This morning I was thinking about my pet peeves with AI and at the top of the list was the obsession with using the word "bespoke." I never see that word anywhere else, and it's slipped in at every opportunity here. And right one cue: "Apple also revealed that the bespoke system font on the Apple Watch."
Also, the description of Dynamic Type in this article is off. It refers to the Apple's system for accommodating device-wide font size preference. If the user chooses to use larger or smaller than normal fonts, every application that uses Dynamic Type will update its UI in response. This is much more powerful than "size to fit" as the article implies.
Ive uses 'bespoke' frequently, especially about the Watch.
Helvetica is very rounded, which is quite friendly. The text you read online, even in this forum is Arial, which is very similar to Helvetica. If you didn't have Arial installed, it would actually use Helvetica instead. Most of the internet is in a font similar to the one in Yosemite.
San Francisco is probably based on Helvetica too, they just adjust the weighting and kerning.
Lucida Grande in the old OS is unbalanced.
If you look at the letter spacing in the word 'help' at the top, you can see that the 'e' and 'p' look too far away from the lower case 'L'. With Helvetica at the bottom (middle is Helvetica light), the characters get pulled in. That spacing is consistent across the whole line of characters. If you look at the 'e' characters, you can see they are closer to circular, that roundness is less formal.
They could have gone the route of matching it to their product print, which is a Myriad font but this is a bit more formal and is the style Microsoft uses. Lucida Grande is in that class but it matches Microsoft more than it does Apple - Microsoft is made up of more boring corporate type people.
Lucida Grande
Microsoft's Segoe like the Myriad Apple uses on products
Helvetica - wider, more rounded characters
Lucida had to go whatever route they went, it was far too messy and I think Helvetica matches well with Apple as a company.
Those 'g's are so weird. Why can't they look a bit more like a normal, handwritten one?
This morning I was thinking about my pet peeves with AI and at the top of the list was the obsession with using the word "bespoke." I never see that word anywhere else, and it's slipped in at every opportunity here. And right one cue: "Apple also revealed that the bespoke system font on the Apple Watch."
Also, the description of Dynamic Type in this article is off. It refers to the Apple's system for accommodating device-wide font size preference. If the user chooses to use larger or smaller than normal fonts, every application that uses Dynamic Type will update its UI in response. This is much more powerful than "size to fit" as the article implies.
"Bespoke "is a common English usage which for many consumers implies a far more classy, sophisticated and desirable product implying perfection rather than something merely "Custom-made", "made to order", "made to measure”. For example, if you want the very best of suits you would buy a “Bespoke” suit in Saville Row, which will normally takes weeks of fittings to achieve perfection. . Purdey produce the finest traditional “bespoke” and ridiculously expensive shot guns which become family heirlooms passed from generation to generation. Rolls Royce pride themselves in making “Bespoke” cars for caring and discerning customers.
BTW, I am quite surprised that anybody should actually go around thinking about“pet peeves” with AI or anything else - a bit sad that such a "peeve” would be about the use of a particular word, especially as it is so redolent with apt meaning for Apple’s carefully designed and manufactured products.
Then Ben Thompson is an idiot. Anyone with any long term insight would be able to ascertain that an SDK is critical for long term health, adoption, support, and success. But clearly he wasn't thinking as big as Apple.
Which is probably why Ben Thompson no longer works at Apple and earns far less compensation (salary, benefits) as a tech writer than if he had managed to work his way into Apple product marketing.
If one enjoys his writing, that's great, but don't count on him for any thoughtful insight into the company's actions.
I watched MacBreak Weekly and boy does Andy Ihnatko seem negative on ?Watch. Rene Richie, Alex Lindsay and even Leo were quite excited by the possibilities but Andy was just do and gloom and praising Moto Almost 360. He also claimed Apple employees are using the 360 and really like it. The doom and gloom just annoyed me. It was like because he couldn't see use case or possibilities that means they don't exist. My guess is Apple has more up their sleeves than a remote display for notifications.
How did you calculate that? Some MacRumors posters calculated it at around 320 ppi.
I did much math. I m not sure about the exact diagonal. I calculated it around 1.8 inches. The problem is that we don't know exact aspect ratio. It is not 4:3 exactly. As the article say it is difficult to calculate the density for now. But it is 240-245 PPI. I m always talking for the small model only
I watched MacBreak Weekly and boy does Andy Ihnatko seem negative on ?Watch. Rene Richie, Alex Lindsay and even Leo were quite excited by the possibilities but Andy was just do and gloom and praising Moto Almost 360. He also claimed Apple employees are using the 360 and really like it. The doom and gloom just annoyed me. It was like because he couldn't see use case or possibilities that means they don't exist. My guess is Apple has more up their sleeves than a remote display for notifications.
It's kind of like reading AppleInsider forums. The knee-jerk "but but but Android" never gets old. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
This morning I was thinking about my pet peeves with AI and at the top of the list was the obsession with using the word "bespoke." I never see that word anywhere else, and it's slipped in at every opportunity here. And right one cue: "Apple also revealed that the bespoke system font on the Apple Watch."
I love it when people with limited vocabularies bristle at those of us that enjoy/ are proficient with language. Perhaps you should try using an online dictionary or thesaurus once in a while.
There's nothing wrong with using "bespoke"! It is in common use in the design professions, where it means "designed to suit", rather than using something "off the shelf". This is identical to its original use in tailoring and dressmaking, so it has a useful specificity without requiring people to learn some new jargon. Also, using it once every week or two is hardly overuse of such a useful term. Well done AI, keep up your high journalistic standards!
It'll just make samsung gear fans lust for larger and larger watches until they are six inches across and look like a Galaxy Note 4 strapped to your forearm. Then, and only then will the circle of wearable stupidity be complete.
I wish that was available for pre-Yosemite Mac OS X.
I may still try it and see how it does...it's only a reinstall, right?
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I love it when people with limited vocabularies bristle at those of us that enjoy/ are proficient with language. Perhaps you should try using an online dictionary or thesaurus once in a while.
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I really like this font. Nice job Apple.
agree. They will sell 20 million watches with that font
I see you've cut your prediction from 50 million to 20 million in the space of one day.
I look forward to your prediction of 5 million tomorrow.
This morning I was thinking about my pet peeves with AI and at the top of the list was the obsession with using the word "bespoke." I never see that word anywhere else, and it's slipped in at every opportunity here. And right one cue: "Apple also revealed that the bespoke system font on the Apple Watch."
Also, the description of Dynamic Type in this article is off. It refers to the Apple's system for accommodating device-wide font size preference. If the user chooses to use larger or smaller than normal fonts, every application that uses Dynamic Type will update its UI in response. This is much more powerful than "size to fit" as the article implies.
Ive uses 'bespoke' frequently, especially about the Watch.
He does. It’s a custom of his.
That San Francisco font looks nice. Don't know about you guys but I think it looks nicer than the font they use on Yosemite.
The text on Apple's description page is Helvetica, the screenshot images will show San Francisco:
https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/WatchHumanInterfaceGuidelines/ColorandTypography.html
Helvetica is very rounded, which is quite friendly. The text you read online, even in this forum is Arial, which is very similar to Helvetica. If you didn't have Arial installed, it would actually use Helvetica instead. Most of the internet is in a font similar to the one in Yosemite.
San Francisco is probably based on Helvetica too, they just adjust the weighting and kerning.
Lucida Grande in the old OS is unbalanced.
If you look at the letter spacing in the word 'help' at the top, you can see that the 'e' and 'p' look too far away from the lower case 'L'. With Helvetica at the bottom (middle is Helvetica light), the characters get pulled in. That spacing is consistent across the whole line of characters. If you look at the 'e' characters, you can see they are closer to circular, that roundness is less formal.
They could have gone the route of matching it to their product print, which is a Myriad font but this is a bit more formal and is the style Microsoft uses. Lucida Grande is in that class but it matches Microsoft more than it does Apple - Microsoft is made up of more boring corporate type people.
Lucida Grande
Microsoft's Segoe like the Myriad Apple uses on products
Helvetica - wider, more rounded characters
Lucida had to go whatever route they went, it was far too messy and I think Helvetica matches well with Apple as a company.
Those 'g's are so weird. Why can't they look a bit more like a normal, handwritten one?
That's because he's British! It's much more prevalent in British English. According to the OED, it's been used in this way since 1607.
Doesn't mean Americans can't use it. Heck, I use aluminium in both pronunciation and spelling. Aluminum makes you sound like you're slurring the word.
Good for you.
This morning I was thinking about my pet peeves with AI and at the top of the list was the obsession with using the word "bespoke." I never see that word anywhere else, and it's slipped in at every opportunity here. And right one cue: "Apple also revealed that the bespoke system font on the Apple Watch."
Also, the description of Dynamic Type in this article is off. It refers to the Apple's system for accommodating device-wide font size preference. If the user chooses to use larger or smaller than normal fonts, every application that uses Dynamic Type will update its UI in response. This is much more powerful than "size to fit" as the article implies.
"Bespoke "is a common English usage which for many consumers implies a far more classy, sophisticated and desirable product implying perfection rather than something merely "Custom-made", "made to order", "made to measure”. For example, if you want the very best of suits you would buy a “Bespoke” suit in Saville Row, which will normally takes weeks of fittings to achieve perfection. . Purdey produce the finest traditional “bespoke” and ridiculously expensive shot guns which become family heirlooms passed from generation to generation. Rolls Royce pride themselves in making “Bespoke” cars for caring and discerning customers.
BTW, I am quite surprised that anybody should actually go around thinking about “pet peeves” with AI or anything else - a bit sad that such a "peeve” would be about the use of a particular word, especially as it is so redolent with apt meaning for Apple’s carefully designed and manufactured products.
Then Ben Thompson is an idiot. Anyone with any long term insight would be able to ascertain that an SDK is critical for long term health, adoption, support, and success. But clearly he wasn't thinking as big as Apple.
Which is probably why Ben Thompson no longer works at Apple and earns far less compensation (salary, benefits) as a tech writer than if he had managed to work his way into Apple product marketing.
If one enjoys his writing, that's great, but don't count on him for any thoughtful insight into the company's actions.
How did you calculate that? Some MacRumors posters calculated it at around 320 ppi.
I did much math. I m not sure about the exact diagonal. I calculated it around 1.8 inches. The problem is that we don't know exact aspect ratio. It is not 4:3 exactly. As the article say it is difficult to calculate the density for now. But it is 240-245 PPI. I m always talking for the small model only
I watched MacBreak Weekly and boy does Andy Ihnatko seem negative on ?Watch. Rene Richie, Alex Lindsay and even Leo were quite excited by the possibilities but Andy was just do and gloom and praising Moto Almost 360. He also claimed Apple employees are using the 360 and really like it. The doom and gloom just annoyed me. It was like because he couldn't see use case or possibilities that means they don't exist. My guess is Apple has more up their sleeves than a remote display for notifications.
It's kind of like reading AppleInsider forums. The knee-jerk "but but but Android" never gets old.
It's so annoying to have somebody piss all over something they've never even used.
Some of you guys might be interested in this tweak, for shits and giggles if for nothing else:
https://github.com/wellsriley/YosemiteSanFranciscoFont
I watched MacBreak Weekly and boy does Andy Ihnatko seem negative on ?Watch.
Impressive side burns, it has to be said.
Ive uses 'bespoke' frequently, especially about the Watch.
The Brits use 'bespoke' a lot.
I love it when people with limited vocabularies bristle at those of us that enjoy/ are proficient with language. Perhaps you should try using an online dictionary or thesaurus once in a while.
Assuming the images are accurate, the PPI is around 320–330 DPI, not 241. Just to show how that figure is arrived at, here is the work:
I believe cicconogreek was calculating off the case height rather than the display height, as that gives 240 DPI.
Circle Of Wearable Stupidity
Bovine thinking indeed:D
Some of you guys might be interested in this tweak
https://github.com/wellsriley/YosemiteSanFranciscoFont
I wish that was available for pre-Yosemite Mac OS X.
I may still try it and see how it does...it's only a reinstall, right?
I love it when people with limited vocabularies bristle at those of us that enjoy/ are proficient with language. Perhaps you should try using an online dictionary or thesaurus once in a while.
Exactly.