Now that he's out there's going to be lots of pressure on him to be active in gay right causes. I hope he resists the temptation. The focus should on about Apple and its products not Tim Cook.
If he had come out as a cancer surviver or recovering alcoholic would you begrudge him supporting those causes?
I don't know what work you do (obviously), but would you want your employer (or investors in your employer) to be debating what you do on your own time?
Actually, there's almost no personal downside saying you're gay if you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. See Richard Branson and Jeffery Katzenberg (sp?).
Yeah, super gay, see how gay he is, you meant the happy gay right?
I pretty much agree with everything you said in this bit, but it doesn't just apply to gays and lesbians. The chief difference is that he has to tell people he's gay, while Nadella doesn't have to tell anyone he's Asian, and Meyer doesn't have to announce she's a woman.
The problem with this statement is that you're minimizing what's happening. On this day, and in relation to this action, it's about making life better for those struggling with having a sexual orientation that isn't in the majority. Don't minimize the importance of that action and it's effect on the world simply because you have a struggle which also needs to be addressed.
On the day when Malala Yousafzai spoke at the UN about the plight of women in the world, I certainly wouldn't have thought to diminish her moment by changing the dialog to be about gay and lesbian marginalization.
If he had come out as a cancer surviver or recovering alcoholic would you begrudge him supporting those causes?
I don't know what work you do (obviously), but would you want your employer (or investors in your employer) to be debating what you do on your own time?
Those aren't controversial issues. I'd feel the same way if Cook's politics were more conservative and he became an activist in a controversial conservative cause. There's a difference between the average Joe who works for a corporation and the CEO,
Those aren't controversial issues. I'd feel the same way if Cook's politics were more conservative and he became an activist in a controversial conservative cause. There's a difference between the average Joe who works for a corporation and the CEO,
What about if Tim Cook said he was a member of a Tea Party group? Would liberals and progressives denounce Apple?
I know that the founder of Whole Foods (John Mackey) has strong political opinions and that has earned Whole Foods the wrath of liberals/progressives. In fact, he was told by his board to shut up about it when he's in the public eye.
Okay, when I take you back to my hotelroom I'll need to you to put on a strap on because I'm like super gay, so then why don't you get a man, wow, wow, wow, I'm not that gay.
Reading through this thread and the earlier thread, my opinion on this is that it was good that Tim Cook came out and was open about his sexuality. I think it is good PR for him to get out in front of this and make it his statement, rather than waiting for the press to catch him in a candid moment and "out" him at a time of their bidding.
People keep on talking about a distraction, but if this is a distraction, what better time to take a break from the business - Apple just had a successful launch of a new generation of phones that are putting a huge dent in their competition; they have laid out the roadmap for current and future products; are entering a new lucrative market (ApplePay); and in almost every way are basking in the glow of success. Why not make the announcement now when things are good, rather than have it leak out at some point when Apple is under stress?
Being forthcoming to the media is something that more CEOs should be - it keeps the rumor mills from making up things and speculating on lifestyle issues. How many CEOs have been drawn through the muck for marital infidelities or prostitutes? How many have had to answer in the glaring spotlight about other personal matters at absolutely the wrong time. By coming out at a time of his choosing, Cook can spin the whole thing in the best manner and turn it into a plus for the company, as opposed to what can happen when news comes out at the most inopportune time.
The best thing Cook expressed, IMO, is learning how other minorities feel. This is called empathy. That's the most important feature of the human race.
Whenever I see people bashing anyone else for being "emo", my first impression of the basher is that they're antipathetic. It often seems to me that the most vocal people on the Internet are celebrating their antipathy and intolerance of each other. It's good to see when the tide has shifted on particular topics. I think the Internet, as a communications tool, has helped immensely in this way. Peer pressure and ridicule is actually a useful tool to pressure the antipathetic bigot into realizing society won't tolerate their bigotry.
I've been through the empathy-learning minority experience myself, despite being a privileged heterosexual white male, born into a middle class American family (I've since fallen through the cracks in the system, against my best efforts, settling into poverty and disability status, and seeing how many people suddenly treat me like I'm an unwanted and despised foreigner).
Now, if only more high profile people would come out of the closet on being atheist, so the rest of us can stop being demonized and reviled by the masses...
Reading through this thread and the earlier thread, my opinion on this is that it was good that Tim Cook came out and was open about his sexuality. I think it is good PR for him to get out in front of this and make it his statement, rather than waiting for the press to catch him in a candid moment and "out" him at a time of their bidding.
People keep on talking about a distraction, but if this is a distraction, what better time to take a break from the business - Apple just had a successful launch of a new generation of phones that are putting a huge dent in their competition; they have laid out the roadmap for current and future products; are entering a new lucrative market (ApplePay); and in almost every way are basking in the glow of success. Why not make the announcement now when things are good, rather than have it leak out at some point when Apple is under stress?
Being forthcoming to the media is something that more CEOs should be - it keeps the rumor mills from making up things and speculating on lifestyle issues. How many CEOs have been drawn through the muck for marital infidelities or prostitutes? How many have had to answer in the glaring spotlight about other personal matters at absolutely the wrong time. By coming out at a time of his choosing, Cook can spin the whole thing in the best manner and turn it into a plus for the company, as opposed to what can happen when news comes out at the most inopportune time.
But his being gay is not remotely equitable to marital infidelity. It's just who he is, that's all.
@rogifan I think they: 1- know each other 2- are friends.
I don't think Clinton knows you, does he?
Also, @auxio if you look up #gamergate on google, you'll find being a straight woman is grounds for discrimination.
Little white male rant coming up:
Actually, even being WHITE MALE is grounds for discrimination, like being a white male farmer in West Africa. Few are still there, most left losing everything. We humans aren't very good with not discriminating the local minorities. We're getting better, because after a few enlightened people, some of which of colour, in the USA and in France, back in the 18th century, brought that idea out that color did not matter, we started evolving the idea that all humans should be equal. However, we still have a tremendous way to go, towards all and each. If at least, like Tim Cook, we'd all admit how privileged we are, thanks to the sacrifice of others, we'd help out so much.
The best thing Cook expressed, IMO, is learning how other minorities feel. This is called empathy. That's the most important feature of the human race.
Whenever I see people bashing anyone else for being "emo", my first impression of the basher is that they're antipathetic. It often seems to me that the most vocal people on the Internet are celebrating their antipathy and intolerance of each other. It's good to see when the tide has shifted on particular topics. I think the Internet, as a communications tool, has helped immensely in this way. Peer pressure and ridicule is actually a useful tool to pressure the antipathetic bigot into realizing society won't tolerate their bigotry.
I've been through the empathy-learning minority experience myself, despite being a privileged heterosexual white male, born into a middle class American family (I've since fallen through the cracks in the system, against my best efforts, settling into poverty and disability status, and seeing how many people suddenly treat me like I'm an unwanted and despised foreigner).
Now, if only more high profile people would come out of the closet on being atheist, so the rest of us can stop being demonized and reviled by the masses...
OK, I actually know for a fact that Richard Branson is an atheist. Wikipedia sez so.
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Now that he's out there's going to be lots of pressure on him to be active in gay right causes. I hope he resists the temptation. The focus should on about Apple and its products not Tim Cook.
If he had come out as a cancer surviver or recovering alcoholic would you begrudge him supporting those causes?
I don't know what work you do (obviously), but would you want your employer (or investors in your employer) to be debating what you do on your own time?
You are correct. No "personal" downside.
Because if you are rich, you can't be ostracised and you don't feel criticism and you're otherwise invulnerable?
Because if you are rich, you can't be ostracised and you don't feel criticism and you're otherwise invulnerable?
Yes?
Actually, there's almost no personal downside saying you're gay if you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. See Richard Branson and Jeffery Katzenberg (sp?).
Yeah, super gay, see how gay he is, you meant the happy gay right?
Yeah, super gay, see how gay he is, you meant the happy gay right?
Now that you mention it, "overcompensating" does come to mind.
Yeah, super gay, see how gay he is, you meant the happy gay right?
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Oh, those nutty billionaires.
Now that you mention it, "overcompensating" does come to mind.
LOL!
I pretty much agree with everything you said in this bit, but it doesn't just apply to gays and lesbians. The chief difference is that he has to tell people he's gay, while Nadella doesn't have to tell anyone he's Asian, and Meyer doesn't have to announce she's a woman.
The problem with this statement is that you're minimizing what's happening. On this day, and in relation to this action, it's about making life better for those struggling with having a sexual orientation that isn't in the majority. Don't minimize the importance of that action and it's effect on the world simply because you have a struggle which also needs to be addressed.
On the day when Malala Yousafzai spoke at the UN about the plight of women in the world, I certainly wouldn't have thought to diminish her moment by changing the dialog to be about gay and lesbian marginalization.
Those aren't controversial issues. I'd feel the same way if Cook's politics were more conservative and he became an activist in a controversial conservative cause. There's a difference between the average Joe who works for a corporation and the CEO,
Tim Cook is the only CEO in the Fortune 1000 who is openly out
David Geffen and possibly Jeffrey Katzenberg might qualify?
Those aren't controversial issues. I'd feel the same way if Cook's politics were more conservative and he became an activist in a controversial conservative cause. There's a difference between the average Joe who works for a corporation and the CEO,
What about if Tim Cook said he was a member of a Tea Party group? Would liberals and progressives denounce Apple?
I know that the founder of Whole Foods (John Mackey) has strong political opinions and that has earned Whole Foods the wrath of liberals/progressives. In fact, he was told by his board to shut up about it when he's in the public eye.
What about if Tim Cook said he was a member of a Tea Party group? Would liberals and progressives denounce Apple?
Well, they denounced Mozilla didn’t they. Political correctness is a one-way street in the U.S. or didn’t you know that?
Well, they denounced Mozilla didn’t they. Political correctness is a one-way street in the U.S. or didn’t you know that?
I'm unfamiliar with Mozilla's story... but yes, I'm well aware of the one-way street theory.
Although.......
Okay, when I take you back to my hotelroom I'll need to you to put on a strap on because I'm like super gay, so then why don't you get a man, wow, wow, wow, I'm not that gay.
Reading through this thread and the earlier thread, my opinion on this is that it was good that Tim Cook came out and was open about his sexuality. I think it is good PR for him to get out in front of this and make it his statement, rather than waiting for the press to catch him in a candid moment and "out" him at a time of their bidding.
People keep on talking about a distraction, but if this is a distraction, what better time to take a break from the business - Apple just had a successful launch of a new generation of phones that are putting a huge dent in their competition; they have laid out the roadmap for current and future products; are entering a new lucrative market (ApplePay); and in almost every way are basking in the glow of success. Why not make the announcement now when things are good, rather than have it leak out at some point when Apple is under stress?
Being forthcoming to the media is something that more CEOs should be - it keeps the rumor mills from making up things and speculating on lifestyle issues. How many CEOs have been drawn through the muck for marital infidelities or prostitutes? How many have had to answer in the glaring spotlight about other personal matters at absolutely the wrong time. By coming out at a time of his choosing, Cook can spin the whole thing in the best manner and turn it into a plus for the company, as opposed to what can happen when news comes out at the most inopportune time.
Whenever I see people bashing anyone else for being "emo", my first impression of the basher is that they're antipathetic. It often seems to me that the most vocal people on the Internet are celebrating their antipathy and intolerance of each other. It's good to see when the tide has shifted on particular topics. I think the Internet, as a communications tool, has helped immensely in this way. Peer pressure and ridicule is actually a useful tool to pressure the antipathetic bigot into realizing society won't tolerate their bigotry.
I've been through the empathy-learning minority experience myself, despite being a privileged heterosexual white male, born into a middle class American family (I've since fallen through the cracks in the system, against my best efforts, settling into poverty and disability status, and seeing how many people suddenly treat me like I'm an unwanted and despised foreigner).
Now, if only more high profile people would come out of the closet on being atheist, so the rest of us can stop being demonized and reviled by the masses...
Reading through this thread and the earlier thread, my opinion on this is that it was good that Tim Cook came out and was open about his sexuality. I think it is good PR for him to get out in front of this and make it his statement, rather than waiting for the press to catch him in a candid moment and "out" him at a time of their bidding.
People keep on talking about a distraction, but if this is a distraction, what better time to take a break from the business - Apple just had a successful launch of a new generation of phones that are putting a huge dent in their competition; they have laid out the roadmap for current and future products; are entering a new lucrative market (ApplePay); and in almost every way are basking in the glow of success. Why not make the announcement now when things are good, rather than have it leak out at some point when Apple is under stress?
Being forthcoming to the media is something that more CEOs should be - it keeps the rumor mills from making up things and speculating on lifestyle issues. How many CEOs have been drawn through the muck for marital infidelities or prostitutes? How many have had to answer in the glaring spotlight about other personal matters at absolutely the wrong time. By coming out at a time of his choosing, Cook can spin the whole thing in the best manner and turn it into a plus for the company, as opposed to what can happen when news comes out at the most inopportune time.
But his being gay is not remotely equitable to marital infidelity. It's just who he is, that's all.
@rogifan I think they: 1- know each other 2- are friends.
I don't think Clinton knows you, does he?
Also, @auxio if you look up #gamergate on google, you'll find being a straight woman is grounds for discrimination.
Little white male rant coming up:
Actually, even being WHITE MALE is grounds for discrimination, like being a white male farmer in West Africa. Few are still there, most left losing everything. We humans aren't very good with not discriminating the local minorities. We're getting better, because after a few enlightened people, some of which of colour, in the USA and in France, back in the 18th century, brought that idea out that color did not matter, we started evolving the idea that all humans should be equal. However, we still have a tremendous way to go, towards all and each. If at least, like Tim Cook, we'd all admit how privileged we are, thanks to the sacrifice of others, we'd help out so much.
The best thing Cook expressed, IMO, is learning how other minorities feel. This is called empathy. That's the most important feature of the human race.
Whenever I see people bashing anyone else for being "emo", my first impression of the basher is that they're antipathetic. It often seems to me that the most vocal people on the Internet are celebrating their antipathy and intolerance of each other. It's good to see when the tide has shifted on particular topics. I think the Internet, as a communications tool, has helped immensely in this way. Peer pressure and ridicule is actually a useful tool to pressure the antipathetic bigot into realizing society won't tolerate their bigotry.
I've been through the empathy-learning minority experience myself, despite being a privileged heterosexual white male, born into a middle class American family (I've since fallen through the cracks in the system, against my best efforts, settling into poverty and disability status, and seeing how many people suddenly treat me like I'm an unwanted and despised foreigner).
Now, if only more high profile people would come out of the closet on being atheist, so the rest of us can stop being demonized and reviled by the masses...
OK, I actually know for a fact that Richard Branson is an atheist. Wikipedia sez so.