holmstockd wrote: »
Am i the only one here that believes this is all a ploy to make the people THINK that the devices are government NSA proof?
lol thanks - this always comes to mind when it comes to EGO - is that a greater then THEM is at stake and any of these government mouthpieces are disposable - http://www.naturalnews.com/023727_power_government_butter.html
First of all, don't at least 95% of iPhone users sync to another device or to iCloud which is not encrypted in a way that authorities couldn't get in if they wanted to?
Secondly, this whole kidnapping scenario is a red herring. Let them show that there have been kidnapping cases in which they were resolved based upon obtaining physical access to a locked phone. My bet is that it has never happened. I think they've been watching too many crime shows on TV where they're holding the alleged kidnapper and he refuses to cooperate and little Susie is locked up in some underground chamber somewhere.
When they have (supposedly) stopped incidents of terrorism, has it ever been because they had physical access to a phone? Or was it because they monitored email or phone conversations over networks, which they would still have access to, either legally or illegally?
And I agree with those who state that they would get a lot more understanding from the general public if they hadn't overstepped their bounds and spied on Americans illegally or through gross misinterpretations of the law.
What damning revelations? That PRISM was a standard subpoena procedure? Or that the NSA never actually mass collected cell phone or internet data domestically? Snowden made a bunch of exaggerated and/or false claims about those things initially in order to hide the fact that his most valuable data was related to foreign surveillance, not domestic.
I used to think people were tin foil-hat paranoids before all the revelations about just how far the government had gone in terms of domestic spying on Americans who had no relationship to criminal or terrorist activity. I used to think that the Government wasn't capable of organizing a lunch, never mind an organization that was spying on everyone.
The approach of attempting to spy on everything because "we might need it later" not only violates our freedoms, but this "piece of dust in a haystack" approach is counter-productive. If the government used its efforts to concentrate on those for which there is evidence (remember evidence?) that they're engaged in serious criminal or terrorist activity, it would probably make us safer in the long run. And that's aside from the $ trillions in taxpayer money used to support all this.
The approach of attempting to spy on everything because "we might need it later" not only violates our freedoms, but this "piece of dust in a haystack" approach is counter-productive.
They aren't spying on everything. The major phone companies like Verizon testified in front of Congress (with proof) that the only domestic metadata that had been mass collected by the NSA was from land line phones. No cell phone or internet.
Also, the major tech companies like Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc. proved that PRISM was a standard subpoena procedure with limited scope, not an unlimited backdoor access to servers.
Get warrant for thumb print and hold to phone.
If Eric Holder is complaining, then Apple is doing something right.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin
You’re damned if you do; damned if you don’t.
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Well since our government still has all those fake cell towers gathering all our cell data, how big a problem can a few million encrypted cellphones be when they can still intercept all transmissions anyway.
"1984" is our Government's game plan.
They currently have cameras almost everywhere and facial recognition so they know who you are, where you've been and where you are going. They can monitor your charge card for every purchase you make from books and movies to what brand of toothpaste you buy. They can locate your cellphone even if you are not using it, unless the power is removed. Yes, our government is indeed extremely capable of watching us. You don't need a tinfoil hat but you should know that you are very trackable, especially if you are on the grid. They track everyone, whether innocent or guilty, just because they have the technology to do so and have endless funding from us. They have our checkbook and buy all the technology they want and we gleefully (well maybe not gleefully) pay for it without question.
Wonder what other technology our government has that we don't yet know about?
I encourage everyone to go back and read George Orwell's "1984" and you will probably be surprised at how many things mirror that book today.
•You have the government controlling what words we can use. Yesterday I read some members of congress wants to outlaw the word "Redskins" in print and media.
•Big Brother now watches us through tens of thousands of cameras. Next time you get on an airplane or train smile at the cameras.
•They are capable of monitoring all of our telephone conversations.
•They sre effectively able to control the press and openly bar particularly critical reporters from events. They even go as far as to persecute those in the press who are at odds with them. "DOJ seized emails and phone records of Fox News correspondent James Rosen." for example.
•School textbooks are being altered to misrepresent our constitution. A recent high school textbook quotes the Second Amendment as, "The people have a right to keep and bear arms in a state militia." The actual second amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I have to ask, is this the country that we, our parents and grand parents fought and many died for? Is this still the same home of the FREE as it was just a few decades ago? I think not. I fear this will not end well. As long as we remain sheep, we will be herded to wherever Big Brother wants us.
We have ceded our government way too much control and power. We have blindly let them wipe their feet on our constitution. We have ignored what they have done and are doing to our free country. Today, our young adults know every the brand and model of cellphone on the market but can't name any members of our congress or of the supreme court. How did this happen? We just went to sleep and let this happen. Wake up and vote. Lets take our country back and hope it is not too late.
If they want information they can ask for it.
There are certain rights guaranteed under the constitution, the presumption of innocence and the right to silence are just two that spring to mind.
As an Australian I am not sure of what rights I hold when American law enforcement agencies want to snoop on my stuff, something they demand from the rest of the world.
That's easy for American law enforcement, resisting arrest and assaulting officers are the commonly used excuses they use to get away with killing innocent people.
"He assaulted my boot with his face, so I had to shoot him seventeen times."