down to a non-dvorak keyboard, it is easy to switch on in Mac OS X. In the System Prefs, International, Input menu. I have no idea how to do it in Windows or Linux, though. This would be very important to know in places like labs at university or in businesses.
Can I reiterate that moving your keys around is a bad move.
If you are looking at your keys then you aren't touch typing. If you aren't touch typing then you will receive little, if any, benefit from Dvorak.
If you're looking for a crazy keyboard mod to make your iBook stand out from the crowd then learn to touch type and then remove the legends from your keys leaving them completely blank.
<strong>I don't see why anyone would do this. Doesn't it get confusing when you use someone else's computer?</strong><hr></blockquote>
[dvorak] i think that once a person learns it, its supposed to be fairly easy to switch between modes or just be good at both. [/dvorak]
[qwerty] i know the home pretty well, now, but i haven't been practicing above and below too much, so i'm still still poking all around for those. [/qwerty]
<strong>If yau have used qwerty since you were a toddler, making the transition is extpemely difficult. I have real doubts that I can unlearn so many years of typimg in any reasonable time, but I am trying.... desperately. Dont expect to be usimg iChat for a while.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Heh... can't believe that this thread is around and kicking this long after I started it. As for dvorak, I use it almost all the time. I'm faster in dvorak than qwerty, though I can still type ~60 wpm in qwerty if I have to.
Brad: I thought the same thing as I started to make the transition, but our muscle memory isn't as good as we think, sometimes. I had fully unlearned qwerty within 3-4 days, and had learned dvorak in its place in another 3-4 days. After a month of strictly dvorak, I started using both layouts equally during the day, and now I use dvorak on my laptop (web surfing, chatting, e-mail, any reports) and use qwerty on my desktop (games, java programming).
My muscle memory now actually has me trained to automatically use the proper layout for the machine I'm on at any given moment. I can switch back and forth many times per minute and not get confused. However if I switch the layouts on each machine, I can't type without a great deal of effort for the next 15 minutes. Our minds sure are crazy machines...
I encourage anybody who can give up a week of typing to at least try dvorak. If you can get past the initial frustration, you'll benefit greatly in the years to come.
-Ender
P.S.: iChat was the biggest help to me when I was trying to learn dvorak. I don't know why.
Can any of you e mail me a good place to buy a devork keyboard and does it run on osx. I really want one and i know i can learn it fast. I am a dencent t yper. And if it has f keys as well as numpad and the elp home del page down etc and erros would be sweet.
James
[quote]Originally posted by Ender:
<strong>Well?
I'm just learning, but it seems very nice. Thoughts?
-Ender
(yeah, I'm still awfully slow, so I'm keeping this short.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Can any of you e mail me a good place to buy a devork keyboard and does it run on osx...</strong><hr></blockquote>As has already been pointed out, you don't need a separate keyboard for Dvorak. To switch the layout in software, go to the System Prefs - International - Input Menu. Check the box for Dvorak. Now you can switch layouts on the fly from the new menu atop your screen (probably looks like a flag). If you think you need to glance down as you are typing, you can simply rearrange the keys on your keyboard. You can also use Apple's keycaps app to look at how the keys are arranged. The number pad and home-end-del-etc. and F-keys remain the same.
<strong>Can I reiterate that moving your keys around is a bad move.
If you are looking at your keys then you aren't touch typing. If you aren't touch typing then you will receive little, if any, benefit from Dvorak.
If you're looking for a crazy keyboard mod to make your iBook stand out from the crowd then learn to touch type and then remove the legends from your keys leaving them completely blank.</strong><hr></blockquote>
it may be a bad move... but what if someone else is using your computer?
wouldnt it be nice to have the correct keys be in the right spots?
I mean sure you can switch back to qwerty... but thats a pain in the ass...
It would look a whole lot better...
I wish apple had an option to buy a dvorak keyboard from them that was correctly laid out an everything...
and the command keys were painted in a light gray underneath the main keys...
yeah, i realized that like 5 min after I switched... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> oh well too late now
(it is hard to type w/o keys and in dvorak at the same time hehe)
<strong>you can also use Apple's keycaps app to look at how the keys are arranged. The number pad and home-end-del-etc. and F-keys remain the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>
is there any way to make the keycaps app be a floating windowZ
what about animating it so there is some visual feedback as to where you are typing geographically...
<strong>is there any way to make the keycaps app be a floating windowZ</strong><hr></blockquote>Nope, not AFICT.
[quote]<strong>what about animating it so there is some visual feedback as to where you are typing geographically</strong><hr></blockquote>Huh? It a/ready automatically changes keys when you change layouts.
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This message was painfully typed im Dvorak. Bah! even the punctuation has moved all around...
If you sit down to a non-dvorak keyboard, it is easy to switch on in Mac OS X. In the System Prefs, International, Input menu. I have no idea how to do it in Windows or Linux, though. This would be very important to know in places like labs at university or in businesses.
I,d like to know too.
<strong>Ah, a note of warning. Mac OS X's login screen does not initially appear to use Dvorak... hmmm.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have mine on select names from a list, and my password is all numbers.
Amorya
<strong>Can I physically rearrange my iceBook keyboard?</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes. you should be able to "pop" them off with a knife or something.
or get a second one on <a href="http://www.pbparts.com/store/agora.cgi?product=_i"; target="_blank">pbparts.com</a>
If you are looking at your keys then you aren't touch typing. If you aren't touch typing then you will receive little, if any, benefit from Dvorak.
If you're looking for a crazy keyboard mod to make your iBook stand out from the crowd then learn to touch type and then remove the legends from your keys leaving them completely blank.
<strong>I don't see why anyone would do this. Doesn't it get confusing when you use someone else's computer?</strong><hr></blockquote>
[dvorak] i think that once a person learns it, its supposed to be fairly easy to switch between modes or just be good at both. [/dvorak]
[qwerty] i know the home pretty well, now, but i haven't been practicing above and below too much, so i'm still still poking all around for those. [/qwerty]
<strong>If yau have used qwerty since you were a toddler, making the transition is extpemely difficult. I have real doubts that I can unlearn so many years of typimg in any reasonable time, but I am trying.... desperately. Dont expect to be usimg iChat for a while.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Heh... can't believe that this thread is around and kicking this long after I started it. As for dvorak, I use it almost all the time. I'm faster in dvorak than qwerty, though I can still type ~60 wpm in qwerty if I have to.
Brad: I thought the same thing as I started to make the transition, but our muscle memory isn't as good as we think, sometimes. I had fully unlearned qwerty within 3-4 days, and had learned dvorak in its place in another 3-4 days. After a month of strictly dvorak, I started using both layouts equally during the day, and now I use dvorak on my laptop (web surfing, chatting, e-mail, any reports) and use qwerty on my desktop (games, java programming).
My muscle memory now actually has me trained to automatically use the proper layout for the machine I'm on at any given moment. I can switch back and forth many times per minute and not get confused. However if I switch the layouts on each machine, I can't type without a great deal of effort for the next 15 minutes. Our minds sure are crazy machines...
I encourage anybody who can give up a week of typing to at least try dvorak. If you can get past the initial frustration, you'll benefit greatly in the years to come.
-Ender
P.S.: iChat was the biggest help to me when I was trying to learn dvorak. I don't know why.
James
[quote]Originally posted by Ender:
<strong>Well?
I'm just learning, but it seems very nice. Thoughts?
-Ender
(yeah, I'm still awfully slow, so I'm keeping this short.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Can any of you e mail me a good place to buy a devork keyboard and does it run on osx...</strong><hr></blockquote>As has already been pointed out, you don't need a separate keyboard for Dvorak. To switch the layout in software, go to the System Prefs - International - Input Menu. Check the box for Dvorak. Now you can switch layouts on the fly from the new menu atop your screen (probably looks like a flag). If you think you need to glance down as you are typing, you can simply rearrange the keys on your keyboard. You can also use Apple's keycaps app to look at how the keys are arranged. The number pad and home-end-del-etc. and F-keys remain the same.
<strong>Can I reiterate that moving your keys around is a bad move.
If you are looking at your keys then you aren't touch typing. If you aren't touch typing then you will receive little, if any, benefit from Dvorak.
If you're looking for a crazy keyboard mod to make your iBook stand out from the crowd then learn to touch type and then remove the legends from your keys leaving them completely blank.</strong><hr></blockquote>
it may be a bad move... but what if someone else is using your computer?
wouldnt it be nice to have the correct keys be in the right spots?
I mean sure you can switch back to qwerty... but thats a pain in the ass...
It would look a whole lot better...
I wish apple had an option to buy a dvorak keyboard from them that was correctly laid out an everything...
and the command keys were painted in a light gray underneath the main keys...
anyone know how to remove the whole thing from the computer so I can clean the keyboard w/o bringing the whole computer into tho bathroom?
[ 01-02-2003: Message edited by: Paul ]</p>
<strong>I mean sure you can switch back to qwerty... but thats a pain in the ass...</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh, come on...
(it is hard to type w/o keys and in dvorak at the same time hehe)
(ps... how did you turn off menu blinking?
errrrr never mind it is a gif)
[ 01-02-2003: Message edited by: Paul ]</p>
<strong>you can also use Apple's keycaps app to look at how the keys are arranged. The number pad and home-end-del-etc. and F-keys remain the same.</strong><hr></blockquote>
is there any way to make the keycaps app be a floating windowZ
what about animating it so there is some visual feedback as to where you are typing geographically...
(damn it is annoying to type like this.....)
<strong>is there any way to make the keycaps app be a floating windowZ</strong><hr></blockquote>Nope, not AFICT.
[quote]<strong>what about animating it so there is some visual feedback as to where you are typing geographically</strong><hr></blockquote>Huh?