Google's Nexus 6 abandoned fingerprint sensor after failed attempt to catch up with Apple's Touch ID

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  • Reply 61 of 93
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    ...iPhone prototypes that looked vastly different from the final product.

     

    None of which were ever intended for release...

  • Reply 62 of 93

    The article and comments pretty much show that Apple fans are a pretty insecure lot.  I thought Apple fans didn't obsess over Android until I saw this.

     

    Guys, there are no extremes.  Apple has borrowed Android's best ideas.  Android has borrowed Apple's.  That's the way of the world.  Apple has an advantage with Touch ID because of the full control over all the hardware and software, which is a big plus (and also a minus from a 3rd party development standpoint).  So yes, they have an advantage in this particular area.  But what they do NOT have is sufficient marketshare to make everyone in the world take Apple Pay exclusively.  By forgoing any kind of cooperation or standard, it means that retailers, banks, etc. will have to adopt multiple standards.  It's not realistic that every phone owner in the world is going to switch to Apple.  It's also not realistic to see Apple pushing for Apple Pay as a cross-platform standard, so we'll end up with at least 2 systems being mainstreamed.

  • Reply 63 of 93
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    The corporate software I use allows the use of Touch ID on my iPhone, it doesn't for the Galaxy S5 they have to use a pattern or passcode.

     

    Result = whine, whine, whine.

  • Reply 64 of 93
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    None of which were ever intended for release...

    And you know this how? And how do you know that Google ever intended to release that phone?
  • Reply 65 of 93
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

    And you know this how? And how do you know that Google ever intended to release that phone?



    As stated before, by its creator’s own admission.

  • Reply 66 of 93
    I was wondering if anyone else would attempt to enter this space. It's obviously more challenging than anyone had expected.

    Samsung has a fingerprint scanner... but its implementation isn't so great.

    HTC has one too. But they put it on the back of the phone!?!?!? :no:

    And Motorola... they just gave up.

    Maybe they'll all get their acts together next year.

    I'll still be enjoying TouchID on an iPhone though :D
    It seems to be that Htc is the only with a good ideal with it, on the back.
    rezwits wrote: »
    I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...
    Its still interesting how they don't have it, But but Skype.
  • Reply 67 of 93
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    Its still interesting how they don't have it, But but Skype.

    How they don't have what? FaceTime or an equivalent?
  • Reply 68 of 93
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member

    As stated before, by its creator’s own admission.

    Oh yeah
  • Reply 69 of 93
    hill60 wrote: »
    The corporate software I use allows the use of Touch ID on my iPhone, it doesn't for the Galaxy S5 they have to use a pattern or passcode.

    Result = whine, whine, whine.

    Not red, red, whine?
  • Reply 70 of 93
    fallenjt wrote: »
    Simple.

    Just don't set your thumb. Use another finger.
    And that kills the purpose of one hand use...sucks to use fingers from other hand just to unlock the damn phone.

    Fair enough.

    I was thinking of the iPad.
  • Reply 71 of 93
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    Not red, red, whine?

    Hard, or soft cheese?
  • Reply 72 of 93
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    Originally Posted by rezwits View Post



    I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...



    From a work site in a remote town way back in  2010, I was FaceTime calling my family who were at home. I could FaceTime the any of the iPads, iPods, MacBook pro or iMacs at home. It is typical ? tough to follow innovation, and obviously adenoid can't catch or even keep up. 

  • Reply 73 of 93
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Not red, red, whine?

    Hard, or soft cheese?

    Lol! Humble pie.
  • Reply 74 of 93
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/183816/googles-nexus-6-abandoned-fingerprint-sensor-after-failed-attempt-to-catch-up-with-apples-touch-id#post_2649997" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>rezwits</strong> <a href="/t/183816/googles-nexus-6-abandoned-fingerprint-sensor-after-failed-attempt-to-catch-up-with-apples-touch-id#post_2649997"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...</div></div><p><br /><span style="line-height:22.399999618530273px">From a work site in a remote town way back in  2010, </span>I was FaceTime calling my family who were at home. I could FaceTime the any of the iPads, iPods, MacBook pro or iMacs at home. It is typical ? tough to follow innovation, and obviously adenoid can't catch or even keep up. </p>
    Video calling over WiFi isn't what I would call innovation.
  • Reply 75 of 93
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    Originally Posted by singularity View Post





    Video calling over WiFi isn't what I would call innovation.

    What would you consider innovation, then? 

    I know what i would call bull shit...

  • Reply 76 of 93

    This article is making a lot of assumptions on one small commit and has a lot of facts wrong...and references an article that also has a bad comparison for mobile GPU comparisons.

     

    For instance, the author talks up Apples success with 64-bit by saying Android is still struggling to deliver the first 64-bit chip, then goes to mention the K1 from Nvidia having "disappointing" performance and mentions it in the Nvidia shield. Thing is, the K1 in the Shield, is ARMv7, so this isn't even relevant. The Nexus 9 has the K1 chip that is ARMv8 is what should be compared to. The reason it wasn't, is because the K1 in the Nexus 9 has performance beyond that in the Apple A series chip, not just overall having 4 CPUs, but even in single threaded tests it outperforms the A8.

     

    Then there is the reference to an article stating that the iPhone 6/6+ have better performance than the Nexus 6 and similar Android phones. Funny thing is the charts actually show that the Qualcomm chip performs as well as Apple's latest, so I would not call the upcoming 810 chip to compete against the A8 as that chip is already shipping and has been before the A8.

     

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    Originally Posted by ECats View Post



    It's a funny world where a manufacturer will rubbish a competitors product while secretly rushing to copy it.



    Indeed, the saddest part of the image shown isn't even the crappy finger print reader that is both trickier than entering a passcode and designed in such a way that it needs two hands to operate. Rather it's the subtle copying of the icon and position of the fast-access to the camera feature. What a perfect summary: A familiarly placed icon, taking the user to a familiar looking camera app, with even a familiar looking camera button.



    There are simply so many ways to do this, that it boggles my mind why they'd be so thoughtless to not even try a unique, or possibly better implementation. It shows that they're not willing to put in even a minuscule amount of thought into their flagship product.

     

    That camera icon started on the Galaxy S4, 6 months before Apple released iOS7 with it. Stock Android had the quick slide to the camera from the lock screen with the release of Android 4.2 in November 2012.

     

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    Originally Posted by ifij775 View Post



    Check...and...mate. I wonder if Android will solve this in 5 years.

     

     

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    Originally Posted by fallenjt View Post



    But but Android phones have octa-core chip, lol...I can see how Fandroids miss this feature so much. It's been 2 years and Android have not caught up yet on finger print scanner and 64- b Chips.

    I expect Sog35 to make bold comment in the morning on this subject.

    I don't even remember when was the last time I use 4-digital code to unlock my phone. The dam TouchID works ridiculously well every day every time. To Fandroids, I'll check back with you on this in 2 years.

     

    2 years? Apple has had TouchID for little over 1 year. I'd say we have another 3-4 until you can really justify this point as there are many cases of things Android or Android manufacturers (or both) implemented long before Apple examples being NFC and NFC payments.

     

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    Originally Posted by Disturbia View Post

     

    As I always say, google SUCKS A$$ doing anything except stealing people's online activities and selling Ads ....

     

    Yup! google team of dumb morons are finally learning that copying software is a lot easier than hardware ... and now they are stuck to keep up! :smokey:


     

    Wow, this is just a ridiculous statement as Google was just rated the #1 place to work and its where all the best of the best want to go. And what is the rant about copy hardware? Google doesn't touch the hardware and haven't ever. What's your point?

     

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    Originally Posted by Jared Porter View Post

     

    Apple's going to roll ahead into the future of secure payments both online and offline with its fingerprint ID and secure enclave enabled by its mastery of 64-bit processing power.  In the fall of next year when retailers will practically be forced to install NFC POS readers, IF Apple can show there have been NO HACKS of ApplePay, after billions of transactions, Samsung/Android will be scrambling if not lost.


     

    If a merchant supports Apple Pay, it works with any other NFC payment system, so SoftPay and Google Wallet would work as well. It would be a win for everyone. Difference being that Android, you can choose what system you want to use (well, except Apple Pay) where on iOS, you are limited to Apple Pay, but that could change next year when they open NFC like they did with TouchID.

     

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    Originally Posted by rezwits View Post



    I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...

     

    Clearly you've never used Google Hangouts...or Skype, which offer more...more platforms/devices...more people in the video sessions...etc...

     

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    I haven't used TouchID myself but it does appear to work well and quickly and I see why it is well liked. That feature alone though isn't enough to say that iPhone/iOS is the best and Android/Android Manufacturer suck because they don't have it.

     

    Mac laptops have had for 10 years the magsafe connector, and although sweet, alone isn't enough to convert buyers.

     

    Apple also controlling both the OS and phone, will purposefully limit you to convince you to upgrade. Example being there latest features in iOS8, VoLTE and WiFi calling. The iPhones back to the 5 all have the hardware for VoLTE, but only the latest gen got it. Not shocking, but okay. Wifi Calling, the 5S got it as did the 5C...but not the 5, even though its the same hardware as the 5C...and the 5 had Wifi calling in the Beta release. Clearly they removed it for marketing reasons. Apple--.

     

    There are many nice features to iOS, but there plenty of limitations as well and the same goes for Android. Each have their specialties and depending on your needs/desires/wealth depends on which is most suitable for you.

     

    Myself I have currently an iPhone 5 on Verizon. It works, but I find many issues where it could use improvement in iOS to match what Android has had for years.

     

    Questions is, with all the carriers moving away from contracts, and people seeing the true price of phones they are buying, are people going to keep buying $650+ phones every 2 years? Some will, yes, but there are going to be plenty who will say that they don't need that and make certain compromises to get a $300-$400 device instead. The midrange market will grow huge in the upcoming 2 years, and I don't see Apple being able to compete there.

  • Reply 77 of 93
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    Originally Posted by fallenjt View Post





    Conference FaceTime will come.

     

    And be available to only the latest iPhone/iPad devices...

     

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Particularly with H.265 doing amazing things with the bitrate.

     



    Ask your handlers for the updated talking points sheet, please. It’s not 2010 anymore.


     

    Why do you have to wait for H.265? Hangouts works right now with 10 people, on iOS or Android, Windows, Mac or Linux.

  • Reply 78 of 93
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,057member
    fallenjt wrote: »
    The entire Android is iOS copy to begin with. What r u talking about?
    "entire" - that's not a fair criticism.
    they also stole from Java.
  • Reply 79 of 93
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,319member
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    That first phone never existed. Say what you may about Google, but they were smart enough to see that Apple was on to something, and changed their plan accordingly. The ones that reacted late are dead, or dying.
    More accurately that first phone was never available for sale. It did exist tho even if its only purpose was as a demo platform for the first public reveal of Android in November of 2007
  • Reply 80 of 93
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    gatorguy wrote: »
    More accurately that first phone was never available for sale. It did exist tho even if its only purpose was as a demo platform for the first public reveal of Android in November of 2007

    Thanks, and welcome back.
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