Apple's iTunes to air Star Wars: The Force Awakens trailer on Friday

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  • Reply 81 of 109

    HERE we go. THIS is more like it.

     

     

    NOW it’s a practical weapon.

  • Reply 82 of 109

    Absolutely terrible - it would have been better to just launch the movie without any such "teaser"...

  • Reply 83 of 109
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    Hoth was outside the habitable zone for anything;


  • Reply 84 of 109
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    Woooohooooo!



    I'll have this looping for the entire day.



    Loving the John Williams work in the background also.

     

     

    Good music. Finishing on the dominant keeps us in suspense.

  • Reply 85 of 109
    crowley wrote: »
    This is more like it:
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    Edit: there's an inside joke about the Island of Misfit Toys in that photo: he's holding up a Windows Phone ;)
  • Reply 86 of 109
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    This is more like it:


     

     

    Or this:

     

  • Reply 87 of 109
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,335moderator

    The midichlorians sub-plot was a giant error.

    It definitely cheapened The Force into a mere medical condition.

    I think it did the opposite. Without it being genetic, anyone could become a powerful Jedi or Sith. This way, it makes it like royalty where it would follow the bloodline.

    Sure it would make people feel better that if they just tried hard enough they could become the most powerful Jedi/Sith but what kind of lie is that to tell young children?

    It's used as an explanation for the life-force. Nobody knows what causes life to happen. Give any biologist in the world a dead body and they have no way to bring it back to life. By infusing blood with a high midi-chlorian count, they can bring people to life or heal injured people. It explains why Yoda lived to be 900. It explains why Luke was attracted to his sister. It explains the importance of Vader and Luke being father and son.

    Now perhaps they can suggest that midi-chlorian count can be increased with a healthy diet, regular exercise and so on and that if two healthy people get together, their kids will have a higher count than usual but for it to simply be learned completely diminishes the importance of the Skywalker family ties. It could have been anyone going up against Vader. But no, Skywalker was their only hope (besides his sister). They wouldn't have said Luke was their only hope if anyone could do it.

    The concept is pretty important to the whole Star Wars universe, I think it'll be sticking around and will probably explain events in the new one. The new lightsaber could represent a sword of a knight:

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    A knight of the old republic who has either survived a long time by eating the hearts of slain Jedi or been resurrected from the dead.
  • Reply 88 of 109
    Marvin wrote: »
    I think it did the opposite. Without it being genetic, anyone could become a powerful Jedi or Sith. This way, it makes it like royalty where it would follow the bloodline.

    Sure it would make people feel better that if they just tried hard enough they could become the most powerful Jedi/Sith but what kind of lie is that to tell young children?

    It's used as an explanation for the life-force. Nobody knows what causes life to happen. Give any biologist in the world a dead body and they have no way to bring it back to life. By infusing blood with a high midi-chlorian count, they can bring people to life or heal injured people. It explains why Yoda lived to be 900. It explains why Luke was attracted to his sister. It explains the importance of Vader and Luke being father and son.

    Now perhaps they can suggest that midi-chlorian count can be increased with a healthy diet, regular exercise and so on and that if two healthy people get together, their kids will have a higher count than usual but for it to simply be learned completely diminishes the importance of the Skywalker family ties. It could have been anyone going up against Vader. But no, Skywalker was their only hope (besides his sister). They wouldn't have said Luke was their only hope if anyone could do it.

    That leads to:

    1. Clone Anakin Skywalker for the ultimate Sith army
    2. Blood transfusion = magic Force powerup
    3. Grow The Force in a Petri dish!
    4. A blood test to measure your midi-chlorian count!

    It's not about making younglings feel good about themselves. Artistically, Lucas diminished the mythical and mysterious aspects of The Force by offering a medical pathology for it. That's all I am saying. Star Wars was just fine without this explanation.
  • Reply 89 of 109
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
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    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post



    It explains why Luke was attracted to his sister.

    Ban this Force filth!

  • Reply 90 of 109
    That leads to:

    1. Clone Anakin Skywalker for the ultimate Sith army
    2. Blood transfusion = magic Force powerup
    3. Grow The Force in a Petri dish!
    4. A blood test to measure your midi-chlorian count!

    It's not about making younglings feel good about themselves. Artistically, Lucas diminished the mythical and mysterious aspects of The Force by offering a medical pathology for it. That's all I am saying. Star Wars was just fine without this explanation.

    According to Zahn's books for Episodes VII, VIII, IX (presumably others) you can't fast clone people because the Force connection all of us messes with the mind and they go crazy. Especially Jedi. The solution is to use Ysalamir next to the clone which have a natural Force-blocking aspect to their physiology.

    At least, that's how I recall it.
  • Reply 91 of 109
    Originally Posted by SolipsismY View Post

    ...you can’t fast clone people...

     

    So the Republic’s clones must have been pretty insane, right? Given the Kamino...ans... doubled their growth rate? Then again, not canon, so.

  • Reply 92 of 109
    solipsismy wrote: »
    According to Zahn's books for Episodes VII, VIII, IX (presumably others) you can't fast clone people because the Force connection all of us messes with the mind and they go crazy. Especially Jedi. The solution is to use Ysalamir next to the clone which have a natural Force-blocking aspect to their physiology.

    At least, that's how I recall it.

    Apocryphal! New Republic scientists just need to extract midi-chlorians and BAM! Instant Jedi!
  • Reply 93 of 109
    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

    Apocryphal! New Republic scientists just need to extract midi-chlorians and BAM! Instant Jedi!

     

    Well, instant Force-sensitives. Being a “Jedi” is where the training comes in.

  • Reply 94 of 109

    RING-ing-ing-ing-ing-ing-ing...

  • Reply 95 of 109
    solipsismy wrote: »
    That leads to:

    1. Clone Anakin Skywalker for the ultimate Sith army
    2. Blood transfusion = magic Force powerup
    3. Grow The Force in a Petri dish!
    4. A blood test to measure your midi-chlorian count!

    It's not about making younglings feel good about themselves. Artistically, Lucas diminished the mythical and mysterious aspects of The Force by offering a medical pathology for it. That's all I am saying. Star Wars was just fine without this explanation.

    According to Zahn's books for Episodes VII, VIII, IX (presumably others) you can't fast clone people because the Force connection all of us messes with the mind and they go crazy. Especially Jedi. The solution is to use Ysalamir next to the clone which have a natural Force-blocking aspect to their physiology.

    At least, that's how I recall it.
    All fiction post return is now non-canon.
  • Reply 96 of 109
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,335moderator
    That leads to:

    1. Clone Anakin Skywalker for the ultimate Sith army
    2. Blood transfusion = magic Force powerup
    3. Grow The Force in a Petri dish!
    4. A blood test to measure your midi-chlorian count!

    1-3. Not quite, you still need a connection to it. A blood transfusion also doesn't transfer the higher count to the rest of the body's parts - they are in every living cell, not just blood cells. It might not be possible to clone midi-chlorians safely.
    4. Yes, a blood test is how they test for it:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian

    "Midi-chlorian counts were measured through a blood test; the Jedi used this method to locate Force-sensitive children before their Order was purged by the Galactic Empire."

    Midi-chlorians are not the Force itself but the means to connect to it but this technique has to be learned.
    Artistically, Lucas diminished the mythical and mysterious aspects of The Force by offering a medical pathology for it. That's all I am saying. Star Wars was just fine without this explanation.
    crowley wrote:
    Ban this Force filth!

    You just interpreted the originals wrongly:


    [VIDEO]


    Feeling the presence of people with high counts and telepathy between them, Leia realising she has the same power as Luke but needs to learn to use it. Listen to the line 'the Force is strong in my family'. Somehow, Leia always knew.

    The genetic explanation is required for Leia to be like this with no training, it wasn't an afterthought:

    ""It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."
    - George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977"
  • Reply 97 of 109
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    2. Another interpretation is that it's the New Republic Navy. The stormtrooper in the trailer is too young to be an Imperial remnant -- he probably wasn't born until after the Battle of Endor. Also, the stormtroopers' are sporting clean, upgraded battle armor, rather than something left over from the Empire.

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    Hopefully the armor actually protect the person and can take more than one blaster shot.
  • Reply 98 of 109
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

    ""It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."

    - George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977"



    He said ‘midichlorians’ in 1977? Source.

  • Reply 99 of 109
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,335moderator
    ""It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."

    - George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977"

    He said ‘midichlorians’ in 1977? Source.

    It was in the link above:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#Origins
    which links to this book:
    http://www.amazon.com/Making-Star-Wars-Definitive-Original/dp/0345494768

    and here:
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=z7GbBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT73

    "If you dig deep enough into the Lucasfilm archives, you'll find Lucas talking about midi-chlorians as early as August 1977... he said it during a role-playing exercise designed to help him flesh out Star Wars concepts after the original movie"
  • Reply 100 of 109
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    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post





    I think it did the opposite. Without it being genetic, anyone could become a powerful Jedi or Sith. This way, it makes it like royalty where it would follow the bloodline.



    Sure it would make people feel better that if they just tried hard enough they could become the most powerful Jedi/Sith but what kind of lie is that to tell young children?



    It's used as an explanation for the life-force. Nobody knows what causes life to happen. Give any biologist in the world a dead body and they have no way to bring it back to life. By infusing blood with a high midi-chlorian count, they can bring people to life or heal injured people. It explains why Yoda lived to be 900. It explains why Luke was attracted to his sister. It explains the importance of Vader and Luke being father and son.



    Now perhaps they can suggest that midi-chlorian count can be increased with a healthy diet, regular exercise and so on and that if two healthy people get together, their kids will have a higher count than usual but for it to simply be learned completely diminishes the importance of the Skywalker family ties. It could have been anyone going up against Vader. But no, Skywalker was their only hope (besides his sister). They wouldn't have said Luke was their only hope if anyone could do it.



    The concept is pretty important to the whole Star Wars universe, I think it'll be sticking around and will probably explain events in the new one. The new lightsaber could represent a sword of a knight:







    A knight of the old republic who has either survived a long time by eating the hearts of slain Jedi or been resurrected from the dead.

     

    Marvin, Lucas violated his own stated reason for creating Star Wars when he did that. He wanted to create a movie for 12-year old boys. That's exactly what he said and I remember him saying that like it was yesterday. By introducing the needless genetic issue of midichlorians to the Jedi, he instantly destroyed the mythology. He was probably trying to introduce a pseudo-scientific reason to explain how the Jedi order had abandoned their mystical beliefs and become corrupted internally instead of relying on their intuitive and developed abilities.

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